What a Bunch of Cnuts

Interesting article in Spiked.

Anti-tobacco Campaigners: What a Bunch of Cnuts.

The controversy over TV advertising for e-cigs shows that tobacco-control activists are more interested in lifestyle regulation than health.

‘Smoking is back’, seems to be the consensus on a new advertising campaign for e-cigarettes from a subsidiary of tobacco giant, BAT. The handwringing around the commercials only shows that anti-tobacco campaigners are not simply interested in banning the evil weed – they want to obliterate the very idea of smoking.

For the tobacco-control lobby, an advert like Dorff’s is an absolute nightmare. It makes no health claims. It is clearly targeted at adults. It plays to the fact that even smokers dislike aspects of old-fashioned cigarettes, and are happy to compromise in order to get most of the pleasure of smoking without the hassle or the irritation to others. And then – God forbid – it even plays to the annoyance of smokers at the health fanatics. The last thing smoke dodgers want is for anyone to be able to take their freedom back. Even the existence of the sanitised offer from Vype’s say-nothing advert is anathema.

This was made abundantly clear in a report published by Cancer Research UK last year, The marketing of electronic cigarettes in the UK. The authors are forced to admit that e-cigs ‘are accepted as being much safer than their conventional equivalents, so if smokers can be encouraged to switch there is the potential for significant public health gain’.

However, this message is quickly lost in a cloud of public-health cant. The threats, say the authors, include concerns that ‘hard-won tobacco-control policies (smokefree public places, the ad ban, age restricted sales, tobacco industry denormalisation, POS [point-of-sale] restrictions) are being undermined’ …

It’s not really that smoking is back. It’s that smoking is metamorphosing into vaping.

I hope vaping makes progress. But, unlike the guy in the ad, I don’t mind cigarette ash (it’s part of the cigarette experience to tap the ash off the end), and I don’t feel guilty about smoking real cigarettes.

And anyway I think I need the other 3999 chemicals that are in them.

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36 Responses to What a Bunch of Cnuts

  1. magnetic01 says:

    I can’t say that I care too much about the e-cigs/vaper cause. From what I’ve seen on e-cig blogs, it’s only a very, very small group that is not antismoking. The core of e-cig use is antismoking, able to parrot the standard slogans and statistics. It uses antismoking rhetoric to sell its wares. Vapers are typically ex-smokers. When they were smoking, they had lapped up all of the inflammatory propaganda and had become neurotic antismoking smokers. The e-cig has given these antismoking smokers a way of distancing themselves from the habit they despise. They’ve been “saved”. On some e-cig blogs they even keep track of how long each member has been smoke/cigarette-free – a “badge of accomplishment”.

    They are all antismoking – the long-time antismoking nutcases and the nouveaux vapers: Some just don’t want to see anything that remotely looks like smoking, some just want to sell – to their financial benefit – useless Pharma wares, and some just want to sell e-gizmos. The only thing that the e-gizmo has highlighted is that many in antismoking are financially compromised (i.e., to Big Pharma). But all of these groups line up squarely against smoke/smoking/smokers. Here’s to the neurotic bigots knocking each other out in their pitiful quest for world domination.

    • Mag, I think you need to look a bit more closely: yes, the early marketers were virulently antismoking in their rhetoric, and even the recent ones often have some degree of it in there, but a good number of the leading voices in the Vaper community have come to realize that “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” and have come to understand that if they don’t ally themselves with smokers they’re too small to have ANY hope of fighting the Antis.

      I wouldn’t count on a lot of them being more than “foul weather friends” who’d leave us in a flash if the Antis turned around and welcomed them, but for the moment we’ve got some good friends over in their camp. I think three separate vaping sites gave great reviews to TobakkoNacht even though only one chapter directly addressed vaping. Email me if you’d like to sign up to one of their newsletters.

