Safe As Milk

Couple of things I’ve noticed in the past week. Firstly, H/T Dick Puddlecote for Cancer risk of two beers a year. And H/T Chris Snowdon, two prototype alcohol warnings.


The images are fairly mild, but once in place on the wine bottle label, it will be no trouble at all to ratchet up the level of primitive fear and hatred and disgust – simply by enlarging the images until the brand name is barely visible, and the entire label consists, say, of a repellent image of a grinning fly-blown corpse with one eye being eaten by maggots.  Or a pool of vomit. Or a heap of dung. Or whatever else might induce strong feelings of nausea, and make you not want to buy it.

The packaging will come complete with its obscene graffiti. In fact, the packaging will have become the graffiti.

And why stop with images? Why not add some repulsive odour as well? So that when you buy a bottle of Cote de Rhone Villages, it smells of urine. And it continues smelling strongly of urine once it has been opened and is sitting in the middle of the dining room table.

The ‘workshop presentation’ that offered the above prototype health warnings, also offered advice about the difference between milk and alcohol.


I wonder if the cancer and 60 other diseases that alcohol ’causes’ are the same ones that tobacco causes? I wouldn’t be a bit surprised.

And is milk that harmless? Pasteurisation, after all, reduces the number of pathogens in milk, which rather strongly suggests that there are pathogens in unpasteurised milk to start with. In addition, many people are lactose intolerant. Symptoms of which are abdominal bloating and cramps, flatulence, diarrhea, nausea, borborygmi (rumbling stomach) and vomiting. So wouldn’t it be appropriate to cover milk bottles with pictures of vomit, and have them stink of diarrhea? And anyway, aren’t more and more people shifting away from the whole milk depicted above, towards skimmed or semi-skimmed milk, because it’s ‘healthier’? After all,


*ALL* cow’s milk (regular and ‘organic’) has 59 active hormones, scores of allergens, fat and cholesterol.

Most cow’s milk has measurable quantities of herbicides, pesticides, dioxins (up to 200 times the safe levels), up to 52 powerful antibiotics (perhaps 53, with LS-50), blood, pus, feces, bacteria and viruses. (Cow’s milk can have traces of anything the cow ate… including such things as radioactive fallout from nuke testing … (the 50’s strontium-90 problem).

Last I heard, radioactive fallout causes cancer. So if milk contains radioactive fallout, then milk must be carcinogenic. And the more milk you drink, the more likely you are to get stomach cancer or bladder cancer. Q.E.D.

And is milk really not addictive? Isn’t it the mark of addiction that the addict reaches for his fix as soon as he wakes up? F’rinstance me. First thing I do once I’ve stumbled out of bed and groped my way to the kitchen is to boil a kettle and make a cup of tea. And what do I pour into the tea? Milk. So I get a powerful fix of caffeine, tannin, sugar, milk, and water first thing in the morning, even before I fire up my first roll-up. And the milk is an essential ingredient. I keep tins of powdered milk in case I run out of whole milk. And occasionally I even eat spoonfuls of the white powder, to get a milk hit.

Case closed.

Caffeine, of course, is as addictive as milk.

Withdrawal symptoms – including headache, irritability, inability to concentrate, drowsiness, insomnia, and pain in the stomach, upper body, and joints – may appear within 12 to 24 hours after discontinuation of caffeine intake, peak at roughly 48 hours, and usually last from 2 to 9 days. Withdrawal headaches are experienced by 52% of people who stopped consuming caffeine for two days after an average of 235 mg caffeine per day prior to that. In prolonged caffeine drinkers, symptoms such as increased depression and anxiety, nausea, vomiting, physical pains and intense desire for caffeine containing beverages are also reported. Peer knowledge, support and interaction may aid withdrawal.

And sugar, naturally.

Josie Gibson has compared being addicted to sugar to being hooked on heroin.

The ex reality star, who shed four stone in six months at the end of last year, branded sugar a ‘drug’ as she opened up about her weight battles during an interview on Daybreak on Friday morning.

Josie also revealed that she weighed nearly 17 stone when she left the Big Brother house in 2010 – blaming her emotional issues, as well as her lack of knowledge about nutrition, for her size.

The 27-year-old star, who was a size 20 at her heaviest, explained: ‘Being a sugar addict was like being addicted to heroin, but heroin being everywhere. Sugar is everywhere.

