Still Petulant After All These Years

The other shoe still has yet to drop. But Janet Daley makes a good point:

Everybody is talking about learning political lessons – and then going on to say exactly the same thing they were saying before the Great Earthquake of Election Day 2014. The Tories are promising that they will “learn the lesson” about disenfranchised Conservative voters who now feel that only Nigel Farage speaks for them. Then they proceed to rule out the possibility of any pact with Ukip. Labour will “learn the lesson” about how angry people feel over the loss of national power (and control of our borders) to Brussels. Then they refuse to contemplate a referendum on EU membership.

The Liberal Democrats are slightly different in that the lesson they claim to have learnt is that their support for Tory measures in the Coalition has cost them the trust of voters. So they propose to move further to the Left – which is exactly the wrong direction. If there is any real lesson to be learnt from this tumultuous electoral event it is that the party of protest is now on the Right rather than on the Left.

That means that the precious centre ground of politics, on which all elections are said to be won, has moved. The Westminster establishment, from which the country is so famously alienated, is now seen as uniformly Left-liberal. All the major parties, along with most of their media friends, are regarded by much of the electorate as members of an insular, mutually affirming coterie who regard any outside voice as risible or dangerous.

The UK centre ground has shifted to the right. And as a result the three main parties are all being seen as progressive-left-liberal. They’re all Politically Correct.

I should know. I’ve shifted rightward myself. And I look set to carry on moving that way.

I was writing a few days back how, when I first heard of Political Correctness back in the 1980s, I discovered that I already had the full set of politically correct attitudes to more or less everything.

But now I want to be politically incorrect. I think political correctness is a prison. I think it was something that was always only ever enforced by the threat of social exclusion.

And what else are smoking bans but the social exclusion of smokers? The bans are intended to teach them a lesson: that smoking is something that’s now socially unacceptable.

I hate that word: “unacceptable”. I hate the smug self-satisfaction underlying it.

I don’t care if smoking is “unacceptable” to some people. Because, guess what, I don’t want to know people who find smoking unacceptable. I don’t want to know people who’re frightened of tobacco smoke. I don’t want to belong to their prim, uptight, judgmental society. I never did.

So screw all you pinch-faced puritans, I’m going to carry on smoking anyway. I don’t care whether it’s politically incorrect, or socially unacceptable, or even an Abomination in the Sight of the Lord. Because I don’t care any more.

And what’s refreshing about Nigel Farage is that, with his beer and cigarettes, he’s so darn politically incorrect. He breaks all the rules. After 40+ years of antismoking and anti-alcohol social conditioning , up jumps this joker, cocking a snook at all of their petty rules and regulations.

He’s capturing a new mood. And it’s a mood of deepening rejection of petty tyranny, and political correctness.

It’s coming up to the seventh anniversary of the UK smoking ban, and I was remembering today something that George Godber once said.

Need there really be any difficulty about prohibiting smoking in more public places? The nicotine addicts would be petulant for a while…

Godber seemed to think that the petulance would wear off, and smokers – or “nicotine addicts”, as he preferred to call them – would get used to a smoking ban.

But I never got used to it. And I never will. I’m still petulant after all these years. And if anything, I’m getting more and more petulant as the years go by.

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62 Responses to Still Petulant After All These Years

  1. Senzar says:

    Godber, is he dead? I presume so (actually I couldn’t give a fuck). So what has his crusade given him? What has he gained? Answer, fuck all. He’s dead.

    Same when Arnott is removed from this mortal coil. What has she gained? Fuck all. What has she achieved? Fuck all. She’s dead.

    Can anyone, off the top of their head name the American prohibitionists? US commenters not eligible! Can anyone name those pinched lipped, ugly (why are all anti this or that so fucking ugly? Is it a prerequisite for the role?) harridans who produced their, “Those whose lips have touched alcohol won’t touch mine”, flyers? I doubt it. And what did their lifelong aversion to partying get them? Fucking dead, is what.

    I really don’t give a flying fuck what anyone who is involved in tobacco control, smoking bans or any other of the roads they plan to traverse, says or writes. They would never, ever, say it to me on a one to one as I’d rip their gizzards out and had hang them by them.

    Meanwhile, I party like it’s 1999 all over again.

    Arnold, Bauld, Chapman et al have not got the guts, never had the guts to face down a smoker in his/her own domain. One of these days, in the not to distant future the crones will be knitting, as they cackle, as the heads roll.

    And now I’ve got to open the third bottle of red before the dawn surprises me with its sudden awakening.


    • Edgar says:

      “The boast of heraldry, the pomp of pow’r,
      And all that beauty, all that wealth e’er gave,
      Awaits alike th’inevitable hour.
      The paths of glory lead but to the grave.” — Thomas Gray.
      Anti-smokers are going to die like the rest of us. The difference being that they will die with the knowledge they devoted so much energy to a project doomed from the outset.

      • Barry Homan says:

        I agree. What do they really accomplish? A meal-ticket maybe, some form of job-security, until it’s time to abandon ship. Only a very few big players collect lots of undeserved wealth. In the end, their crusade accomplishes nada.

        And it is, as I’ve said before, the types of people who don’t get invited to the party who make up the majority of prohibitionists. Their loud claims and obstinance are basically just a tool they use to say: “For god’s sake, pay attention to me!!”

    • Rose says:

      Can anyone, off the top of their head name the American prohibitionists? US commenters not eligible!


      Wayne B. Wheeler: The Man Who Turned Off the Taps

      “Prohibition couldn’t have happened without Wheeler, who foisted temperance on a thirsty nation 90 years ago”

      J D Rockefeller

      LIQUOR: Gentlemanly Temperance

      “In the two decades before Prohibition, those lifelong teetotalers John D. Rockefeller Jr. and his father gave the Anti-Saloon League their stanch moral support and $350,323.67. When he declared for Repeal in 1932, Mr. Rockefeller by no means meant that he was quitting his long war on liquor. Having despaired at last of temperance by statute, he set his agents searching the world for other methods of attack.”

      “What the Council proposes to do is spend $100,000 or more per year in attempting to persuade U. S. citizens to drink like gentlemen, to acquire “an attitude of individual responsibility toward the use of liquor.”

      “Our messages will travel over the airwaves, reach the eye and ear through the screen and stage, and fashion public thought through advertising and other kinds of publicity.”,9171,755063,00.
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      Superintendent of the Department of Medical Temperance
      for the National Woman’s Christian Temperance Union

      Published by the


      What medical writers say.

      Know your enemy.

  2. jaxthefirst says:

    In other words, Frank, it’s the same old rubbish. Words, words, words; lies, lies, lies. The three main parties are now so utterly convinced by their own artificial rhetoric that they genuinely believe that a few soothing “there, there dear” words are all that’s needed to put an angry electorate back in their box so that they can continue with “business as usual.” I’m beginning to think that only a massive loss of power at the General Election, with the heads of all three party leaders (and most of their senior advisors) rolling as a consequence will be the only thing which will bring any of them to their senses. Don’t they realise that it’s exactly these sort of dismissive “I’m trying to sound sorry, but I don’t intend to do a thing to change,” kind of soundbites which are the very thing which has got people so thoroughly teed off with them in the first place???!