      – MJM

      • prog says:

        Fair enough, but they can’t have it both ways. If they weren’t threatened, their feet would be firmly in the anti camp.

        As I see it there are at least three major reasons switch or dual use – to skirt round smoking bans, avoid being branded as filth and (perhaps most importantly) the belief that real smoking is killing them and (for some) that SHS is harming their loved ones and other non smokers.

        The last three are crucial in order to fulfil TC agenda.

        • beobrigitte says:

          Prog,
          Fair enough, but they can’t have it both ways. If they weren’t threatened, their feet would be firmly in the anti camp.

          In these times the anti camp dictates saleability of articles that people enjoy…..
          Indeed, initially I resented e-cigs due to their manufacturers sales slogans being taken from ASH et al.

          As I see it there are at least three major reasons switch or dual use – to skirt round smoking bans, avoid being branded as filth and (perhaps most importantly) the belief that real smoking is killing them and (for some) that SHS is harming their loved ones and other non smokers.

          – Skirting around smoking bans by using e-cigs is not possible. E-cig users are kicked out (around here) everywhere along with us smokers.

          – To avoid being branded as filth is not a driving force, either. Again, there might be a geographical difference; in general (around here) this happens only on the internet.

          – The belief, drip fed over years, that smoking kills them and that passive smoke is harming their loved ones and other non-smokers, however is most likely to be the reason for switching tobacco for e-cigs.

          I have become a dual user for the already stated reason: This government opened the door for the most hated people in this country to invade MY PRIVATE property, so I decided to stop buying tobacco in England. I stretch my tobacco supply with e-cigs.

          [On my recent trip to Austria I was taken by a non-smoker to pubs that have ASHTRAYS on tables; to a shopping mall that has a SMOKER’S cafe and well stacked TOBACCONISTS. If there were medals for money spending – I’d have won the gold that week!!!
          This non-smoker does not believe one word uttered by tobacco control & friends and will ALWAYS supply me with an ashtray. Unfortunately I also know that she does not like the smell of cigarette smoke. (She is ok-ish with tobacco; branded cigs are her nightmare)
          It was MY choice to use an e-cig while I stayed with her. For me it was an experiment. I did try 4 different ones and the two that produced copious amounts of “smoke” were my favourites. (I did, however, forget about a charger…… Pitfall for beginners!!! )]

        • cherie79 says:

          What are the best ones you can recommend? I am planning a visit to Canada and have heard they are even worse than here.

        • beobrigitte says:

          Cherie, I visited Massachusetts last year and expected a few fights over my smoking. Instead I got from the locals (and an 88 year old lady) instructions where I can get cigarettes for half the price. I also was offered at least twice/day $1 for a cigarette when we went out…

          I hope you are in for the same pleasant surprise.

          E-cigs. I have settled for E-Lites. (Just don’t go for the nicotine free ones – they are AWFUL!!! I expected cherry etc. flavour – got plastic instead!!!)
          They produce a good amount of “smoke”.

          I would like to try these “Blu” e-cigs – but there is no english website for them yet.

    • beobrigitte says:

      I can’t say that I care too much about the e-cigs/vaper cause. From what I’ve seen on e-cig blogs, it’s only a very, very small group that is not antismoking.

      It annoyed me initially!
      But then, I did spot the anti-smokers trying to wind up the vapers against the smokers and vice versa. It seems that the anti-smoking advocates HATE smokers and vapers agreeing; especially since they launch one attack after the other on BOTH.

      The pharmaceutical industry (anti-smokers’ “friend”) in the meantime finds it’s deal with the anti-smokers going pear shaped. Their NRT products’ profit, pretty useless from the start to begin with, is suffering from the FREE e-cig trade.

  2. harleyrider1978 says:

    As Leggy calls em ELECTRO-FAGS! I cant stand em and never even tried one!

    Of course Im a PURIST!

