Ukraine: 1 + 2 = 3

It’s probably a bit more complicated than this, but all the same…

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Smoking prevalence in Ukraine:

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24 May 2012

Ukraine’s parliament has banned smoking in most public places ahead of the Euro 2012 football championship in June.

MPs today approved a law to make smoking in schools, colleges, hospitals, restaurants, museums, and public places such as buses illegal.

Smoking in airports, hotels, dormitories and company offices will be allowed only in special smoking zones.

President Viktor Yanukovych now has 10 days to either sign the bill into law or send it back to parliament.

17 December 2012

Ukraine’s law enacting a 100 percent ban on indoor smoking in public places – including cafes, bars and restaurants – took effect on Dec. 16.

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22 February 2014

Kiev, Ukraine: An opposition unit took control of the presidential palace outside Kiev on Saturday, as leaders in Parliament said Ukraine’s president, Viktor Yanukovych, had fled the capital a day after a deal was reached aimed at ending the country’s spiral of violence

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  1. beobrigitte says:

    I thought you might pick up on this one….

    Viktor Yanukovych, had fled the capital a day after a deal was reached aimed at ending the country’s spiral of violence

    I have been following this for a while…
    Ukraine’s parliament has banned smoking in most public places ahead of the Euro 2012 football championship in June.

    Whilst it was not the issue at the time until there was a smoking ban, a lot of disgruntled smokers have joined the protest in the hope that the EU will bring them freedom. FAIL.

    It’s sad.

  2. pubcurmudgeon says:

    I would expect the new leadership, being EU enthusiasts, to be even more anti-smoking. After all, opposing smoking is so modern.

    • Frank Davis says:

      Yes, it’s ever so modern! And progressive too. And it’s new! All right-thinking, progressive, modern people know that it’s the way things are going. It’s the unstoppable tide of history.

      • Marie says:

        As a young dad told me: Back in time people were so ignorant, that they did not know, smoking was bad. And he was laughing, feeling how lucky he was to be born in an Age of Enlightenment. ;)

  3. Fredrik Eich says:

    Not sure why Ukraine needed to ban smoking they had managed to see a massive fall in lung cancer rates despite continuing with very high smoking rates just as in Russia.

  4. harleyrider1978 says:

    http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/02/17/us-eu-paying-ukrainian-rioters-protesters-paul-craig-roberts/

    US and EU Are Paying Ukrainian Rioters and Protesters — Paul Craig Roberts

    February 17, 2014 | Categories: Articles & Columns | Tags: | Print This Article Print This Article

    US and EU Are Paying Ukrainian Rioters and Protesters

    Paul Craig Roberts

    A number of confirmations have come in from readers that Washington is fueling the violent protests in Ukraine with our taxpayer dollars. Washington has no money for food stamps or to prevent home foreclosures, but it has plenty of money with which to subvert Ukraine.

    One reader wrote: “My wife, who is of Ukrainian nationality, has weekly contact to her parents and friends in Zhytomyr [NW Ukraine]. According to them, most protesters get an average payment of 200-300 grivna, corresponding to about 15-25 euro. As I additionally heard, one of the most active agencies and ‘payment outlets’ on EU side is the German ‘Konrad Adenauer Stiftung’, being closely connected to the CDU, i.e. Mrs. Merkel’s party.”

    Johannes Loew of the Internet site elynitthria.net/ writes: “I am just back from Ukraine (I live in Munich/Germany) and I was a lot at the Maidan. Most of those people get only 100 grivna. 300 is for Students.”

    As I reported on February 12, “Washington Orchestrated Protests Are Destabilizing Ukraine,” http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/02/12/washington-orchestrated-protests-destabilizing-ukraine/ Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland, a rabid Russophobe and neoconservative warmonger, told the National Press Club last December that the US has “invested” $5 billion in organizing a network to achieve US goals in Ukraine in order to give “Ukraine the future it deserves.” http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article37599.htm Nuland is the Obama regime official who was caught red-handed naming the members of the Ukrainian government Washington intends to impose on the Ukrainian people once the paid protesters have unseated the current elected and independent government.

    What Nuland means by Ukraine’s future under EU overlordship is for Ukraine to be looted like Latvia and Greece and to be used by Washington as a staging ground for US missile bases against Russia.