    In many ways, the likes of George Godber and his glib assumption that smokers will “get used to” being treated like dirt is symptomatic of the same mindset – someone who is so convinced that his own view of things must be right that he just can’t see reality any more. Because it’s a fact that people never, ever get used to being treated badly or unfairly. They may be forced (as smokers now are) to put up with it, but that’s not the same thing at all. Smokers will no more “get used to” the ban and its associated fallout than people living under the tyrannical regimes “get used to” that, or slaves “got used to” being bought and sold as the possessions of other people and forced under the threat of severe punishment to keep working, or the landed gentry “got used to” being taxed extortionately by the Monarch (hence the rise in power of Parliament – how ironic!)

    Those with power always have the means to use it to subjugate others – whether that’s an entire population or just one group of them (like smokers) – and historically they have always done so. But it’s a never-ending process, because the moment those on the receiving end see a chance – just one tiny, glimmer of a chance – to break that stranglehold of power, even if that glimmer is no more than a degree of complacency in those wielding it, they’ll seize it with both hands and cling on for dear life. That’s why smokers have been out in force, probably – although unpublicised – as much as the Eurosceptics have, voting for UKIP. And it’s why they will continue to vote for UKIP no matter how many slurs, insults and smear campaigns the powers-that-be throw at either UKIP or UKIP voters. For us, this is the only chance we’ve had in many years to get ourselves treated halfways decently again. It isn’t a certainty, I’m as aware of that as anyone, but it’s a chance. And we haven’t had one of those in a long, long time.

    And no amount of pointing fingers, mealy-mouthed criticisms or campaigns to dig-the-dirt can change that.

  3. Edgar says:

    Recently, a nurse told me that my blood-glucose levels were ‘unacceptable’. But she was wrong: I have no problem at all in accepting them. And that’s what the social engineers simply don’t understand. I am the final arbiter over my condition. I don’t know who owns my body when I am dead (and I don’t care), but I know who owns my body while I am alive. Those who say ‘Yes, but it is we who have to pay for your medical treatment’ commit the same logical fallacy as those who demand that people over seventy shouldn’t be allowed to drive. It is impossible to equalise everyone’s impact on social costs and so the selection of one group or another as a target for lowering the costs is arbitrary and often based on emotional, rather than analytic, criteria.

    • Marie says:

      Its not about health, its about money …

    • nisakiman says:

      …the same logical fallacy as those who demand that people over seventy shouldn’t be allowed to drive.

      My father was still driving when he was 94. He was one of the first people to take the just-introduced driving test (about 1936, I think) and never had an accident, nor lost a point on his licence.

    • P. Ondrin says:

      I don’t know who owns my body when I am dead (and I don’t care), but I know who owns my body while I am alive.

      Clearly you don’t live in Wales, where the Welsh Assembly owns you body when you are dead.

      • Edgar says:

        So, the Welsh Assembly owns one hundred million, or more, corpses of the Welsh people who have died over the centuries? I’m very relieved to hear that. Perhaps a few can be installed in the Assembly to liven the place up a bit.

  4. smokervoter says:

    Not one single solitary article mentioned smokers flocking to vote for UKIP with the prospect of a loosening of the suffocating chokehold the powers that be have them in.

    This is unprecedented as far as I can see. Even the untouchable Dalit caste in India eventually got media coverage and word gradually spread and now they’ve got a modicum of political justice if I’m not mistaken.

    The formation of a protective voting bloc is a natural political phenomenon. Why it’s never even whispered about in the mass media
    is very suspect. One might surmise that our potential to radically shake things up strikes fear in some mighty powerful circles. The fact that even Farage himself never dares float the proposition is baffling to me.

    We have been very effectively ‘disappeared’. Perhaps we should stand around in the public square with pictures of ourselves with a cig dangling from our the lips like the women in Argentina did.

    Our situation is beyond disgusting. We’ve allowed ourselves to be beaten down like hapless weaklings by — hapless weaklings like
    Stanton Glantz and Debs Arnott. Smokers need to get over the media massage of there being a character flaw to lighting up and enjoying tobacco to our hearts content.

    Some day I hope to see an article right up there at the top of the Drudge Report with the tagline “Smokers Flocking to UKIP in Massive Numbers”. It is way overdue.

    Anyone got any ideas on how to accomplish such a thing? Guerilla media tactics are more than welcome. It looks like that’s what it might take to get the headline.

  5. magnetic01 says:

    World “No Tobacco Day” is quickly approaching (31st May). The antismoking shenanigans get ramped up, particularly in Australia. Here’s a sampling:

    In South Australia:

    Outdoor dining areas will be smoke free by July 2016 in an effort to reduce the number of South Australian smokers.

    That’s a social engineering (neo-eugenics) agenda, i.e., de facto prohibition (Godber Blueprint). This is what the rabid zealot nut cases have claimed for much of the last few decades that they weren’t doing because it was viewed as repugnant, particularly in relatively free societies. Now they are right up front about the intent and folk don’t even notice. That’s how far down the “gurgler” we are.

    The SA government, as with other Australian state governments, has long been committed to a social engineering agenda – give smokers no place to smoke (and fleece them through baseless extortionate taxes):

    Click to access 458%20-%20N%20-%20SA%20Health%20-%20SA%20Tobacco%20Control%20Strategy%202005-2010.pdf

    “The majority of people who responded to our public consultation last year indicated that they supported the introduction of smoke-free outdoor dining areas,” Mr Snelling said.

    Good luck getting a copy of that “consultation”. As the second link indicates (at bottom), the “consultation” didn’t even involve an online website for leaving comments that others could also view:
    The Government recognises the importance of widespread community consultation in the development of any proposal. This discussion paper has been produced to encourage industry, businesses and members of the public as well as other relevant government and non-government agencies to provide comments on this issue and the options presented.
    Comments will be accepted until 1 November 2013.
    Comments can be addressed to:
    Simone Cormack
    State Director
    Drug and Alcohol Services South Australia
    161 Greenhill Road
    PARKSIDE SA 5063

    So comments were sent by mail or email, i.e., private, to an [government] antismoking agency (Tobacco Control Unit) that could then pick and choose what was eventually published!

    • magnetic01 says:

      Here’s the situation concerning indoor and outdoor bans in the hospitality industry. Business owners were quite free to impose indoor bans in their establishments. The vast majority didn’t. It’s assumed that they didn’t see doing so as a good business move. So, the state government came along and imposed a statewide indoor smoking ban contrary to the will of business owners. Of course, the public was fed the standard trash of “smoking bans are good for business”. I would think that what’s allowed many businesses to function since is a balance of [forced] nonsmoking indoors and smoking permitted in al fresco areas. Bear in mind that if indoor bans were so great for business, then why haven’t business owners voluntarily imposed outdoor bans years ago? But the zealot nut cases are still trying to use the “smoking bans are good for business” concerning outdoor areas. It doesn’t make any sense. Business owners are in the best position to make such an evaluation given the impact of indoor bans.