‘Imagine going into a petrol station and heroin being everywhere.’

She said: ‘I didn’t realise, I was going to the supermarket and buying stuff with no fat but not realising it was full of sugar.

And of course water too.

In modern Britain “aquaholics” such as Sarah are no longer a rarity. Of course, they claim, there are rewards for such dedication.

The truth, however, is that this new generation of women who seek health and happiness in the bottom of an expensive bottle of water might as well flush their money straight down the pan (£1.2billion was spent on 2.08 billion litres of bottled water last year in Britain) and settle for a nice cup of tea instead.

Not only that, but the message about the benefits of drinking lots of water have become so confused that there’s growing concern that increasing numbers are actually overdosing on it.

Take Sarah, for instance, whose health is now beginning to suffer as a result of the amount of water she consumes.

“If I don’t have my bottle of water I feel paranoid,’ she says. “And if I try not to drink for an hour, I start to feel dehydrated and I get throbbing headaches.

“But it has got to the stage where I don’t know how to give it up. It used to make me feel really good and healthy but not any more. I know I ought to cut down but I’m not sure how I can.”

Let’s face it, everything is addictive.  And I’m even addicted to the blue and white willow-pattern mug out of which I drink my confection of addictive drugs each morning. It doesn’t taste the same if I drink out of some other mug.

And if everything is addictive, then everything is carcinogenic too. And if we’re going to put warning labels on anything that’s addictive or carcinogenic or poisonous, then we should put health warning labels on absolutely everything. Including milk, yogurt, rice, lentils, beans, soya products. And when you buy potatoes in a greengrocer, the grocer should look you in the eye as he hands it too you, and say, “You do know that this could kill you, don’t you?” And also things that you normally never eat, like pencils and biros and postage stamps, but which you might inadvertently swallow while chewing or licking them.

The other possibility, of course, is that if everything is poisonous and carcinogenic and addictive, then there’s no need to label anything. Because it should be commonly understood that absolutely everything has some element of danger attached to it, even if it seems to be as safe as milk. Labelling products only makes sense if some products are far more dangerous than others, and really can kill you very quickly. Like cyanide. Those are the products that really do need health warnings attached to them, not products like tobacco or alcohol.

And in fact, to the extent that relatively harmless products like tobacco (which don’t kill people in seconds) are covered with health warnings, this must act to reduce the impact of health warnings on really dangerous products, because the more warnings there are, the more people are likely to ignore them. If there are red warning lights flashing on every product, or too many products, the really important red warnings on truly lethal products will be lost in the noise.

And anyway, is it really necessary for information about a product to be printed on it? We don’t, for example, print insurance policy numbers on cars, or any other information, because this can be obtained in other ways when needed. Why not the same for health warnings? People can then find out for themselves when and if they want to know.

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51 Responses to Safe As Milk

  1. legiron says:

    Your title made me think of Captain Beefheart ( and then you put me in mind of Dr. Feelgood (

    The warnings are already lost in the noise. Only the paranoid bother with them now, and they are literally a dying breed.

  2. They’re finally getting to it eh? ::sigh:: I’ve been trying to wake up the folks on the newsboards for years as to where they’re heading. Here are a few of my fonder efforts….

    Oh, what a joyous world it will be when all our beer bottles are brown and covered in bloody photos of mangled accident victims and diseased livers, when all our candies and cupcakes and ice creams sport 75% of their packaging as distended, bloated corpses covered with bedsores due to obesity, and when PETA gains enough power to cover all our meat products with shots of the suffering animals and their pens coated with “unwashed material.”
    It will also be interesting to see the effect such images will have on children as they grow up. Will there be a great increase in suicides due to depression and revulsion at the agonies of life? Will millions die from anorexia? Perhaps. But hey, no harm in seeing what happens, right? And after all, it’s all for a good cause!


    The most important next step in this campaign is to make markers (pens, inks etc) illegal to prevent sneaky smokers from trying to obliterate pack warnings or drawing funny moustaches on the corpse pictures. And some smokers will try to hide the bad images by carrying their cigarettes in their pockets or pocketbooks. Pants do not need pockets. They function quite well without them. And pocketbooks are dangerous anyway: you never know if there might be a gun or a bomb or something hidden in them. Ban them all!