    From the responses I received to my request for confirmations of the information sent to me from Moldova, http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/02/14/russia-attack-paul-craig-roberts/ there is enough evidence that Washington fomented the violent riots for western newspapers and TV channels to investigate. But they haven’t. As we know, the presstitutes are enablers of Washington’s crimes and duplicities. However, the US media has reported that the Ukrainian government is paying Ukrainians to rally in favor of the government. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/02/16/ukraine-government-protests/5435315/ The Ukrainian government will have a hard time matching Washington’s $5 billion.

    As Karl Marx wrote, money turns everything into a commodity that is bought and sold. I wouldn’t be surprised if some protesters are working both sides of the street.

    Of course, not all of the protesters are paid. There are plenty of gullible dupes in the streets who think they are protesting Ukraine government corruption. I have heard from several. There is little doubt that the Ukraine government is corrupt. What government isn’t? Government corruption is universal, but it is easy to go from the frying pan into the fire. Ukrainian protesters seem to think that they can escape corruption by joining the EU. Obviously, these gullible dupes are unfamiliar with the report on EU corruption issued February 3 by the EU Commissioner for Home Affairs. The report says that a business-political nexus of corruption affects all 28 EU member countries and costs the EU economies $162.2 billion per annum. http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2014/02/eu-report-corruption-widespread-bloc-20142313322401478.html According to the World Bank, the economic cost of EU corruption is almost as large as the size of Ukrainian GDP. http://data.worldbank.org/country/ukraine Clearly, Ukrainians will not escape corruption by joining the EU. Indeed, Ukrainians will suffer worse corruption.

    I have no objection to Ukrainians protesting government corruption. Indeed, such gullible people could benefit from the lesson they would learn once their country is in the hands of corrupt Brussels and Washington. What I object to is the lack of awareness on the part of the protesters that by permitting themselves to be manipulated by Washington, they are pushing the world toward a dangerous war. I would be surprised if Russia is content to have US military and missile bases in Ukraine.

    It was fools like Nuland playing the great game that gave us World War I. World War III would be the last war. Washington’s drive to exploit every opportunity to establish its hegemony over the world is driving us all to nuclear war. Like Nuland, a significant percentage of the population of western Ukraine are Russophobes. I know the case for Ukrainian dislike of Russia, but Ukrainian emotions fueled with Washington’s money should not direct the course of history. No historians will be left to document how gullible and witless Ukrainians set the world up for destruction.

  5. harleyrider1978 says:

    US and EU Are Paying Ukrainian Rioters and Protesters — Paul Craig Roberts

    February 17, 2014 | Categories: Articles & Columns | Tags: | Print This Article Print This Article

    US and EU Are Paying Ukrainian Rioters and Protesters

    Paul Craig Roberts

    A number of confirmations have come in from readers that Washington is fueling the violent protests in Ukraine with our taxpayer dollars. Washington has no money for food stamps or to prevent home foreclosures, but it has plenty of money with which to subvert Ukraine.

    One reader wrote: “My wife, who is of Ukrainian nationality, has weekly contact to her parents and friends in Zhytomyr [NW Ukraine]. According to them, most protesters get an average payment of 200-300 grivna, corresponding to about 15-25 euro. As I additionally heard, one of the most active agencies and ‘payment outlets’ on EU side is the German ‘Konrad Adenauer Stiftung’, being closely connected to the CDU, i.e. Mrs. Merkel’s party.”

    Johannes Loew of the Internet site elynitthria.net/ writes: “I am just back from Ukraine (I live in Munich/Germany) and I was a lot at the Maidan. Most of those people get only 100 grivna. 300 is for Students.”
    http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/02/17/us-eu-paying-ukrainian-rioters-protesters-paul-craig-roberts/

  6. jaxthefirst says:

    It is sort of odd, isn’t it, how so many of these public disturbances just happen to follow in the wake of smoking bans? I seem to recall Greece having big protests following an announcement of their ban (not that they take any notice of it anyway, from what I hear), and there also seemed to have been bans imposed in several of the Arab countries prior to many of those Arab Spring protests a couple of years or so ago. None of the protests are actually about the smoking bans, but I do wonder whether such ordinances, touching as they do very personally on individuals’ lives, act as the “straw that breaks the camel’s back.” All the time corrupt and self-serving regimes pass laws which seem somehow removed from people’s personal lives, they just put up with it, maybe – like here – grumbling about it a bit, but not really feeling it personally enough to get really, really angry or take to the streets. But then smoking bans come along and it just tips them over the edge.