      So, most business owners have not imposed smoking bans in their al fresco areas when, for years, they have been quite free to do so. And along comes the “owned” state government peddling a social engineering agenda and imposes a statewide al fresco smoking ban contrary to the stance of business owners.

      An update on the al fresco ban in South Australia.

      It seems to have caught the hospitality industry by surprise. The industry had contributed to the public “consultation” but it, which would be seriously affected by the ban, hadn’t been notified of the government’s decision.

      “Restaurants fear they might be disadvantaged when a proposed ban on all smoking in outdoor dining areas takes effect in South Australia from July 2016….
      But Ian Horne from Hotels Association says it has not been part of any negotiations about the move despite putting in a submission last year. “They (hotels) just didn’t see it coming in the format that it’s been announced and our immediate reaction, talking to the restaurants association and the clubs association, is that venues, particularly those that have spent a lot of time and energy and money, need more time,” he said.”

      Many restaurants, pubs, and clubs have gone to great expense to accommodate smokers (and nonsmokers of sane disposition) outdoors, all now trampled by the State government that had this outdoor ban in mind when the money was being spent on al fresco areas. So, what’s the response of the Hotels Association. Not rebellion. Not a massive protest in front of the State Government building. No. They think they’ll need more time to conform. Pathetic.

      And the Health Minister provides another reason for the al fresco bans beyond the social engineering and fake health claims, and as haughty, pompous, and bigoted:
      “Mr Snelling says the Government wants to allow the 80 per cent of South Australians who do not smoke to enjoy a meal outdoors.”

      Also pathetic.

  6. magnetic01 says:

    Victoria now is the only Australian state that is a “hold out” to al fresco bans. But the pressure from the usual nut case organizations is mounting.

    In defiance of the state, one local government councillor, Richo Foster (an ex-smoker turned antismoking nut case “evangelist”) has been trying for years to get smoking banned in the entire Melbourne CBD (including streets):

    The nut case, Foster, did manage to get smoking banned outdoors in a particular laneway (The Causeway). Based on a “public consultation”, this ban was deemed a “success”. Foster has claimed that, based on this “consultation”, only 5% of respondents were not in favor of the ban. Well, let’s take a look at that “consultation” (that most probably weren’t even aware of). It only attracted 38 comments. Indeed, 36 of 38 comments were for the ban, many of them sounding like “canned’ antismoking comments, spouting the usual “why should such an important person like me be exposed to smoke?”, “toxic”, “unbearable”. So, Foster is correct: only 5% (2/38) were not in favor of the ban  Many “pro-ban” comments made outrageous health claims concerning outdoor smoke exposure, including “I do not see how not wanting cancer from 2nd hand smoke is draconian.”

    But, according to Foster, these neurotic, bigoted comments make the laneway ban a success (so smoking will be banned in an additional 5 laneways this year) and that these 38 comments should be the basis for a CBD-wide smoking ban.

  7. magnetic01 says:

    Sorry, guys, there’s more from Australia:
    Lord Mayor Lisa Scaffidi: ‘Smoke-free Perth inevitable in the not too distant future’

    [Perth is the capital of Western Australia]

    A CBD-WIDE ban on smoking is “inevitable in the not too distant future”, according to Perth Lord Mayor Lisa Scaffidi.
    From next Sunday, anyone caught smoking in the Hay St and Murray St Malls and Forrest Place will be hit with $100 fines by rangers.
    Ms Scaffidi said other busy pedestrian strips such as St Georges Tce, William St, Barrack St and Wellington St could follow.
    She stressed the council had no current plans to widen the smoking ban and said any changes would have to be phased in over a number years.
    “I think a smoke-free Perth is inevitable in the not too distant future,” the Lord Mayor said. “It’s not just an ideal anymore – it’s becoming more of a reality as the
    smoking population is dwindling. The key is in educating our younger generations that not smoking is our society’s norm.”
    Last December it became illegal to smoke in the city’s malls.
    Ms Scaffidi said an education and awareness period over the past six months had helped.
    “The handful of smokers who don’t care about being infringed or think they can’t or won’t be, at the end of the day, their addiction is hurting themselves more than
    anyone and only serving to isolate them further from the majority of the population who are non-smokers,” she said.
    Acting WA Heart Foundation chief executive Trevor Shilton backed calls for more smoke-free areas in the city.
    Cancer Council WA tobacco programs manager Cassandra Clayforth added: “It’s encouraging to see the Perth Lord Mayor keen to introduce more measures
    that will reduce the largest preventable cause of death and disease in the community.”

  8. magnetic01 says:

    Still more:

    ACT scoops tobacco reform award

    [The ACT is the Australian Capital Territory, home to politicians and government bureaucrats]

    The ACT has been recognised for its tough stand on tobacco reform, with the territory winning a national award for efforts to encourage people to butt
    The ACT and Tasmania were crowned joint winners of the 20th annual National Tobacco Scoreboard Award on Friday, with the two deemed to have
    been most effective in tobacco control of the state and territory governments.
    Announcing the awards at the Australian Medical Association’s national conference, AMA president Steve Hambleton said the ACT had excellent laws
    addressing exposure to passive smoking as well as comprehensive legislation on restrictions on tobacco marketing.
    He also pointed to the ACT government’s recent discussion paper which considers limits on the number of retailer licences, restricting hours of cigarette
    sales, and hikes in licence fees to sell tobacco.
    Dr Hambleton said the ACT and Tasmania had make outstanding progress in recent years, with both governments given high commendations for
    improvements in tobacco control legislation and investment.
    Chief Minister Katy Gallagher welcomed the award, saying the ACT government had rolled out a strong policy agenda in an attempt to cut smoking rates
    and encourage Canberrans to live healthier.
    “This award is important recognition for the hard work that the ACT government has done to reduce smoking availability in the ACT and provides
    encouragement for this work to continue to further build on the positive results we have seen to date,” she said.
    There are smoking restrictions at ACT health facilities, schools, restaurants and bars, outdoor eating and drinking areas, and in cars carrying children.
    The government is also moving towards smoking bans at public swimming pools, playgrounds, sporting fields, bus interchanges, university campuses,
    building entrances, and large public events.
    Ms Gallagher said reducing smoking rates made the community a healthier place to live while also decreasing demand on chronic health services.
    Tasmania was recognised for a second consecutive year.
    Victoria was given the Dirty Ashtray Award for its failure to act on proven tobacco control measures.

  9. magnetic01 says:

    Behind the parrot politicians, note the usual suspects – AMA, Heart Foundation, Cancer Society.