  3. harleyrider1978 says:

    You know its getting bad when the NAZIS want us to pay to be brainwashed…………
    Reach Healthy Communities will offer a community-based smoking cessation class this year. The class, which is funded through the Bartholomew County Health Department, is an eight-week program that will start April 9. It meets once a week from 6 to 7:30 p.m. at Our Hospice of South Central Indiana. Cost of the class is $35.

    http://www.therepublic.com/view/local_story/Health-department-plans-smokin_1392947510

    • beobrigitte says:

      Pre-registration and payment for the class is preferred. There is a minimum of at least eight participants for the class to take place.

      Good luck with that.
      (Just curious, how many re-fills for an e-cig can you get in the States for $35?)

  4. beobrigitte says:

    Has smoking ever gone away? (Have I missed something?)

    We all endured years of “passive-smoking-deaths” and health pornography printed on cigarette/tobacco packets and have become pretty immune to it. Perhaps this is partly due to that we all personally do not know (of) a person around us who has died of “passive smoke inhalation” as well as an illness caused by tobacco use ALONE.

    This “tobacco-is-the-cause-of-all-evil” propaganda has been overused and lost it’s effect a while ago. Nevertheless, the constant sprinkling of health scares seeds induced an insecurity and people thought/think that they “better had” given up smoking. A lot of them went to smoking cessation classes and found themselves on REAL health risk tablets, or on useless chewing gum, patches and plastic nicotine supplying things (naturally, smokeless!).

    I believe e-cigs have been around for quite some time – people just stuck with their cigarettes. The anti-smoking propaganda fired up a market for e-cigs – the anti-smoking advocates are wringing their hands: “We don’t want smokers to be part of society, even if they use an e-cig!!!” they wail and whinge and whine. “We HATE SMOKERS!!!! They have to DIE, so we will invent health scares about the e-cigarette. After all, VAPING REMINDS PEOPLE OF SMOKING!!!!”

    In the meantime, the number of e-cigarette manufacturers is growing and the pharmaceutically produced NRT can be placed next to the unused swine flu vaccine that our government bought as “experts” were stating that there was an “epidemic”.
    I believe that this country could do with businesses doing well, surely it makes no sense to destroy a free e-cig trade, does it? But then, I have seen our government falling for the most idiotic anti-smokers’ propaganda….

    At this point in time I have decided to no longer buy my tobacco in this country. I am lucky enough to travel fairly often and to have people visiting me. In order to make my tobacco last, I use an e-cig.
    If more people did this, the anti-smokers would proudly announce that the high taxes “work” and that the number of smokers has fallen, whilst the government has yet another headache to deal with. Hit the anti-smokers with increasing fuel prices!!!! (Yes, it hits us, too, but since I go out a lot less these days I use my car a lot less!!)
    Perhaps it is a good idea to also stash e-cigs – expect the “sin” tax to be applied there pretty soon, too!!! Regardless of the fact that they produce NO “deadly” passive smoke. Wasn’t it the “deadly” passive smoke that dictated the smoking ban??? What health scare causes the vapers to be “exiled to the outdoors”?
    Perhaps we all should be more resilient to health scares…..

    • Rose says:

      This “tobacco-is-the-cause-of-all-evil” propaganda has been overused and lost it’s effect a while ago

      It still seems to work very well on some.

      European Commission to take legal action against Britain over high levels of dangerous gas
      20 February 2014

      “The UK is facing fines of up to £300m a year over its failure to cut levels of a gas that are believed to cause premature death and affect the growth of children’s lungs.”

      “The European Commission said that it was taking legal action against Britain because it had not come up with a plan to get the amount of nitrogen dioxide – produced mainly by diesel vehicles – below agreed limits.”