    As an aside, I was on one of my rare visits to my local pub yesterday and during the course of the evening – must have just been the way the wind was blowing – the smell of cigarettes from people outside drifted slightly into the pub. No-one was bothered, of course, because no-one was actually smoking inside, but that lovely pubby smell took me right back to the pre-2007 days when pubs really were a special place to go. That wonderful, warm, cosy pub smell – a mixture of hoppy beer and cigarette smoke – sent me on a real nostalgia-fest. There’s no doubt about it, pubs lost a whole lot more than just cigarette smoke when the ban came in. They’ve lost something very unique and special and terribly “British.” Pubs without smoke simply aren’t pubs – they’re just sterile and rather uninspiring drinking houses. And, no matter how much the antis like to pretend that nothing’s changed apart from the air quality, that little whiff of the old days brought home to me that they really are just not the same any more. No wonder even non-smokers don’t bother to go into them very much, these days.

    • Frank Davis says:

      there also seemed to have been bans imposed in several of the Arab countries prior to many of those Arab Spring protests a couple of years or so ago.

      I wrote about it 3 years ago: Are Arab Smokers Revolting?

      None of the protests are actually about the smoking bans, but I do wonder whether such ordinances, touching as they do very personally on individuals’ lives, act as the “straw that breaks the camel’s back.”

      This is bound to be the case. Smoking bans “exile smokers to the outdoors”, and make life pretty nasty for them. It’s probably even nastier in Ukraine in winter, and this ban came into effect in December! And look at the prevalence of smoking in Ukraine!

      God only knows what’s going to happen in Russia when their full ban comes into force in June this year!

      But all these countries are run by dickheads, who do whatever is fashionable. And this is particularly true in Britain, of course.

  7. nisakiman says:

    None of the protests are actually about the smoking bans, but I do wonder whether such ordinances, touching as they do very personally on individuals’ lives, act as the “straw that breaks the camel’s back.”

    I think there’s a lot of truth in your theory, Jax. The smoking bans have just created a situation where ordinary people, although aware beforehand of the failings and dislocation of their governments, have suddenly been put in a situation where they start thinking “Just who the fuck do these people think they are, to tell me where I can and cannot smoke?”. Which of course leads on to thinking more closely about the other aspects of the ruling class that they don’t like. Which in turn leads to outright rejection of the regime being imposed on them.

    Perhaps the Greek government is taking a very pragmatic approach to the smoking bans for that very reason. Lord knows, they can do without any more diktats for the populace to have cause to get angry about. So they placate their paymasters in Brussels with blanket smoking bans on the statute books, and then quietly tell the police to ignore any infractions of the law. Because I know that after an initial flurry of action when they (re)-instituted the ban a few years ago, things rapidly returned to business-as-usual, and as a resident, I can’t think of any bar or restaurant (apart from the very few that have always been non-smoking, regardless of bans) that doesn’t have ashtrays on the bar and tables and that pleasant, welcoming aroma of tobacco as you walk in. And not just bars etc, but also offices, both public and private. Unless the boss happens to be a non-smoker who prefers a smokeless office, there will be ashtrays on the desks. Even in doctor’s offices there is very often the smell of tobacco smoke, with some of them being sneaky and keeping the ashtray in the drawer (but the aroma gives them away), and others being unashamedly open about it, with the ashtray and packet of fags on full display on the desk.

    If the Greek government got heavy about the bans, I’m quite sure that they would end up with a lot more problems than they have already, and that they can do without. Because the Greeks, in particular, do not like their personal freedoms being interfered with.

  8. waltc says:

    Ukraine: Of course part of it’s that they want to join the EU where they can’t smoke either tho I don’t dismiss your theory out of hand and agree with Jax as to the link. But wonder why, under similar pressure, there hasn’t been rioting in the streets of London, Paris, New York etc. Maybe the rest of life is still too (relatively) good over here. Or maybe we’ve lost our balls.

    Speaking of which: (how’s that for a seque) I just read Harley’s link from yesterday about the feminizing of men, expecting it to be sane and finding instead a snarky, sneering, pc, Hillary-for-president article written by a guy who’s trying to show how “men” are oafish stereotypes and how he isn’t. (Goody for him.)