  10. junican says:

    I suspect that people who enjoy tobacco will just have to wait for some other problem to arise which renders smoking bans to be ridiculously silly. In which case, bars will open which announce, “Smoking Allowed”. It is almost inevitable. The Zealots have reached a point equivalent to Prohibition in the USA. Their credibility is shot to pieces. E-cigs WILL renormalise smoking tobacco, but not directly as a consequence of inhaling nicotine. it will be a consequence of pleasure and mental acuity. An adult life-time of pleasure and mental acuity is worth the possibility of the loss of the five years of extra, cabbage-like existence at the age of 90 or thereabouts.
    The leaches must be cast off. Tobacco Control is a leach as are all the “wellbeing” quangoes. The employees of those entities would be better employed picking up litter in the streets.

  11. waltc says:

    End of day buckshot:

    The Daley column could almost be about US politics too. About sums up the US MSM’s and the major parties’ snide take on both the Tea Party and the mid-country conservatives (“racist, xenophobic, homophobic neantherthal Nazis”) and also (I hope) describes the growing strength of the rebellion against uber-liberal PC policies and a growing impatience with patent lies, even by former main-party voters. I sent it to some friends asking if they, too, saw the parallels. Maybe something’s in the air and the monkeys are starting to wash their yams on a worldwide basis.

    With the talk of outdoor restaurant/ bar bans, I can only welcome Australia to New York City which set the mold, but caution you not to presume that owners, if left to their own devices, would choose in favor of smokers. Too many NYCers, at least in Manhattan, are born-again phobics, so even though smoking on patios and sidewalk cafes is still technically legal (for at least 25% of roofless or awningless space) they ban it anyway to please the toney whiners.

    Senzar’s great opening shot, followed by Edgar’s poem, reminded me of one of my favorite limericks by, of all people, W.H. Auden:

    “As the poets have mournfully sung
    Death takes the innocent young,
    The rolling-in-money,
    The screamingly funny,
    And even the very well hung.”

  12. waltc says:

    If you care, the NYT’s take on your election. RTWT.

    Includes the fact that a poll Friday still showed Labor and Tory tied at 20 points ahead of UKIP, that with most precincts counted, election results show that “Labour had gained 292 seats, the Independence Party had gained 155, the Liberal Democrats had lost 284 and the Conservatives had lost 201.” and adds that “Still, despite its sweeping gains in the local British elections, the Independence Party will not control a single local council and does not have a single member in Parliament” and goes on to say that with UKIP’s supporters spread broadly but thinly, it’s unlikely to take any parliament seats in 2015 either.

    • The big kahuna is the election for the European Parliament. The count begins, I think, at 10pm, so results won’t be known until tomorrow.

      In a week and a half, UKIP contests the Newark by-election for Westminster. If Roger Helmer can just win that… He is about 70 and very opposed to the homosexual lifestyle, so that seems to be the main attack front by the other party. Who needs to talk about policies when you can shout “homophobic” all day long like a five year-old calling his classmates names?

      • I wrote other ‘party’ instead of ‘parties’. It was a typo, but really, the typo was correct.

        • Harleyrider1978 says:

          Stewart Id say the voters are pretty well fed up with anything PC or Progressive its becoming a very nasty name to have attached to anything.

  13. Greg burrows says:

    I joined UKIP in 2009 after being one of the few who formed, Freedom 2 Choose in 2007 ( formerly called the Big Debate) I expected at 2007 for membership of F2C to at least get to over a thousand, and have support from the pub trade and hospitality sector, unfortunately no support was forthcoming, and general apathy was prelavent, even from those who were to lose their business due to the ban, a few chose to fight such as Nick Hogen, Hamish Howitt, Tony Blows, Ray (&Jill) McHale, all ended with large fines, I advised Ray from 2007-10, to keep it legal, in which he did, for a while, unfortunately Ray who is his own man, did as he wished (smoked in the pub himself and did not stick to people buying a tin of peanuts, also not telling people that they were breaking the law if they were smoking) which meant, that the powers that be, got around 10 charges on him (reduced to six) after HSE employee, an ex magistrate, council employees, enviromental officers, the Police ganged up and made statements, and brought charges after nearly three years, enviromental Health had failed to on their own, even after several visits. UKIP supported F2C from 2008 I realised eventually that the only way to actually get anywhere and hopefully expose the non science and lies profligated by Tobacco control, was to do so through UKIP, this was five years ago, I stood in the general election in 2010, and local elections, beating the Greens in 2011, beating the Greens, LibDems 2012, no local elections 2013, last week 2014 beat the Greens, LibDems, Conservatives, and brought this strong labour Dewsbury East ward down by nearly 500 votes which gives me a good chance of continuing my run, what I am getting at, it is never too late and now when you stand for UKIP you get votes, not like my slog getting 400+ votes, in 2011, 2012 and now trebled to the 1300s, Patricia Hewitt, Caroline Flint and the rest of the Labour party, who so enthusiastically brought this ban in keep me petulantly going on after all these years.
    If you actually want, to try to amend this draconian smoking ban (Nigel Farage has always said it can not be overturned completely) get in touch with your nearest UKIP branch and ask them if there are wards in which you could stand in the next local elections, it costs nothing to stand in locals, and the more people we have, who are aggrevied at the loss of our freedom to choose not just on the smoking issue, but alcohol, food, and the right to have a democracy (which Lib,Lab,Con seem to want to deprive us of) the stronger we become.

    • Frank Davis says:

      it is never too late


    • carol2000 says:

      As for that “non science and lies profligated by Tobacco control,” I thought that F2C must be a front for the anti-smokers, because most of their posts were nothing but re-posted anti-smoker propaganda. Nobody whatsoever had the slightest interest in exposing their scientific fraud, especially their moderators. They cared more about being an emotional support group, purveying empty and meaningless sympathy for smokers, than having anything to do with fighting. Their mentality is the cause of our problems, not the solution.

      As for those business owners who didn’t fight, that’s why I think repeal of the ban should begin with new bars and restaurants, so that these will be able to get smokers’ business while those who would not fight will not benefit from what they did not assist.

  14. nisakiman says:

    A very good article by Chistopher Booker in the Telegraph today on the subject of ‘groupthink’. He is directing the article more towards the subject of ‘climate change’, but it applies equally to the orthodoxy stifling debate about tobacco.

    Some time back, a reader drew my attention to the book in which, 40 years ago, a Yale professor of psychology, Irving Janis, analysed what, with a conscious nod to George Orwell, he called “groupthink”. It is a term we all casually use (which even he derived from another writer), but he identified eight symptoms of groupthink. One is the urge of its victims to insist that their view is held as a “consensus” by all morally right-thinking people. Another is their ruthless desire to suppress any evidence that might lead someone to question it. A third is their urge to stereotype and denigrate anyone who dares hold a dissenting view. Their intolerance of “independent critical thinking”, as Janis put it, leads them to “irrational and dehumanised actions directed against outgroups”

    Quite so.