    Hopefully this packet-picture advance in Consumer Education will expand soon to other areas. Covering all meat products with large color close-ups of diseased and bloodily tortured animal carcasses will help to reduce unhealthy and fattening meat consumption while reducing our carbon footprint. Pictures of grossly corpulent fatsos covered in bedsores will reduce children’s desires for candy and sweets and save them from a lifetime of addiction to sugar, chocolate, and related drugs.

    As for alcohol, beer brands can be noted with a small 3 digit code on the bottoms of bottles. The rest of the bottle surfaces can sport portraits of battered wives, dismembered auto-crash corpses, fatty livers, and esophageal cancers.

    We can go a long way toward a better world now that the Antismokers have shown us the True Path.


    Some other suggestions: Some suggestions: (1) A grossly obese bed-ridden patient rolled slightly to one side to expose the oozing bed sores so common among those unable to control their gorging; (2) Middle-aged Bikini-clad sun-tan-oiled 450 pounders lounging around on the beach grabbing some melanomas ; (3) Close up of a baby, blue and cold and dead — smothered by the gobs of fat of an obese mom who fell asleep during breast-feeding; (4) an unfortunate airline passenger in the middle seat between two 350 pounders; (5) Starving children in Africa in a split screen with fatsos pounding it down at their local McWhopperries.

    Hey, maybe I can finally find some gainful employment that will truly utilize my creative talents! I can be an image designer who will torture the Antismokers with the world they have created!

    – MJM

    • chris says:

      Mike et al:

      New York Shitty is again at the forefront with subway ads warning against “excessive drinking” showing pictures of a guy with a black eye or a girl doing the “walk of shame” after an ill-advised, alcohol-facilitated hookup.

  3. Ahhh…. and a note to the Yorkshire Post just two weeks ago!

    We need to stop fiddling around with tobacco and take on Demon Rum. Beer and other alcohol bottles should all be colored a puke green, with 75% of their surface covered in full-color, 3-D pictures of faces of battered wives, ripped apart bodies of accident corpses, oozing livers, and photos of the blank faces and staring eyes of the elderly suffering from alcoholic dementia or the children suffering from FAS (fetal alcohol syndrome). Movies or TV shows portraying drinking or drinking ads, images, paraphernalia or references should be given a “no-under 21” rating.

    90% of all alcoholics began drinking as children. Every day that the government delays, another 1,307 children will take up drinking.

    SOMETHING must be done!

  4. waltc says:

    Not half an hour ago did I see a NYC DOH (Bloomberg inspired, taxpayer funded) television commercial inveighing against…sports drinks! Yes, friends, Gatorade will kill you. All those marathon runners drinking it may look fit and lithe but according to this commercial they are courting…picture of preposterous belly of a 500-pounder…and…picture of a bandaged stump of an amputated foot. Nanny’s work is never done.

    When you said “images are not enough,” my mind immediately went to Audio! Why not a pressure-sensitive gin bottle that, when you pick it up, makes loud retching noises? Or a tin of cookies that, when you touch it, yells “Put that down, lard-ass” and of course cigarette packs that, whenver you touch them, have coughing fits and go into death gasps. Any entrepreneurs around here want to start up a business?

  5. beobrigitte says:

    Great post, Frank!!
    And is milk that harmless? Pasteurisation, after all, reduces the number of pathogens in milk, which rather strongly suggests that there are pathogens in unpasteurised milk to start with. In addition, many people are lactose intolerant.

    Lactose intolerance was virtually unknown in times when people drunk milk ‘cow-warm’. There are no pathogens in unpasteurized milk, it just “goes off” rather quickly.
    Anybody who still remembers ‘sour-milk-with-cinnamon-and-sugar’ (yes, SUGAR!!!!) can confirm that it is not possible to make this drink with semi-skimmed/skimmed milk.

    I have never understood WHY people waste money on bottled water in plastic containers which might have stood in warehouses for month on end + more month on supermarket shelves. The water out the tap is fresh and drinkable!
    Not only that, but the message about the benefits of drinking lots of water have become so confused that there’s growing concern that increasing numbers are actually overdosing on it.
    There is this “detox” fad (no idea who created this!) and being “healthier” for it. I wonder how much healthier these people feel when they mess with their individual water balance. Some do end up in hospital.
    Our bodies “detox” nicely by themselves; we are designed that way and do know it. Nevertheless, “health” is also a business with which people can be scared into doing the silliest things, the best example being the “passive smoke” scare that seems to be promoted by people who never had common sense, or lost it somewhere along their “I-want-to-make-the-world-a-better-place-and-get-loads-of-money-for-myself” idea.