    The only thing I disagreed with in the quotes from Adams (who he quotes only to snipe at) is that men are being suppressed by women or that “it’s a hard time to be a man in today’s society.” BS. It may, in fact, be hard for elementary-school schoolboys who get dosed with ritalin or suspended from school for the crime of being elementary shoolboys, but grown men can only suppress themselves; blaming women is…well, unmanly as well as a phony copout. It also strikes me that if a guy wants to shave his body hair, get a shiny manicure, and learn to cook coquilles st jacques, he’s either doing it to get the girl in bed under the flag of his “contemporary” attitude, or he’s always been that kind of guy (which is fine with me; live and let), or he’s an other-directed self-suppressed wuss who one day might wind up shooting his wife and the mother-in-law she rode in on.

    Problems only arise for men in “today’s society” when a distorted and distrubed version of The Feminine coopts the pols and the legal system and we get the kind of laws that prohibit “hurtful” speech, or drawing pictures of Uzis, or saying “Nice sweater,” or smoking in the park. I do, however, note the increasing number of men who, all on their own, are becoming indefinite, over cautious, and eager to please anyone and everyone. I see them standing in front of apartment building doors or sitting on brownstone stoops to smoke their cigarettes and know that they’re only there because they’ve been bossed out of their digs by The Lady of the House (on the grounds of killing The Children or destroying the drapes–both of apparently equal importance) and constantly wonder what they’re so afraid of and, of greater importance, what happened to their spine.

    OTOH–guns and football aside–it occurs to me that the old idea of “manliness” has a moral and intellectual component, something to do with being principled, taking risks, sticking to your (real or metaphorical) guns, not suffering fools, standing up to (word of the week) “bullies” political and barnyard, and approaching things pragmatically. All of which are things good women can, and do, do too. E.g, the women who hang out here.

    • I think, Walt, that there are a few things going on. It seems to me that the media have been trying to portray men as wimps for the past couple of decades. At this side of the Pond we have TV advertisements where the ‘men’ are gibbering idiots acting like four year-olds, while the women are in control of the situation (just as well were the scenarios genuine).

      Infantilising men makes controlling us far easier. Eventually, taking guns will be like stealing candy from a baby.

      The gender-bender chemical in plastic bottles, Bisphenol A (BPA), along with media mind control is making men more effeminate. I wrote a blog post a few months ago about my fruitless task to try to buy an electric kettle with no plastic components inside, being subjected to the boiling water and causing you to ingest the chemicals leaching out. Even the metal kettles have a plastic water gauge gizmo inside.

      Deliberate?

      As an aside, BPA has been blamed on causing obesity, just like the aspartame inside the ‘healthy’ sugar-free contents.

      Society worked for thousands of years because men were men and women were glad of it, bringing their own special talents to a marriage.

      Making men wimps and turning teenagers sex mad so they find it hard to settle down and start a family and the ‘family planning’/Planned Parenthood indoctrination of the past few generations has resulted in small and dysfunctional families which is one of the primary causes of the collapse of Western society and people generally don’t have the strength of family, friends and like-minded neighbours on their side to stage a fight. That’s what I have found in my recent troubles. Nobody I know even has the intelligence left to understand basic concepts at times.

      The fight, intelligence and compassion have been hammered out. Yuri Bezmenov again – former KGB subversion agent – explains about the ‘demoralisation stage’ in bringing down a society.

      And of course, they got the women out to work too, so everyone’s shattered, the state’s ‘looking after’ the kids and people are staring at the TV screen for hours on end, semi comatose, their brains absorbing all the propaganda like a sponge while eating their TV dinners out of microwaved plastic containers, the gender-bending chemicals dancing the lambada with the artificial sweeteners, hyperactivity-inducing colourants, animal pieces that were pumped up on antibiotics, etc.

      • margo says:

        Sorry, Stuart, but I really think you should go and learn some social history. For instance, go and find out what happened to pregnant unmarried teenagers (and what a lot there were of them) before the 1970s.
        My great grandmother (mid 1800s) gave birth to fourteen children, five of whom died in childhood. She and all of them got beaten on a regular basis by their ‘manly’ father. This was all quite normal for the time.
        Your ‘golden age’ of happy families never existed, at least not for 90% of the population.

    • Frank Davis says:

      wonder why, under similar pressure, there hasn’t been rioting in the streets of London, Paris, New York etc.

      In Ukraine, over 60% of adult males are smokers. In Paris, New York, and London, 20% are.

      In one country they are a majority. And in the others they are a minority.

      That’s the complete explanation.

  9. Margo, your Pavlovian response is to assume that I think there was ever a “golden age”. What we are seeing now is a deliberate infantilising of the population and inducing gender confusion in youngsters to aid with depopulation and control.

