A New Public Health Time Bomb

Guess what it is this time. Smoking? Alcohol? Diet? Nope, none of them. It’s unemployed youth:

Young people who are not in employment or education in Britain are “a public health time bomb waiting to explode,” the World Health Organisation has said.

‘Neets’ – or young people not in employment, education or training – were likely to have worse health than their employed counterparts and the Government needed to act to ensure health inequality does not become entrenched, the authors of a report by the organisation claimed.

No doubt buoyed by their successes with tobacco, alcohol, and diet, public health zealots are now moving into overtly political territory.

“Unemployment may be falling in the UK, but persistent high levels of the number of young people over 18 not in employment, education or training is storing up a public health time bomb waiting to explode,” said Professor Sir Michael Marmont, who chaired the study.

Unemployment is now a public health concern.

“Health inequality, arising from social and economic inequalities, are socially unjust, unnecessary and avoidable, and it offends against the human right to health.”

Wealth inequality = health inequality.  Or wealth = health. A debate about social justice that used to be conducted in the political arena has been transferred to the public health arena. Politics has been medicalised. Or, same thing, medicine has been politicised.

And you now have a right to be wealthy healthy. Did you know that? And if somebody else is wealthier healthier than you are, it’s not fair.

Who’s Sir Michael Marmont? He seems to be another one of those doctors who never actually practised medicine in any meaningful way.

MarmotPodcastPhotoMichael Marmot was born in London, England. He moved to Australia as a young child, attending Sydney Boys High School (1957-1961)[1] and graduated in medicine from the University of Sydney in 1968. He earned a MPH in 1972 and PhD in 1975 from the University of California, Berkeley.

Marmot became Fellow of the (English) Faculty of Public Health Medicine in 1989 and was appointed Professor of Epidemiology and Public Health at UCL in 1985. This became a joint Chair, held at UCL and the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, in 1990. He became Director of the International Centre for Health and Society (now the International Institute for Society and Health) that he established at UCL in 1994. He was a member of the Royal Commission on Environmental Pollution and awarded an MRC Professorship in 1995. He was elected as a Fellow of the Royal College of Physicians in 1996. In 2004 he was awarded the Balzan Prize for Epidemiology. He was Chair of the WHO Commission on Social Determinants of Health from 2005 to 2008.

I wonder what his views are on the exclusion and demonisation of smokers ?

In The Status Syndrome: How your social standing directly affects your health and life expectancy, he argues that socio-economic position is an important determinant for health outcomes. This result holds even if we control for the effects of income, education and risk factors (such as smoking) on health. The causal pathway Marmot identifies concerns the psychic benefits of “being in control” of one’s life. Autonomy in this sense is related to our socio-economic position. Based on comparative studies, Marmot argues that we can make our society more participatory and inclusive in order to increase overall public health.

So excluded and demonised smokers can be expected to now enjoy, as second or third class citizens, even worse health than they did before. And indeed they do. But no doubt any decline in their health will be blamed on their smoking habits rather than social exclusion.

Is there anything that is outside the remit of Public Health? I can’t think of anything which doesn’t have health consequences of one sort other. So why not just close down all the other government ministries, and replace them all with a single Department of Health?


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26 Responses to A New Public Health Time Bomb

  1. harleyrider1978 says:

    NEW YORK: NYC council votes to make tobacco-buying age 21 | Business | CentreDaily.com


    • beobrigitte says:

      Harley, correct me if I’m wrong. The legal age for marriage is 16 years of age.
      Excuse me?

      • harleyrider1978 says:

        Legal age of concent laws for sex is a state law as far as marriage under the age of 17 I think but then again that’s a state law. Federal government has no legal age of consent on federal property.

    • Emily says:

      The “smoker” quoted in that article rankled me more than anything else:

      “Smoker Stephen McGorry, 25, agreed with that view as he took a drag outside a midtown Manhattan bar.
      “It just makes it harder for young people to smoke,” said McGorry, who started lighting up at 19. He added that had the age been 21 when he took up the habit, “I guarantee I wouldn’t be smoking today.””