  6. Briar Tuck says:

    This is gold dust, Frank. The European Alcohol Policy Alliance graphic you include specifically says of milk “Does NOT cause cancer”. Big mistake…

    From the abstract:
    “Subjects reporting consumption of whole milk 3 or more times daily had a 2-fold increase in lung cancer risk compared to those who reported never drinking whole milk (RR = 2.14).”

    Briar Tuck

  7. magnetic01 says:

    The nut cases of Public Health are at the cutting edge of nut caseness. What better to “kill the mood” for any product than sniff warning labels producing the stench of rotting flesh? Nut case in point: Our good friend, Simple Simon Crapman, has indeed suggested such an “advance” for cigarette packs. From a comment at this link:

    Not content with ‘foul tasting cigarettes’, Simon Chapman is now proposing scratch n sniff warning labels with the aroma of cadavrine (from the putrefication of animal tissue).
    He tweeted earlier today (1 Feb 2012, 10:08am)
    @SimonChapman6: Next step in cig pack warnings?Scratch’n sniff tabs.Cadavarine or putrescine = smell/gangrene from periph.vasc.disease

    But when we’re talking about Crapman, you know that he didn’t just dream up this “advancement” in 2012. It’s actually from his paper published in the antismoking rag, Tobacco Control, six years earlier:

    “Grim prime-time TV ads and graphic pack warnings have shown smokers what gangrene from peripheral vascular disease looks like (although scratch and sniff “educational” cards impregnated with the unforgettable odours of putrescene or cadaverine have yet to surface).”

    I get the feeling that Crapman missed his calling. Public Health has yet too few opportunities for someone with such a penchant for dark thought….. for someone that takes great delight in squeamish details and “chilling to the bone” imagery. His skills could have been better utilized directing, say, Vincent Price in the horror films of the 1970s.

    • Rose says:

      Scratch’n sniff tabs.Cadavarine or putrescine = smell/gangrene from periph.vasc.disease

      Clever, but tenuous.

      Nicotine is made in the roots from nicotinic acid and putrescine.


      The importance of dietary polyamines in cell regeneration and growth.

      “The polyamines putrescine, spermidine and spermine are essential for cell renewal and, therefore, are needed to keep the body healthy.”

      “The major sources of putrescine were fruit, cheese and non-green vegetables. All foods contributed similar amounts of spermidine to the diet, although levels were generally higher in green vegetables. Meat was the richest source of spermine.”

      “The two compounds are largely responsible for the foul odor of putrefying flesh” and other unmentionable things.

      The gangrenous foot on the cigarette packet.

      June 2012
      “There is a growing body of evidence to show that smoking is a risk factor for Type 2 diabetes.
      Several hypotheses have been proposed to explain this link.”
      http: //

      Root of Diabetic Disorder Found, Scientists Say : Medicine: Painful peripheral neuropathy leads to gangrene and amputations.- 1995

      “In the first three years after giving up, new quitters were 91 per cent more likely to develop diabetes”

      Researchers from Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, studied 10,892 adult smokers, none of whom had diabetes at the start of the study.”
      http: //

      The only person I have ever seen with gangrene was a non-smoking friend who came off her motorbike on newly laid asphalt, her knee was in a shocking state.

      • XX There is a growing body of evidence to show that smoking is a risk factor for Type 2 diabetes.XX


        I gave up smoking. Three months later I had a small stroke, caused by typeII diabetes.

        I had to inject twice daily.

        I took up smoking again (I found my old pipe… :-) ). and within two months I no longer had to inject (although I take a tabelet once per day) And my blood sugar is CONSTANTLY “normal.”

        “Smoking stops diabetes!”

  8. BrianB says:

    It has been said before that milk is associated with lung cancer, but it was interesting that Briar Tuck posted the above, just as I was looking at this paper:

    Diet, smoking and lung cancer: a case–control study of
    1000 cases and 1500 controls in South-West England

    The study showed a RR of 2.83 (CI 1.65, 4.85) for those consuming more than a pint of unskimmed milk a day. After ‘adjusting for smoking’, the RR fell to 2.10. Amazing concordance with the result (RR=2.14) in Briar’s study, no?