    It is totally illogical to assume that being against one thing means you must be for something tangential.

    What I am saying is very different to the sentiments you are conveying. Not sure if you this means you would prefer a nation of effeminate men and a planet of childlike slaves or believe your ‘history’ books that before political correctness (ideological subversion) came along, men were always battering women.

    Growing up in the 60s and 70s I never once saw a man hit a woman or vice versa.

    • margo says:

      What I would really like, Stuart, since you’re wondering, is for us all to stop focusing on gender. I’d be happy with people just being whoever they are, dressing as they choose, behaving as they want to, loving whoever they want to, etc etc, without feeing these things have to be dictated by their anatomy.

      • prog says:

        Women have always figured in the control or prohibition of those things they believe to be immoral, sexist or unhealthy. Very often for good reasons. But, a few have abused the hard won empowerment gained in the second half of the 20th century and now all us (male or female) and paying the price. Usually for the sake of the fecking children. And I’m not a male chauvinist pig btw, it’s just (as Stewart alludes to) that most men have simply rolled over.

        One thing is pretty certain – without the abuse of feminism we would not be faced with smoking bans and all the other petty shit that is designed to make my and your lives a bloody misery. It almost seems to be revenge for former inequalities. Revenge certainly drives a lot of anti smoker sentiment though, admittedly, this if often sought by men (judging by comments on newspaper articles etc).

        • nisakiman says:

          ‘Gender Equality’ is an oxymoron. There never has been, nor will there ever be ‘gender equality’. What there should be is mutual respect. Respect for the differences that complement each other.

          It is the drive for ‘gender equality’ that is at the root of many problems that manifest themselves today. The sooner the PC crowd learn to celebrate the wonderful differences between man and woman, the sooner we can get back to a life not driven by hate and resentment.

          The feminist driven assumption that all men are dissolute brutes distorts reality, and if allowed to continue will cause irreparable damage to society.

        • Rose says:

          Believe it or not, in my youth there were only a very few times that a man spoke down to me as if I was some kind of halfwit, it always came as a surprise.

          Let’s not play to the divide and conquer tactics of the social engineers.

      • Edgar says:

        It’s true that we no longer live in the jungle. But it is never far away. To abandon the qualities resulting from millions of years of evolution because we think ourselves civilised seems, to me, rash. And dissolute.

        • Barry Homan says:

          I agree. I look around and all I see are a bunch of confused people who’ve sold their souls to political correctness, it’s like a drug. They just crave more of the same, like heroin.

          Everyone’s become unwitting slaves.

  10. Rose says:

    “Flooding in Somerset comes as no surprise as this report from last March shows UKIP MEP William Dartmouth advising that local rivers should be dredged.”

    And it does too.

    South west section of the Sunday Politics and he even mentions the now infamous EU directive.
    http://www.ukip.org/newsroom/news/1181-william-dartmouth-advised-on-dredging-a-year-before-devastating-floods-hit-somerset

  11. harleyrider1978 says:

    Buying smoking bans one town at a time! Louisville Mississippi

    Aldermen had several questions including method of enforcement, what constitutes private clubs, the inclusion of E-cigarettes and possible grants available if the city chose to go smoke-free.

    http://www.winwebnews.com/2014/02/city-of-louisville-considers-smoke-fee.html

  12. Frank Davis says:

    It may be that the Ukraine smoking ban isn’t being enforced.

    When the country’s new smoking legislation was first passed there was understandable chatter that enterprising militia men would be dinning out on champagne and caviar courtesy of the amount they could make in bribes collected from smokers caught in the act. But it seems that even Kyiv’s boys in blue can’t be bothered to reprimand private citizens for smoking. Bars and restaurants are of course a little different but then again, the tax police have always been that little more persuasive than the average policeman. The laws inactivity is the result of two considerations the first being the law itself, which in the grand tradition of Ukrainian legislation is confusing, contradictory, and down to the local authority to exercise as it sees fit. Is Kyiv tough or tolerant to smokers? Who knows, and that includes the police. The other reason is that the authorities, being smokers, probably have some sympathy for the very people they are supposedly meant to be rounding up.

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      Thanks Frank.

      • harleyrider1978 says:

        The other day the Nazis put out a you tube video saying the smoking ban was still being observed…………I gathered then it was put out as a propaganda piece as usual. Likely the same thing in Venezuella is going on too!

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