  15. Harleyrider1978 says:

    Health advocates oppose draft bill on establishing smoking rooms


    Advocates of the National Center for Public Health (ANCPH) opposed a draft bill that will establish smoking rooms in public service organizations. Around 600,000 people die every year due to passive smoking in the world, according to World Health Organization (WHO) study.
    The study revealed that 43.9 percent of the world population at passive smokers at home, while 55.8 percent at workplace. Sitting in a room filled with cigarette smoke for an hour causes equal impact as smoking 15 cigarettes, according to studies. “There is no such thing as safe amount for cigarette smoke inhalation,” reported the advocates.
    “Mongolian law makers are about to submit a draft bill which allows smoking rooms in public service places and allows cigarette sales closer to schools for the third time to Parliament. This is a clear sign that Mongolia and Parliament are violating the WHO Framework Convention on Tobacco Control,” added the advocates.
    The ANCPH therefore called Parliament to refuse to either discuss or approve the draft bill.

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    • Harleyrider1978 says:

      Mongolia breaks the stalemate and the back of TC!

      • Harleyrider1978 says:

        This is a clear sign that Mongolia and Parliament are violating the WHO Framework Convention on Tobacco Control,” added the advocates

  16. Harleyrider1978 says:

    Studies on the Economic Effects of Bans

    Anti-smoker activists claim smoking bans are good for business. They claim their studies prove it. This page examines how they concoct their numbers. We won’t be dissecting any one study, instead we’ll give you the tools to pick apart any study funded by anti-smokers.
    Fact: Bans affect some business much more than others.
    Obviously, a business that already prohibits smoking isn’t going to be affected at all by a ban. These include delicatessens, bakeries, fast food chains, and take out places. Take out places usually benefit from ban, because they are patronized by smokers who decide to stay home. Anti-smokers usually include these unaffected businesses in their studies.

    Smoking is less common among the wealthy, so bars and restaurants catering to an upscale crowd aren’t nearly as affected as places with a working-class clientele. (Some taverns report 80-90% of their patrons are smokers.) Small town diners, where people like to hang around and chat after a meal, are also hurt by bans. The economic differences between upscale and working class palaces gives the nanny’s studies a particular advantage. If a small diner loses $200 dollars a day, it may represent a 50% loss for their business, while an upscale restaurant can make up that difference with a single meal.

    Fact: Studies funded by anti-smoker groups usually include places that are not at all affected by bans, as well as those where the effect is minimal.

    The most important part of any hospitality business is location, location, location. When the smoking ban was issued in New York, bars near the borders of smoker-friendly states saw their smoking customers, along with the smokers non-smoking friends, make the short trip to New Jersey or Pennsylvania so they could enjoy themselves without being harassed. Border bars in those states are reporting record profits, while many NY taverns near the border closed down for lack of customers.

    Bingo Halls usually report losses of 50% or more due to bans. Many have closed. Bingo is a very social game. People go there to hang out with their friends as much as they do to play the game. Many patrons simply don’t go if they can’t smoke and are turning to online bingo. As a result, charities depending on bingo profits have to cut back on services, and sometimes eliminate them completely.

    Referring to the effect of smoking bans, Dan Plonka of Bingo Caller Magazine said, “Some organizations have completely lost every single penny of profit–their losses have been over 100 percent. Other organizations are down about 10 to 15 percent; most are down about 50 percent of the profits.”

    Don’t look for bingo halls in the anti-smoker studies – you won’t find them.

    Bowling alleys are also ignored in most of these studies. They have a unique problem – shoes. A smoker can’t just step outside for a smoke while wearing bowling shoes. They’d have to change their shoes twice each time they wanted a cigarette. Most of them won’t bother. Laurel Bowl, in San Luis Obispo, CA, had been successful for thirty-four years before California’s statewide ban. Three Hundred and Eighty-five league bowlers quit because of the ban, which cost the business $200,000 in annual revenues. The place struggled along for another year, then closed it’s doors.

    Distributors, those who supply been and liquor to bars and restaurants, often report severe losses. They, too, are ignored in studies.

    Pool Halls don’t usually serve much food or alcohol. They’re left out of most studies as well, even though their losses are usually severe.

    Business that sell and service air cleaning units are affected. If there are no smokers, there’s no reason to buy an air cleaner. If the bar has already purchased one, there’s no need to turn it on, or to have the filter changed.

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    Business that market and maintain vending machines in taverns are also affected. Pool tables, dart machines, juke boxes and video games, and, of course, cigarette machines, experience a decrease in business in direct proportion to the decrease in the establishment’s customers.

    Fact: I’ve examined many studies by funded by anti-smoker groups. Every one completely ignored bowling alleys, pool halls, bingo parlors, and other businesses that are heavily impacted by bans.

    Virtually all of the studies on economic impact have been conducted by anti-smoker groups, or governments justifying their laws. But in 2004 The Empire State Restaurant and Tavern Association funded a study that was conducted by Ridgewood Economic Associates. It concentrated on small, independent taverns. They found that bars and taverns in the state have lost about 2,000 jobs, $28.5 million in salary payments and $37 million in gross state product. The response of the anti-smoker groups was predictable: they claimed that The Empire State Restaurant and Tavern Association was a front for the tobacco industry. This is a blatant lie.

    Fact: Studies funded by anti-smoker groups achieve their numbers by
    •Including many business which are not affected by bans
    •Under-representing business that are the most impacted by bans.
    •Excluding many of the business that are most devastated by the bans (Bingo Halls, Pool Rooms, Bowling Alleys, Distributors, etc.)
    •Ignoring the issue of compliance.

    Recently the anti’s began touting a study conducted by Tobacco Control. It is a meta-analysis, (the easiest kind of study to fake and manipulate,) studying studies about the economic impact of bans.

    They conclude only studies funded by tobacco companies show harm to business. The flip side, of course, is that only studies funded by anti-smoker organizations show bans are good for business. To put it more succinctly, the results of studies of the economic effects of bans reflect the agendas of those funding the studies. Surprise, surprise.

    In closing, we offer a question to anyone supporting bans. The bar and restaurant business is fiercely competitive, and the people running venues are smart enough to do everything they can to increase their bottom line. If banning smoking really were good for their business, wouldn’t they have discovered it by now, and wouldn’t that make laws mandating bans unnecessary?

    Additional Information:

    Economic Losses Due to Smoking Bans in California and Other States. An honest look at the real numbers.

  17. Harleyrider1978 says:

    Mr Farage had predicted his party could hoover up 200 extra council seats by the end of the day – and said European election results due Monday could be even better following what he described as “a very good night for Ukip”.

    In a forceful message, he warned his opponents that over the course of the summer Ukip will choose constituencies to target, and{{{{{{{ “throw the kitchen sink at them”.}}}}}}}}

  18. Harleyrider1978 says:

    Headlines > UKIP vows to sack MSPs and scrap the smoking ban

    UKIP vows to sack MSPs and scrap the smoking ban

    Wednesday 6th April 2011, posted by forest

    The UK Independence Party said MSPs should be replaced at Holyrood by Westminster MPs with constituencies in Scotland. It also wants to scrap the smoking ban.

    Launching its manifesto in Edinburgh, the party also said it planned to restrict immigration, repeal the Human Rights Act and end subsidies for “monstrous, climate-irrelevant, cost-ineffective wind farms”.