      For one thing, this makes so sense. Why would he not still be smoking today if he had taken it up two years later? What a load.

  2. beobrigitte says:

    One question:
    HOW can these youngsters get a job when people are required to work past the age of 60?

    I am more than willing to give up my position to a youngster in 4 years. But I have been told the rest of my life I will be financially penalized for that.

  3. harleyrider1978 says:

    “Unemployment may be falling in the UK

    Unemployment isn’t falling its going up,the governments of the world only keep tabs on those drawing the benefit check of the unemployed. After it runs out your dropped off the official Unemployment figure………..

  4. junican says:

    Regardless of the situation in New York, Cousin Harley, the important thing here is that this guy’s opinion conflicts with the opinion of the CEO of Public Health England and the opinion of the Sec of State for Health. Both of those people have said that loneliness is a killer.
    This guy is saying that a youth of 20 years of age who is unable to get a job will become ill. By ill, I mean almost disabled.
    To me, his ‘speech’ is just another example of ‘one size fits all’ – totalitarianism. It is just another example of the inadequacies of epidemiology.

  5. Seems there’s a lot of political mileage to be had from “health care”. That’s why Obama’s handlers have ordered him down the road of socialised health control.

    The UK people trust the NHS to look after them from pre-natal to coffin material (or pre-pre-natal with IVF, etc and post-coffin with transplants). They bring forth our children (the ones they haven’t terminated, incl. disabled babies up to the point of birth) and inject them with dozens of vaccines as infants (how many parents find out what is in those vaccines? It would scare them to death, so it’s blind trust all the way with most people).

    So if social inequalities lead to poorer health and that is unfair then the smoking ban, which has induced loneliness, is unfair. And It sends people into the cold for a smoke, thus increasing their chance of being made ill or even attacked or have an accident – totally avoidable, to use one of Marmont’s own words,

    “Health inequality, arising from social and economic inequalities, are socially unjust, unnecessary and avoidable, and it offends against the human right to health.”

    But making it more difficult for people to meet and talk is all part of the strategy for total political control.

    And I *know* from recent experiences how little the DoH (Government) and thus health boards and GPs really do care about health and it is next to zero. Even with a Tory politician helping me (amazingly, my constituency MSP is a Tory) there was no chance of getting things done the way they were done a decade ago. That’s all I wanted – the same treatment as I received actually, less than ten years ago, but new DoH rules mean ‘no’ and doctors are literally terrified of breaking these new commandments. One helped me out one time and was clearly shaken in doing so.

    It seems to me that the banned list of medicines is all political. The most effective painkillers have been withdrawn because a few people used them to commit suicide, so now millions have to suffer extra pain. Benzodiazepines are given for a few weeks maximum, despite there being a strong case for longer term use – because they are “addictive”. Even 100s of herbal remedies are now banned (via the UN and EU), which are not known to have harmed anyone, but they keep people away from the NHS and the Pharmers.

    Then at the end of your days, you play Russian roulette with the NHS. Will you be left on a trolley marinading in your own juices? Will you be put on the LCP and be denied food and drink even when you cry out for something? Will you catch a deadly bug?

    Or will you be treated like my 92 year-old grandmother was eight years ago. She was taken by family members to her GP and the A&E many times during the last few weeks of her life because she couldn’t walk three steps without being totally exhausted and clearly in great distress, gasping for breath. She had hitherto been the fittest person over 80 I had ever known. Never used a stick and could keep up a good walking pace.

    But all the “experts” said it was “all in her mind”. Time after time after time, every few days. After those few agonising weeks, she died of a blood clot on heart and lungs.

    The family went to the local paper with the story, but they wouldn’t go with it, as they had printed an almost identical one a few months earlier. Even more reason to expose these charlatans in print.

    I’m just getting a few things off my chest before I start work at nine.

    Basically, people are trusting an army of politically-motivated and fearful government employees whose compassion seems largely to have deserted them and who don’t have the time for people, such is their schedule of meetings and dishing out propaganda.