    OK, it’s only a couple of studies, and they are talking about whole milk, and (most importantly) all modern epidemiological ‘studies’ are crap, but…

    1. The RR values are way above those most quoted for passive smoking and lung cancer.
    2. Identical values (to one decimal place) occur in two independent studies.
    3. You will note that one of the (above) study authors is a certain ‘R.Doll’! (Goes to the ‘credibility’ factor)

    All in all, this provides a useful factoid with which to taunt all those gullible anti-tobacco pillocks (are you reading this, Rollo Tomassi?) out there.

    Now, anyone know how many ‘chemicals’ are in milk? I bet it’s around, ooh say, 4,000!


  9. XX And is milk that harmless?XX

    NO! No it is NOT!

    In fact it is the most harmfull sustance in the universe when being used for its designed purpose!

    Look at ANY old peoples home, look at ANY one that dies, within the last 24 hours 99,9% of them have drunk milk or consumed a milk containing product!

    DEADLY, so it is.

    • margo says:

      Its designed purpose? I thought that was the feeding of calves. Are we the only species which regards the mother’s-milk of another species as an essential part of its own adult diet? A bit strange, I think.

      • It does not matter WHERE the milk come from. It is poisonous to humans. Aand it is designed to drink.

        And no stranger than the “science” behind tobacco control freaks.

        • harleyrider1978 says:

          Quite Furor

          The RR for shs is a 1.19 ”EPA study is whats used to call it a carcinogen”……milks is a 2.43 and that glass of chlorinated water your about to drink is a 1.25 yet these things aren’t determined to be a carcinogen. Even Beef has a RR for LC!

          This glass of water will kill you!

          It contains billions of microscopic things like pesticides,mercury, cadmium,arsenic just to name a few!

          It has levels of things that equate to several hundred burning cigarettes if you were to quench your thirst!

          No No my green wanderering jogger,you must not partake of this water,we know your thirsty!

          But we must outlaw your drinking of water,its for your own good to protect you from your own weaknesses!

          Whats that, your brain receptors crave water like a nicotine or heroin addict craves their drug!

          You did argue that microscopic levels kill folks in second hand smoke!

          We the state accepted your argument and your science,so now to be fair and just we must OUTLAW WATER!

          After all your an addict if you want water.

          Whats that,you were LYING about second hand smoke all along! Thats PERJURY!

  10. harleyrider1978 says:

    Just when you thought they had given upthey never had! They simply took a new course to do the same thing.

    FDA Preparing To Relaunch Graphic Tobacco Warning Labels [VIDEO]
    Public health policy experts are advising federal regulators on how to implement a 2009 law requiring graphic tobacco warning labels on cigarette packages.

  11. harleyrider1978 says:

    Ireland Moves Toward Plain Paper And Plaster Hell On Iconic Cigar Boxes, Drives Onward To Being A Top Nanny State Of The EU

    Ireland, the first country in the world to ban smoking in all its bars and restaurants in 2004, is now moving ahead with legislation to require plain packages –adorned with only government dictated gruesome pictures and health warnings – on all tobacco products in 2014, including the cigar boxes from Cuba and Honduras that a lot of hosts still love to show off to their friends all over the world. What’s next? An end to all images of leprechauns puffing on clay pipes?

    Banned in Ireland?

    Minister for Health James Reilly claims the move, so far only witnessed in Australia, is necessary to staunch the lure of smoking to teens, who are thought to start smoking younger in Ireland than most European countries. But Ireland’s few luxury tobacco shops say that when Montecristos and the like are shorn of their gold leafed boxes their market will be extinguished forever.

    In Australia, retailers of Cuban cigars have moved their businesses offshore to escape that country’s draconian ban, and the Cuban government, with a 50 percent stake in the global exporter Habanos SA, is taking a case against Australia’s fiat to the World Trade Organization next month.

    David McGrane, managing director of the 132 year-old James Fox cigar shop on Dublin’s Grafton Street, asserts that the sweeping reach of the Irish government’s new initiative is quite clouded as to the realities of the specialized cigar trade. “Cigars do not appeal to young people by their appearance, taste or pricing structure. Our typical customer is over 30, would buy one or two cigars at a time for special occasions, and doesn’t smoke cigarettes,” he told the Sunday (UK) Times on June 16.