    Source: UKIP manifesto calls for MSPs to be abolished (Daily Telegraph)

    V Ellis
    Posted on Apr 6th, 2011
    I had not considered UKIP, But giving back the right to smoke or not, smoking pubs or not,
    Will get my consideration,
    It would be nice to have a party in power, Giving a freedom of choice, not a dictatorship,
    How nice to have the community Pub back.

    Pat Nurse
    Posted on Apr 6th, 2011
    I’ve left three comments on this now over at Simon’s blog including this one which is honestly how I feel : “A vote for UKIP for smokers is, if nothing else, making a statement. That’s how I see it. I honestly feel it is my duty as there is no point in moaning about smoker discrimination if at the end of the day when the time comes to give politiicians a message, I vote LibLabCon (or SNP) and say I don’t care how much you denormalise me.”

    Posted on Apr 7th, 2011
    Freedom to choose to smoke or not, as a publican to allow smoking in your pub or not. simple really, only one party give you that choice.
    dont let the SNPLIBLABCON control yeu

    Smokers vote UK I P in the elections

    Stanley Kerr
    Posted on Apr 18th, 2011
    I agree that a message has to be sent to politicians that we are supposed to be living in a democracy. Nobody in the UK was allowed a vote on this extreme smoking ban i.e. NO SMOKING anywhere except in peoples homes or certain places on the streets. There was a marginal support (52%) for a partial ban but 82% were against the existing TOTAL ban.

    Considering the enormous (negative) affect it has had on jobs/society – bars/restaurants/bingo halls etc. closing down – especially in small towns/villages and that NOBODY was allowed a vote except 650 MPS (not one of whom asked their constituents for a vote) is nothing short of a total breakdown of demecracy. The irony of this is that the Labour Party stated in their manifesto that it would NEVER ban smoking! Well done Tony Blair (sic)!

    David Copeland
    Posted on Apr 25th, 2011
    Do UKIP want to scrap the smoking ban in the whole of the UK, or just in Scotland?
    I’ve already begun to spread the word, and a lot of smokers I know are now going to vote for UKIP!!

    Adrian Brown
    Posted on Apr 29th, 2011
    When I saw lefty “activists” smashing things up in London and heard little Ed Miliband getting swept away in his own rhetoric by seeming to compare these thugs and mugs with the suffragettes, I remembered Labour’s own shame: their broken promise of a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty and their imposition of a blanket smoking-ban in defiance of their much-publicised manifesto “commitment”.

    I tackled Labour MP Paul Flynn on this a few years ago and was told, rudely, that I was politically naive to expect politicians to stand by such promises.

    And Labour didn’t even have the excuse of a coalition agreement. These charlatans did it because they wanted to and because they reckoned by their numbers in parliament that they’d get away with it.

  19. Harleyrider1978 says:

    The way to win is to challenge everything they say or do. Constantly bombard them to have to defend theyre psotion and claims. Never let one article rest without challenge!

    In their proverbial face hang the Nazi moniker on them or anything befitting freedom stealing totaliatarian dictators like these health Facists…………..

  20. Harleyrider1978 says:


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    By Mark Nolan / 2014-05-23 17:54:19


    Consumers in Spain spend more than 7 billion euro on tobacco products and more than 3 billion euro on alcohol each year, according to a new study by the EAE Business School.

    Despite the country-wide smoking ban in certain areas, Spain is still in the top 5 countries of smokers, along with Greece, Slovenia, Bulgaria and Japan, with cigarette consumption actually increasing, as each smoker now uses 2,462 cigarettes (or equivalent) per year, an average of 6.75 packs or 123 cigarettes per day, a 4.46% increase on last year.

    Extremadura, Madrid and Aragon are the areas where the biggest tobacco spenders are located, whereas the Canary Islands, Navarra and Catalonia yield the lowest expenditure.

    In terms of alcohol, the report shows that the average cost last year was 684 euro per person, an increase of 1.30%, pitching the country around the middle in comparison terms with other countries.

    Geographically, the Basque, Catalan and Balearic zones spend the most on alcohol, whereas those who spend less are located in Extremadura, The Canaries and Cantabria.

    The average consumer profile of alcohol consumer in Spain is the man, 65 years or older and a graduate with a second and third stages, while the average profile of smoker in Spain is that of a woman, aged between 45 and 64, and with secondary education.

  21. Harleyrider1978 says:

    Just when you thought it couldn’t get any crazier it did!

    School Car Wash Fundraisers Banned in Virginia County

    Eric Boehm

    May 24, 2014 at 11:33 am

    For years, car washes have been a fundraising staple for high school sports teams, marching bands and youth groups.

    Just get some kids together with buckets and soap, rent out a parking lot, put up a sign and hope it doesn’t rain.

    But in Arlington, Va., you also have to hope the government doesn’t catch you.

    Charity car washes and car wash fundraisers are now banned on school property there, after the Department of Environmental Services issued new rules for stormwater and water runoff.

    The county pins the blame on the Virginia General Assembly, which approved more stringent water regulations last year.

    “There is an underlying reason why most types of car washing are not allowed under state and federal stormwater regulations,” DES spokeswoman Shannon Whalen told the Arlington News.

    Those important reasons: washing cars can cause chlorinated water and soap to wash into local streams, which flow into the Potomac River and Chesapeake Bay.

    But Whalen found a silver lining in the new regulations.

    “There are educational and environmental benefits that come with finding new and environmentally friendly ways to raise money for extracurricular activities,” she said.

    One of those educational benefits: high school kids get a first-hand civics lesson in how government shuts down just about any activity it doesn’t like. Try finding that lesson in any textbook.

    Coaches told the Arlington News they’re concerned about how the ban will affect sports and other activities. After all, the market can only handle so many bake sales.

    The new stormwater regulations in Virginia have consequences beyond Arlington.

    By the letter of the law approved in July 2013, all car washes that aren’t for personal use require a permit from the state government, even charity car washes held on private property.

    Eric Boehm is a reporter for, a national network of investigative reporters covering waste, fraud and abuse in government. is a project of the nonprofit Franklin Center for Government & Public Integrity.

  22. Harleyrider1978 says:

    Nigel Farage will be celebrating twice – once tonight when UKIP comprehensively defeat the establishment political parties, and again tomorrow when the mainstream media solidifies the party’s support by patronising and insulting UKIP voters in their “analysis”:

    How Do You Solve A Problem Like Nigel Farage?

    bluegold > SemiPartisanSam • 2 hours ago

    Wednesday Eve : Racists, Xenophobes, Little Englanders, Homophobes, Nazis.

    Thursday Eve: Angry, ignored, disconnected.

    Fri – Sat: Heard, understood, invited to dinner, welcomed.

    Sun: Sorry, forgive us, please come back.

    • Harleyrider1978 says:

      Let’s play pretend.