      “The UK has not presented any such plan for the zones in question. The Commission is therefore of the opinion that the UK is in breach of its obligations under the directive,” it said.
      http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/european-commission-to-take-legal-action-against-britain-over-high-levels-of-dangerous-gas-9142478.html

      Fear of political embarrassment led to government cover up of link between air pollution and lung cancer

      “Delegates attending an international conference in London today to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Great London Smog of 1952, which caused an estimated 12,000 deaths, will hear how governments from the late 50s onwards deliberately downplayed the huge threat to public health caused by air pollution, and sought to shift the blame firmly onto cigarette smoking instead”
      http: //www.lshtm.ac.uk/pressoffice/press_releases/2002/smogpollution.html

      Lords vote to ban motorists from smoking in cars carrying children
      29 January 2014
      http: //www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/lords-vote-to-ban-motorists-from-smoking-in-cars-carrying-children-9094483.html

      1974
      “The tobacco industry is becoming increasingly disturbed by industries which are using smoking as a cover-up for their problems in complying with the Clean Air Act and the Occupational Health and Safety Act. Tobacco executives have noted efforts by the oil industry, the automobile industry and others to hide their pollution behind a tobacco smoke screen”

      “The membership of the NCAB and the President’s Cancer Panel lends credibility to the tobacco industry’s fears.
      At the least there is ground for an appearance of possible conflict of interest.

      For example:
      Benno Schmidt; Chairman of the President’s Cancer Panel, is on the Board of Directors of four oil companies.

      Jonathan Rhoads is a past president of the American Cancer Society, which GM tycoons Alfred P. Sloan and Charles Kettering set up and nurtured.In the early 1950’s the ACS was looking at both cigarette smoking and air pollution as possible causes of lung cancer, but soon dropped air pollution as a target.

      Phillipe Shubik of the Eppley Institute, has viciously attacked the tobacco industry, saying that any scientist accepting industry funds is a “prostitute”. Yet, Shubik has received grants from the American Petroleum Institute, and also the food industry, it is rumored.

      Lawrence Rockefeller’s membership on NCAB could raise the question of undue oil industry influence
      http://tobaccodocuments.org/ti/TIMN0141199-1201.html

      I’m getting rather tired of being used as a scapegoat for Big Oil, surely 60 years is enough.

      “I shall have a Rockefeller Scholar in my department who might be used on it at little cost. A much better alternative would be Richard Doll who has been employed by the Council in the survey of peptic ulcer (sic) in industry and which is coming to an end I believe.I do know he is interested in cancer of the lung and I regard him as a very good worker to whom it is well worth while giving a wider experience in medical statistical work with an eye to the future.”

      “Ware agreed, and the formal paper to the Council on the study included ‘the appointment from January 1st, 1948 and, in the first place, for one year of W R S Doll, MD MRCP, to organise and direct the investigation at a part-time salary of £600 per annum’
      http: //www.denialdelay.org.uk/prologue.htm

      Interestingly, back then they thought that sunlight might be preventative.

      Lung cancer ‘link to lack of sun’ – 2007

      “Lack of sunlight may increase the risk of lung cancer, a study suggests.
      Researchers found lung cancer rates were highest in countries furthest from the equator, where exposure to sunlight is lowest.

      It is thought vitamin D – generated by exposure to sunlight – can halt tumour growth by promoting the factors responsible for cell death in the body.”
      http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7145080.stm

      • ““The UK is facing fines of up to £300m a year over its failure to cut levels of a gas that are believed to cause premature death and affect the growth of children’s lungs. … The European Commission said that it was taking legal action against Britain because it had not come up with a plan to get the amount of nitrogen dioxide – produced mainly by diesel vehicles – below agreed limits.”

        Nitrogen Dioxide eh? Back around ten years ago I ran figures from the FTC and FAA and SGR and came out with the interesting fact that the average large airport produces the same amount of Nitrogen Dioxide as eight and a half BILLION cigarettes…. EVERY DAY! That’s based on 500 medium/large jet takeoffs per day.

        – MJM

      • beobrigitte says:

        It still seems to work very well on some.