    “People consume cigars in the same way they do a nice glass of port or a malt whiskey…While vintage port or malt whiskeys are the same as alchohol, they’re not abused in the same way a cheap flagon of cider might be,” he continued, adding that neither tourists to Ireland nor locals will buy Cuban or other fine cigars without factory warranties on the cover. He claims the Irish cigar market is too miniscule for international traders to even bother creating special packaging for the country.

    Banned in Ireland?

    McGrane and his scattered colleagues across Ireland may not have much leverage within a nation that has seen little opposition so far to its increasingly fervent anti-smoking campaigns. Packets of cigarettes here now cost up to 9.40 euros – or about $12.50 – and vending machines for them are not allowed to have any visible advertising whatsoever. For the first few weeks after the former regulation was abruptly implemented on July 1, 2009 – overnight rule changes are Irish practice — cigarette machines across the country were cloaked in white sheets for weeks.

    However, the Irish remain experts at creating wriggle room at the edges of the law. Following the introduction of the smoking ban in 2004, many pubs promptly created elaborate “outdoor” smoking rooms with precisely measured percentages of openings to the sky to meet the letter of the law in their glass roofs to one centimetre and no more, but with roaring fires or piped in heat and music not uncommon. In a country bar though, the visitor with a habit may find himself puffing beside a loo with all its charms.

    Smuggling of tobacco products to beat back excise duties – sometimes organized by cash-hungry remnants of the IRA or criminal gangs, and often casually done by the many thousands of Eastern Europeans working in the country – is endemic in Ireland, with some guesstimates asserting that at least 25 percent of all tobacco products in Ireland come in through the black market. In Ireland as elsewhere the moral high ground gets often fuzzy.

  12. harleyrider1978 says:

    HE move to ban the display of cigarettes across the country has been applauded by council bosses.

    At the end of last month, the new scheme was launched, resulting in shops and pubs being prohibited from having cigarettes on show.

    The move came after the Scottish Government voted through plans in 2011, in an attempt to remove the temptation for young people to take up smoking.

    Since the ban came into force the council’s trading standards officers have visited all relevant premises and noted 100% compliance with the display ban.

    The ban has led to a 45% reduction in the number of these premises which now make tobacco products available.

    With most premises have simply chosen to remove the machines rather than alter them to be non automatic or to relocate the tobacco behind the bar.

    Trading Standards confirmed they will continue to keep a close eye on sellers to make sure they follow the correct procedures.

    Councillor Vincent Waters Environment convener has backed the move, he said: “It is well established that tobacco is harmful and the legislation that has been passed has the sole aim of reducing this harm.

    “Anything we can do to prevent young people from starting to smoke by restricting access to tobacco will have long term health benefits

    “That’s what these new measures were designed to do and I am pleased that trading standards has found that our business community has acted to comply with them.”

  13. garyk30 says:

    Cows drink untreated rural water.
    All the toxi ns and cancer causing stuff. In that water is in their milk.

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      Ya Gary its called a catch pond! Its usually muddy and full of scum from everything on a farm. Cows have 4 stomachs guess thats how they can survive it! The Nazis have no stomachs much less any backbone prefering to sneak in the dark and pass laws to do their dirty work.

      • I lived and worked on a pig/cow/sheep farm in Scotland for a few years whilst at university in Edinburgh.

        One year the cows were “strange”, it was at the height of the BSE “scare”.

        They staggered around, fell over on regular occassion, attacked the sheep, attacked humans.

        The “man from the ministry” arrived.

        “AHA! I have found your problem.” So he said.

        At the botom of the field was an apple orchard, which had not been cleared for years.

        The rotting apples had fermented, and drained into the “drinking pond”.

        Basically the cows were PISSED AS A FART!

        We moved them to another field, and after two days they were all scared of the big pink elephant at the end of the bed. And those SPIDERS!!!!

        TRUE STORY! (O.K…. maybe not spiders…. but..)

    • beobrigitte says:

      To MILK:
      To quote Margo:
      Its designed purpose? I thought that was the feeding of calves. Are we the only species which regards the mother’s-milk of another species as an essential part of its own adult diet? A bit strange, I think.