      Suppose that you are a British voter who happened to express admiration for Nigel Farage back in 2010. Your friends were aghast and asked how you could possibly support such an eccentric right-wing oddball, so you kept quiet for awhile, putting your feelings down to maybe not knowing as much about politics as you should, and feeling a bit chastened by the reaction you received.

      Imagine that you then found yourself agreeing with Farage and the UKIP position even more on things like immigration and leaving the European Union when the local elections rolled around in May 2013 and the party made headlines for doing so well. Surely now you could admit to your friends and family that you were becoming a fan of this new kid on the block, especially since one in four voters supported UKIP this time around and they were receiving so much press coverage? But once again, as soon as you mentioned your political sentiments people looked at you as though you must have fallen over and hit your head.

      Fast-forward to spring 2014. The things that you think are important issues are still not being addressed by the main political parties,and now the European and local elections are coming up. Only UKIP are offering the policy proposals that seem like common sense to you, and they are the only party whose candidates seem able to express themselves freely and persuasively without sounding like they are reading aloud from (at best) a teleprompter or (more usually) the telephone directory. Surely now people must see the appeal of UKIP? Surely now it must be safe to come out?

      At the pub one evening, you admit that you are planning to vote UKIP in the European election, and maybe for the local council too. Outrage! That won’t do at all, it’s quite simply the end of the world. Your horrified friends dive for their smartphones, and before you can blink five brightly-lit screens are being shoved in your face, each one blaring “top ten” lists of reasons not to vote UKIP, or trumpeting the misdeeds of a dodgy-looking UKIP councillor at the other end of the country.

      Didn’t you know? Nigel Farage wants to rescind women’s suffrage! Godfrey Bloom once chartered a Boeing 767 at his own expense and set up a stall at the Notting Hill carnival, offering dark-skinned people £100 each to hop onboard and fly home to Bongo Bongo Land! How can you think of lending your support to people like that? Are you crazy?

      You go home in a sour mood and turn on the computer. You’re sure you had more Facebook friends than that this morning. And why have you received nine invitations to “like” the Liberal Democrats and see the amazing work their MEPs are doing in Brussels, protecting the environment and standing up to the bankers? Disgusted – and determined never to vote for Nick Clegg’s party again, no matter how much your overbearing aunt cajoles – you switch on the television. The newsreader is reporting that Nigel Farage was hit by an egg while out campaigning earlier that day. “Wow”, you think. “I know just how he feels”.

      Election day rolls around. For the past two weeks, every newspaper article and news segment has seemed to be about UKIP one way or another – and none of them positive. But the UKIP you know from looking at the website and talking to the volunteer on the doorstep doesn’t look anything like the monstrous effigy being held up by the media. You decide to quietly vote UKIP, and just not tell anybody about it. To hell with them anyway, you never said a word when they all decided to grow pretentious beards like that guy from Mad Men.

      As the election results start coming in, pandemonium breaks out. David Dimbleby is having a meltdown in the BBC studio, the swing-o-meter self-destructed in a shower of sparks, the Labour shadow cabinet formed an orderly queue to tell Adam Boulton exactly how Ed Miliband led them to disaster and the Tories are cursing you and your kind for costing them their precious councils in Essex.

      What’s more, in the space of two breathless minutes, the all-knowing BBC panel packed with manicured, London-dwelling upper-middle class “experts” has solemnly suggested at least five ludicrous reasons why you voted for UKIP:

      You were left behind by the modern information economy. Actually no, you have a decent skilled job; you’re not Alan Sugar but it has good prospects and pays the bills.

      Your local community looks nothing like it did in 1960 and it’s scary for you to see the change. Well you were born in the 80s, and you managed to take the internet, iPhones and the falafel restaurant round the corner in your stride without wetting yourself in terror, so that probably isn’t the reason.

      You feel persecuted for holding on to your traditional values. Hardly. Two of your friends are gay (the first ones to grow the stupid hipster beards, come to think of it) and although you know that some UKIP councillors have said pretty nasty things about gay people, you’re not homophobic at all, that’s not what attracted you to the party.

      You feel like no one listens to you, your vote was just a blind stab at the hated political elite. Well it used to feel like no one listened, but Nigel Farage and his party came and listened. A protest vote would be a spoiled ballot paper or a write-in for the Monster Raving Loony Party. What you did was positive and purposeful, a vote for certain policies you agreed with.

      You’re angry, you’re furious, you’re consumed with blind rage. Well yes, but only since the start of this election broadcast!

      So many reasons offered by the Westminster commentariat, and none of them the simple truth:

      You looked at the Conservative platform and you don’t trust them to deliver on the things that they say they would do – the government is failing to meet its immigration targets again, and the Tories already broke one “cast-iron” promise to hold a referendum on Europe.

      You looked at Labour and saw a party that hasn’t even accepted that they did anything wrong when they were in government leading up to the recession, who never mention Europe or immigration at all unless you beat it out of them with a stone, and whose leader can’t even eat a bacon sandwich without getting on the front page of the papers for doing it wrong.

      You didn’t bother to look at the Liberal Democrats too closely, because you’re not weird and it isn’t 2010 any more.

      But you looked at UKIP and found that their policy prescriptions fit your list of concerns rather handily, and gave them your vote because isn’t that precisely how democracy is supposed to work?

      Yes! The truth is that you voted UKIP for the same reason that other people voted for their parties – because you thought through the issues and liked UKIP’s policies. Now why is that so hard for the politicians and people in the media to understand?

      Now before you stop reading – yes, there was a point to that tortuous exercise in imagination. Consider:

      In the aftermath of the election, various concerned commentators and newspaper articles have been encouraging us to imagine what it must be like to be a UKIP voter, as though the very thought is so alien that ‘normal’ people actually need a tourist guide into the mind of a Ukipper in order to make sense of the election results. Did you know that they are omnivores and base their waking hours on the rising and setting of the sun, just like us? Fascinating!

      But does the media (and they are almost all guilty) ever stop to think what it must be like – purely by virtue of subscribing to some fairly commonly held political views – to be talked about as though you are a symptom of a terrible and shameful national venereal disease, or a wayward prodigal child that needs to be rehabilitated back into the family?

      Do the newspaper columnists and TV talking heads ever stop to think just how maddeningly patronising they sound to UKIP voters when they write their anguished, hand-wringing columns on what to do about Britain’s awful UKIP problem?

      Most of the time, a conservative can read the Guardian or a liberal the Telegraph and not necessarily feel loved and perfectly understood, but at least see their opinions treated with a very basic level of respect. There were no inquests in 2010 as to why the voters ignored Gordon Brown’s self-evident brilliance in such large numbers and rudely cast him from Downing Street. But with UKIP it is different. It is as though believing in UKIP’s worldview and policies doesn’t deserve acknowledgement, understanding and then persuasion by those who vote differently – it requires correction by those who know better. You’re not thinking properly, UKIP voter. If you were, you would have selected from one of our pre-existing bland political flavours.

      Only one article on the Guardian shows any degree of contrition at all for the way that UKIP supporters were hounded, bullied and vilified in the press over the past few weeks. Apologies are in very short supply, but there is an abundance of smug condescension packaged as expert political analysis.