        Rose, you are right. These days I have the BEST EVER point I can make when talking to people in REAL life:
        “Hmmmmm, so you do actually BELIEVE this nonsense? Just a question: WHY are the VAPERS then kicked out? I thought we had the smoking ban because of this ultra-hyper-supersonic-dangerous “passive smoke”….. ??”

        I hope that each day the bunch of people I talk to goes home with the seed of questions in their mind.

        Michael,
        Nitrogen Dioxide eh? Back around ten years ago I ran figures from the FTC and FAA and SGR and came out with the interesting fact that the average large airport produces the same amount of Nitrogen Dioxide as eight and a half BILLION cigarettes…. EVERY DAY! That’s based on 500 medium/large jet takeoffs per day.

        You are only mentioning the take offs – add the planes landing!!! Back trusts ….

        • Sorry! I meant take-off landing cycles but shortened it to take-offs with the thought that most of the fuel spent would be on building up speed. I’d forgotten about back thrust! Still, I’d guess that back thrust is relatively minor since so much of the decrease in air speed comes from the aerolons(?) etc that are tilted to increase wind resistance (plus, wind resistance in general helps slow the plane while it resists the plane’s takeoff acceleration) (and then there’s that whole gravity thing of lifting the heavily fueled plane “up, up, and away”!

          I calculated those figures about 10 years ago, but I’d guess that they’ve stayed roughly the same for an “average large airport” since air travel has increased steadily to counteract any increased fuel efficiencies.

          :>
          MJM

        • beobrigitte says:

          Michael, if you look at various airports, you’ll find that a lot of them have an absolute minimum on starting/landing “space”.
          Prime example = Paphos (Cyprus). I most certainly enjoy landing there!!! Starting is even better!!!
          The next airport (I believe recently re-opened) has the same problem.
          Many years later in 1971, the runway for the airport was reinforced, but then in 1977, tragedy occurred on the 27 March when a PanAm and a KLM Boeing 747 collided. 583 people were killed in what was reported as the worst accident that had ever taken place in the history of aviation.
          Needless to say – Next time I go to visit a relative living in Puerto-de-la-Cruz I shall fly there. It’s so much easier to get to Puerto de la Cruz from there. And back-thrust landings are AWESOME!

  5. harleyrider1978 says:

    Anti-smoking enforcer
    shot dead in Dumaguete
    BY JUDY F. PARTLOW

    Dumaguete police investigators are eyeing several motives for the fatal shooting of an anti-smoking law enforcer, assigned to the Task Force Special Action Group Advocating Rapid Reforms, at about 12:30 p.m. Wednesday.

    Supt. James Goforth, Dumaguete police chief, said Pedro Miquiabas Jr., 41, of Barangay Candauay in Dumaguete, was on his motorcycle on his way home when he was shot from behind by a lone suspect, also on motorcycle, in Purok 5, Brgy. Batinguel.

    Miquiabas sustained multiple gunshot wounds, and was rushed to the Holy Child Hospital but was declared dead on arrival, he added.

    Crime scene operatives recovered around five spent shells of a 9 millimeter pistol at the crime scene, investigation showed.

    Goforth and City Administrator William Ablong, TF SAGARR ground commander, said they believe Miquiabas’s death was related to the illegal drugs trade.

    Miquiabas is the fourth shooting victim in Dumaguete in February alone. The other three cases were also drug-related, Goforth said.

    The city government provided financial and burial assistance to the family of Miquiabas.

    Police investigation showed that, based, on the testimonies of the victim’s family and some witnesses, a possible “third party” is also being eyed as potential motive for the killing, he added.

    Ablong believes Miquiabas’s death is not related to his job.

    Miquiabas was a quiet, soft-spoken and obedient worker, and known by his co-workers to be careful who avoids trouble when going after those violating the anti-smoking ordinance, he said.