      This is correct; as far as I know cows providing our milk are impregnated (quite often she does not even meet a bull) and after calving she is artificially kept in a milk producing state. It’s a bit like giving nursing mothers prolactin in order to keep the milk flow going – to feed another species.
      Indeed, cow’s milk IS DESIGNED for FEEDING CALVES, not humans!! Humans have just quickly cottoned on that cow’s milk provides a rich source of nutrients which did help survival over the harsh Winter months.
      Interestingly, my siblings and I were raised on oat milk; our (non-smoking) mother was busy not dying after enduring PE and DVTs after giving birth. (At just 7lb I was the lightweight of the family; the heaviest was my sister whose birth weight is stated as “>10Kg”. By the time my mother had recovered each time and was discharged from hospital, she certainly wasn’t producing milk!)
      As already said, we were raised on OAT MILK, not cows milk! Nevertheless, when growing up we were allowed to have a small glass (not more!) of fresh, ‘cow warm’ milk on occasions when the calves were fed first. My mother did tell us: “Milk is made for calves!!!”

      Incidentally, my mother was the first global war…. er …. climate change sceptic I came across. By 1980 she had enough of “melting ice caps” and most certainly did not hide her view.
      I wish at that time I had listened more!

  14. smokervoter says:

    I’d like to see warning labels for academics, politicians and vital organ charity pimps. Sure why not. Right beneath the lectern it might state that 85% of college professors lean to the left and its quite likely that you as a student could become infected with socialist, state interventionist ideals that can prove lethal to individualist free will and thought.

    The student should be forewarned that this can lead to delusions of grandeur, where deadly economic notions like the ability to change the weather can take hold. Furthermore the impression that everything around the pupil is toxic and dangerous despite the fact that state pensions are going broke from people living longer can lead to stressful unwarranted paranoia. And stress can kill.

    We’re physically living longer than ever but mentally dying off like flies thanks to the persistence of the Health N’ Safety Twist craze that just won’t fade. Chubby Checker has come and gone but Deborah Arnott and the Safety Crew just keep right on humming along.

  15. Given that I’ve been drinking well over a quart of milk a day on the average for the last forty years or more, I think I may be a in spot of trouble.

    If I’m in the hospital with lung cancer someday, are they going to hang a tag on the end of my bed that says “Milker” ?

    MJM, who usually tempers his milk with large quantities of chocolate, either injected into the milk (aka “Mainlining”) or on the side (aka “Nibbling”)

    • Rose says:

      I drink far more milk than that, but I’m not worried, I have an immune system and my ancestors have been drinking milk since we first became herdsmen, so we must be used to it by now, we’ve also been sitting around piles of burning plant matter for 1.3 million years.

      It’s that alien race that appeared around 100 years ago that finds fault with everything, they don’t seem at all suited to this planet.

  16. roobeedoo2 says:

    Imaginary victims of an imaginary menace … where do they get their ideas from?

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      From the site and this stupid nazi is a heart doctor!
      Talk about fear mongering to the umpteenth factor………….

      Melissa Walton-Shirley

      The newspaper contacted me yesterday………………
      Our local newspaper covered “The Great American Smoke-out”. They asked if we were planning anything special. “No”, I said, recalling that last year we were actually up on the square with 7 by 10 feet signs that begged for an ordinance and pointed out the dangers of second hand smoke.

      [[We put empty shoes all over the court house lawn to signify all of the deaths from smoke exposure]]

      . Today, the newspaper published a few comments from me as well as our chamber president in favor. They even interviewed the city councilman who was most vocal against the ordinance and even he said “the response has been pretty much neutral”. So, even he who predicted doom and gloom after the ordinance spoke the truth as it always is…..a smoke free ordinance is appreciated and good for business.
      I’m ashamed of Nevada who refused to protect its casino patrons and workers, then again, if your only goal is to take cash from folks, who would really care what happens to them anyway? So I guess no real surprise there.
      Our neighboring city of Bowling Green Kentucky is preparing to go smoke free. Bowling Green is the Dragon’s lair for the tobacco industry so it will really send a message to the rest of our state as well as our nation.
      I’m so happy that we’ve come so far and accomplished so much. I hope we can manufacture tons of grandparents for families to enjoy as a direct affect of our smoke free stance! Thank you GOD!!!!