      A host of British politicians have already been wheeled through the television studios to offer their own variants on the standard post-election-upset mea culpa: we hear their concerns, we need to start speaking their language, we need to show that we are relevant to their lives, we need to stop them from being exploited by the far-right.

      You can be sure that all the main parties are plotting their next moves already. The only idea missing from all of their plans? Actually talking to UKIP supporters, and treating them as though they are fellow human beings.

      To be a UKIP voter watching or reading the news today must feel as though you are a dangerous but valuable specimen kept in a lab, with a curious Guardian reader in a hazmat suit poking you through the safety glass to see how you respond to political stimuli while someone from CCHQ takes notes and a BuzzFeed staffer snaps pictures and adds mocking captions. I CAN HAZ PINT WITH NIGEL NOW?

      This can’t be a very pleasant experience – the resultant emotion is likely to be one of immense irritation at being so misunderstood and publicly belittled. In fact, the only thing likely to make the whole damn experience any better is watching Nigel Farage’s smiling face as he sinks another pint and poses for photographs with his victorious local candidates.

      It’s the political and media establishment’s turn to play pretend now:

      You’re that UKIP voter. After being subjected to this barrage of disbelief turned to mockery turned to outrage turned to hate turned to amazement turned to curiosity turned to pity from the big three political parties and most of the press, where do your political sympathies lie, looking ahead to the 2015 general election?

  23. Harleyrider1978 says:

    How Nigel Farage gave British democracy back to the voters (VIDEO)

    Frank I am so damn Happy for you Brits! I wish we had a Nigel Farage here in America!

    The closest we have is Rand Paul so far……………

    • Harleyrider1978 says:

      If any of you ever get a chance to down a pint with Nigel tell em Harleyrider was rooting for him and pushing him all over the world in the English speaking nations and some that aren’t. I just love that man!

    • Harleyrider1978 says:

      Ukip has changed the shape of British politics – for the better, argues Peter Oborne, chief political commentator of the Daily Telegraph and an associate editor of The Spectator.

  24. Harleyrider1978 says:

    Whatever the European election result, Ukip has already won

    Ukip has changed the shape of politics – for the better

    • Harleyrider1978 says:

      cargill55 • 4 days ago

      The British state is contributing money to oppose UKIP
      By abusing UKIP with insults , smears, lies, misinformation the Establishment, the MSM and Liblabcon are abusing millions of UKIP supporters.
      This is what they think of millions of British people, they say we are racists, bigots, little englanders.
      Well MSM and Liblabcon I have news for you, we are a damned sight better than the bunch of political crooks governing this country and the paid for , sycophantic MSM who support the oligarchy.
      We will stop you from stealing our country from us.
      What’s most upsetting is that the extremist anti UKIP propaganda may have incited violence against UKIP members.
      The MSM and Liblabcon are so out of touch and arrogant they have absolutely no idea what they have unleashed with this corrupt anti UKIP smear campaign.
      Everything has changed now.
      Democracy , what democracy ?

  25. Harleyrider1978 says:

    Strong showing by Germany’s new anti-euro party

    First exit polls show that Germany’s new anti-euro party, the Alternative for Germany (AfP), is on course to win its first seats in the European Parliament, heading for 7 per cent of the vote, an increase on its showing in the 2013 general…

  26. Harleyrider1978 says:

    Italy joins eurosceptic surge

    Italy’s Five Star Movement, led by the raucous comedian Beppe Grillo who has denounced the EU-supporting social-democratic Prime Minister Renzi as “a little moron,” has joined the surge of eurosceptic parties across the European Union.

    Danish eurosceptics top poll

    The right-wing, anti-immigration Danish People’s Party, which sits with the UK Independence Party in the European Parliament, has overtaken both parties in the coalition government and is leading the election, according to exit polls.

    France’s Le Pen on course to humilate Hollande

    Marine Le Pen’s right-wing anti-EU Front National looks set to take 23 to 25 of France’s 74 seats in the European Parliament. Exit polls show the centre-right UMP of former president Nicholas Sarkozy will take between 18 and 21, while the Socialist Party of President Hollande is trailing with an expected 13 seats. A group of independents may share six to eight seats.

    Farage: I Will Destroy the Tories, then Retire from Politics

    UKIP leader Nigel Farage has vowed to destroy Britain’s Conservative Party and found a new right-wing political party in Britain. After helping Britain exit the European Union, he said in an interview with the Daily Mail, he will quit politics

    All Eyes on Sceptics in EU vote

    All eyes will be on potential gains by Europe’s increasingly popular anti-EU parties when a mammoth four-day election for the next five-year European Parliament winds up today
    from AFP 25 May 2014, 3:03 AM PDT 5

    Clegg on the Ropes: British Deputy Prime Minister Faces Calls to Quit

    Britain’s Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg came under pressure today to step down as leader of the Liberal Democrats after the centre-Left party took a pounding in local elections
    from AFP 25 May 2014, 2:59 AM PDT 23

  27. Harleyrider1978 says:

    ‘Massive’ gains for the rightwing in Austria, Greece, France

    The popular right-wing have gained massively in Austria and Greece, and in France Marine Le Pen’s Front National will gain at least 20 seats. The non-mainstream right of the European Parliament will hold up to 83 seats, according to an exit poll analysis published by Bell Pottinger, a Brussels public relations firm.

    UKIP top the ballot in Eastern England

    UKIP have won the largest share of the vote in the Eastern region, with 542,812 votes and three seats. The Conservatives finished second with 446,569 votes, also winning three seats. Labour were in third place with 271,601 votes and one seat.

  28. Greg burrows says:

    I have had a few pints with Nigel Farage, and can not count the times we have had a smoke together, he always referred to me, as the smoking Yorkshireman, I have not met him since October last year, and doubt I will ever be able to have a quiet smoke with him again, as he now has four bodyguards at great expense, to protect him from the very people who purport to be peaceable, but who are actually the opposite such as Hope not Hate, and unite against Fascism, who have Labour and the unions at their helm, after being with UKIP for five years I can honestly say there is no hatred in the party except that directed at the EU, which Nigel verbally dishes out, it is ironic that the far left, are the ones who are the thugs who tear our banners down and destroy our billboards and chant in our speaking halls, because they fear our rhetoric.
    EU Elections coming in now the people are speaking with their vote, they have had enough of politicians telling them they are not capable of making their own minds up, without UKIP where would we be?

  29. Marie says:

    Nigel Farage has been on Danish TV tonight with a nice smile.
    It seams that the British vote has made a lot of impression upon Danish medias and politicians.

    • Marie says:

      It was mentioned, that he would shout so loud in Brussels, that the criticism of EU will not be overheard. But nobody mentioned, that he was a smoker. ;)

      • Harleyrider1978 says:

        Marie in the coming days they will all know he is a smoker guaranteed as Nigel doesn’t hide it.

        • Marie says:

          I think, they will ignore it. He is presented as someone, who wants UK out of EU. Nothing else.

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