    The Dumaguete City Peace and Order Council held a special emergency meeting yesterday afternoon to discuss ways on how to improve the city’s safety and security measures, he added.*JFP

    http://www.visayandailystar.com/2014/February/21/negor1.htm

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  7. harleyrider1978 says:

    you want something to read and puke over

    http://kalimna.blogspot.com/2007/09/health-nazis-got-it-right.html

    I cant believe this guys even allowed to exist. The lies he tells and the SPIN

    • beobrigitte says:

      Harley, great find!!!!

      Mϋller was a Nazi although his pioneering study was free of Nazi rhetoric.
      The Schairer/ SchÖniger work was done at University of Jena under arch-Nazi Karl Astel who suicided in April 1945. It was a very careful statistical study of the connection between cancer and smoking. These investigators were Nazis.

      Think about this…..

      • harleyrider1978 says:

        ne particularly vile individual, Karl Astel — upstanding president of Jena University, poisonous anti-Semite, euthanasia fanatic, SS officer, war criminal and tobacco-free Germany enthusiast — liked to walk up to smokers and tear cigarettes from their unsuspecting mouths. (He committed suicide when the war ended, more through disappointment than fear of hanging.) It comes as little surprise to discover that the phrase “passive smoking” (Passivrauchen) was coined not by contemporary American admen, but by Fritz Lickint, the author of the magisterial 1100-page Tabak und Organismus (“Tobacco and the Organism”), which was produced in collaboration with the German AntiTobacco League.

        http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id1.html

      • harleyrider1978 says:

        Beo after you read the horse shit the asshole writes you come to find out everything in todays anit-smoking movement comes str8 from Hitlers playbook CARBON COPIES

  8. smokingscot says:

    Happy 66th Frank.

  9. cherie79 says:

    What I don’t get is why they refuse to believe we smoke because we enjoy it, we don’t want to stop. All the threats in the world won’t make us stop, we have heard them all before and long ago stopped listening. We buy our tobacco products abroad to deny them tax revenue, shop less, spend less so who gains?

    • beobrigitte says:

      Yep. We have listened long ago. Well, at least I have. And I have become IMMUNE to the anti-smoking blabb.
      I hate shopping and used to only survive it with numerous coffee&cig breaks. Now I simply don’t shop. (Apart from last month in Austria – shopping mall had SMOKER cafe – I just went along with my host and needed in the end a second, BIG suitcase to check in on my flight back. The only place I did not spent money was the restaurant on the piste; the owner chose “Smoker-free” – and I said: “ok then. I’ll have a meal in the restaurant at the village” and left. It felt GREAT!!!

      • cherie79 says:

        Sounds wonderful, nice to know some countries are still civilised, wonder why we went over the top. I was last in Austria in the 80s looks like it might be time for another visit.

        • beobrigitte says:

          I can only recommend it!!! I hugged every ashtray on a table!!!! (And then explained to staff and everyone around us what the smoking ban has done to pubs here!!!)

          If you go there in Winter, you MUST do the tobogganing a few km down a hill. You pay for your sledge at the bottom, a taxi driver (who will also give you Schnaps!) takes you up the hill and off you go. After that it is ‘apres sledge’ in the local bar with ASHTRAYS on tables.

          It was HEAVEN!!!

  10. harleyrider1978 says:

    Well Frank Happy Birthday…………………….!

  11. harleyrider1978 says:

    Just got a hand written letter from my legislator Wilson Stone he says the ban will not pass this year they couldn’t garner enuf votes. I gather Susan Westrom was only able to truly put together about 30 votes for it against the 46 she claimed……….

    In fact she was so quick to garner support she amended her own bill to allow for private clubs and tobacco stores from the law……….She did that the day before it was announced to go to a vote. She failed to recognize this year every legislator is up for reelection. It means if we can keep it out next year its likely totally dead forever as a new governor will be elected in 2015 and Beshear gone.

    The next Govenor from what Ive seen banteed about are against any bans………..

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