    Now, it’s nine and I’ll pour another tea. Life without the NHS? I’ll drink to that.

    • Sorry, my point about banning effective medication is because (in these two cases) the more people that are kept in pain and anxiety, the less trouble they are to our rulers. Same with making sure there aren’t enough hours in the day for most folk, so they invented feminism to (amongst other things) convince women that a “career” on a supermarket checkout is preferable to bringing up a big happy family and looking after the children when they get home from indoctrination camp and hubby when he gets home from work.

  6. Rose says:

    Who’s Sir Michael Marmot?

    Professor Marmot is the bacon man!

    ‘Ban bacon’ say cancer experts – 2007

    “HAM and bacon should be cut from our diets to avoid the risk of bowel cancer, a landmark study has shown.
    Survey chair Sir Michael Marmot, professor of epidemiology and public health at University College London, was surprised at these findings.
    He also suggested the direct link between increased weight and increased cancer risk was even stronger than the link between cigarettes and cancer:

    “With smoking, we know that if you smoke you increase your risk, but most smokers in the end don’t get cancer, so it’s not a one-to-one relation,” he explained.

    “With obesity it is very clear and it is a graded phenomenon. The more overweight you are, the more obese you are, the higher the risk of cancer.”

    Unless there’s two of them.

  7. ptbarnumthe2nd says:

    A human right to health? So that means I either need one of those ambulance-chasing lawyers, or I’m not human. Do these people ever listen to what they’re saying? Given the WHO’s definition of health, this means every disabled person’s health rights are being perpetually violated. By nature? By the NHS? Good grief.

  8. Frank J says:

    Whoops! I think somebody will, quickly, tell Marmot to keep quiet. He’s letting the Genie out of the bottle. It’s far too soon to come clean on their real motives.

    I’ve never doubted the motives from the first talk of fag bans. What do we think these old Soviet and Eastern European ‘politicians’ did after ’91? Retire, gracefully, to a nursing home in Weston-super-Mare or Odessa? Ha! Marxism today at its best!

  9. Jonathan Bagley says:

    Do Australians need to be interfering twats to get UK work visas? There seem to be a hell of a lot of them in the UK Public Health Industry. Or did Shane Warne drum them all out of Australia, reverse convict boat style?

  10. harleyrider1978 says:


    Stop, Question and Frisk: The NYC Council is Way Out of Bounds on Anti-Smoking Measures
    Here the anti-smoker crusaders, politicians, or any other special interest of note are stopped in their tracks, questioned about their behavior, and frisked

  11. harleyrider1978 says:

    The president’s signature legislation — his legacy, if you will — is ObamaCare. This massive health insurance legislation, taking over one-sixth of the American economy, was forced on the nation through a straight party-line vote. While the president constantly chided the Congress for not “negotiating” or being unwilling to be “bipartisan,” President Obama himself was unwilling to talk with Republicans and repeatedly stated that “He Won” the election and “shouldn’t have to offer anything.”

    The president has engaged in a pattern of lying to the American public. He has often repeated the ObamaCare mantra, “We will keep this promise to the American people. If you like your doctor you will be able to keep your doctor. Period. If you like your healthcare plan, you will be able to keep your healthcare plan. Period.” He added, “Nothing in our plan requires you to change what you have.” Now, NBC News, no less, informs Americans that the president knew that he was not telling the truth about his healthcare plan. The NBC report quoted healthcare experts who expect more than half and perhaps as many as 80 percent of those with individual plans will have their policies terminated and have to buy new policies with expanded coverage they don’t need or desire due to the requirements of ObamaCare. So how many single 27-year-old guys really need a policy that covers maternity costs?

    Bob Woodward, one of the journalists famed for breaking the Watergate story, called the Obama Administration a “rat’s nest of concealment and lies” and described it as a “secret government.” That secret activity includes using the Internal Revenue Service to spy on and intimidate opponents. After he spoke at the National Prayer Breakfast, including critical remarks about President Obama’s leadership, the famous Johns Hopkins neurosurgeon Benjamin Carson joined a long line of conservative who have been audited by the IRS

    Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/10/the_facade_cracks_at_last.html#ixzz2jIw9qVo1
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  12. harleyrider1978 says:



    Kennesaw city council changes plans for smoking ban | 11alive.com

    KENNESAW, Ga. — The Kennesaw City Council changed plans for an all-out smoking ban for public places.

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      Republican City Councilwoman Chris Eaton-Welsh has been taking heat for the proposal. She’s been called a socialist, a communist, and Obama’s best friend. Her efforts to help pass a ban county-wide have failed so far.

      “Unfortunately, we couldn’t get anyone in Cobb county to touch it, so we thought maybe we would try in Kennesaw to start there and maybe move up towards the county,” she said.

  13. harleyrider1978 says:

    socialist, a communist, and Obama’s best friend.

    ok so they missed my other name for her too a NAZI!

  14. harleyrider1978 says:

    An Kentucky Highway Patrol officer stops a HarleyRider for traveling faster than the posted speed limit. He starts the stop by asking the biker his name. Harley,’ he replies. ‘Harley what?’ the officer asks. ‘Just Harley,’ the man responds. The officer, in a good mood, thinks he might just give the harleyrider a break, and write him out a warning instead of a ticket. The officer presses him for the last name. The man tells him that he used to have a last name but lost it. The officer thinks that he has a nut case on his hands but plays along with it. ‘Tell me, Harley, how did you lose your last name?’ The biker replies, ‘It’s a long story, so stay with me. I was born Harley Rider. I studied hard and got good grades. When I got older, I realized that I wanted to be a doctor. I went through college, medical school, internship, residency, and finally got my degree, so I was Harley Rider, MD. After a while I got bored being a doctor, so I decided to go back to school. Dentistry was my dream! Got all the way through School, got my degree, so then I was Harley Rider, MD, DDS. Got bored doing dentistry, so I started fooling around with my assistant and she gave me VD, so now I was Harley Rider, MD, DDS, with VD. Well, the ADA found out about the VD, so they took away my DDS. Then I was Harley Rider, MD, with VD. Then the AMA found out about the ADA taking away my DDS because of the VD, so they took away my MD leaving me as Harley Rider with VD. Then the VD took away my Rider, so now I am Just Harley.’ The officer walked away in tears, laughing.

  15. Yep it’s a U.N. thing.Is there nothing the U.N. can’t stick their noses into?

    Click to access e81384.pdf

    Looks like they would like everyone to be employed even if it means cutting the hours of every human being who works.

  16. harleyrider1978 says:


    Smoking ban to begin at maternity hospitals

    Smoking is to be banned from the grounds of Dublin’s three main maternity hospitals from tomorrow, meaning smokers will have to go off-site for a cigarette.

    The ban, which will apply to pregnant women, new mothers, visitors and staff, is being enforced at the Rotunda Hospital, Coombe Hospital and the National Maternity Hospital at Holles Street in Dublin city.

    Dr Sam Coulter-Smith, master of the Rotunda Hospital, yesterday helped to demolish the smoking hut on the hospital grounds and said women who wanted to smoke would have to go on to the street.

    Although the hospital will offer women support and provide guidance on how to give up, he said it could not afford to stock nicotine replacement patches for those who need relief for cravings.

    “We will be doing our best to support people but we don’t have the money in our budget for that,” he said.


    “People will be supported by staff at their outpatient visits and will be shown where they can go for help,” he added.

    Dr Coulter-Smith, who has repeatedly highlighted the funding, staff and infrastructure pressures on the hospital, said “money has not followed the patient” despite the high birth numbers.

    Smoking is the biggest cause of ill-health and death in Ireland.

    It can seriously affect both a woman’s own health and her baby’s development.

  17. harleyrider1978 says:

    Although the hospital will offer women support and provide guidance on how to give up, he said it could not afford to stock nicotine replacement patches for those who need relief for cravings.

    Sorta says it all, smoking cessation is bankrupt so the Nazis turn into sledge swinging prohibitionists like those in 1919 busting up barrels of whiskey only this time its a smoking shelter!

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