      Yes I tore her ass up on the website and none of them all doctors would even dare debate their junk science or even try and counter my arguments………..

    • Rose, correct me if I’m wrong, and trust me that I have good reason for asking, but didn’t we start regularly sitting around burning plants just about 10,000 years ago?


      • Rose says:

        MJM, I looked that up a while ago, but not having the links, here are some more.

        “Swartkrans is also the site in Africa thought to be associated with the use of controlled fire around 1.3 million years ago, as recognized by Dr. Bob Brain”

        Or maybe even longer

        Human-like species living in Africa up to 1.5 million years ago may have known how to control fire, scientists say.
        US and South African experts analysed burnt bones from Swartkrans, just north of Johannesburg, using the technique of electron spin resonance.”

        “The burnt bones were first described by Dr Bob Brain and Dr Andrew Sillen of the University of Cape Town in 1988. Dr Brain found that the burnt bones from Swartkrans could be sorted into types that had been burnt at low and high temperatures.
        He also found that if modern bones were heated at low temperatures for long periods of time they began to look like bones that had been heated to high temperatures in a camp fire.

        However, the electron spin resonance data would seem to confirm original suggestions about the bones.
        This is because the degree of carbonisation of organic material as measured with electron spin resonance is dependent only upon the amount of carbon and not on the time material has been heated for.

        It is not known which hominid species made the fires at Swartkrans. There seem to have been two hominid species present at Swartkrans around two million years ago.
        These were Australopithecus (or Paranthropus) robustus and an early species of Homo, possibly Homo erectus.

        The next oldest evidence for controlled use of fire may come from Zhoukoudian in China, dating to between 400,000 and 250,000 years ago.”

        “Swartkrans is a Lower Paleolithic travertine cave site in the Witwatersrand region of South Africa, discovered in 1948 by Robert Broom and excavated by C.K. Brain in the 1960s.”

        “In addition to the massive quantities of Australopithecus robustus and Homo erectus skeletal elements as well as stone and bone tools, Swartkrans contains evidence for purposeful cooking of meat about 1.5 million years ago”.
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        • Thanks Rose! Excellent research as always! It sounds like controlled use of fire was spotty for quite a while, which fits roughly with my use of it in my tale, though my timing is likely a bit off. Ahhh wellll… I’ll have to chalk it up to artistic license!


        • Rose says:

          This might interest you, the oldest burial found in the British Isles.

          Red Lady of Paviland

          “The Red Lady of Paviland is a fairly complete Upper Paleolithic-era human male skeleton dyed in red ochre. Discovered in 1823 it is the first human fossil to have been found anywhere in the world, and at 33,000 years old is still the oldest ceremonial burial of a modern human ever discovered anywhere in Western Europe.[1] The bones were discovered between 18 and 25 January 1823 by Rev. William Buckland, during an archaeological dig at Goat’s Hole Cave; one of the limestone caves between Port Eynon and Rhossili, on the Gower Peninsula, south Wales.

          Buckland believed the remains to be those of a female, dating to Roman Britain. However, later analysis of the remains showed them to have been of a young male, and the most recent re-calibrated radiocarbon dating in 2009 indicates that the skeleton can be dated to around 33,000 years before present (BP). The other key paleolithic sites in the UK are Happisburgh, Pakefield, Boxgrove, Swanscombe, Pontnewydd, Kents Cavern, and Gough’s Cave.”

          “When Buckland first discovered the skeleton in 1823, he misjudged both its age and its sex. As a creationist,Buckland believed no human remains could have been older than the Biblical Great Flood, and thus wildly underestimated its true age, believing the remains to date back to the Roman era.

          Buckland believed the skeleton was female in large part because it was discovered with decorative items, including perforated seashell necklaces and jewellery thought to be of elephant ivory but now known to be carved from the tusk of a mammoth.
          These decorative items combined with the skeleton’s red dye caused Buckland to mistakenly speculate that the remains belonged to a Roman prostitute or witch.”

          The next human remains found in Britain, of Cheddar Man, are much younger and separated by the period of the Ice Age.”

          “It was probably more interesting 34,000 years ago. Then, from Paviland cave you would have seen mammoths, rhinos, oryx, vast herds of deer, even the odd sabre-toothed tiger, all roaming across the plain below. Now it’s just water – the Bristol Channel swashing against the jagged rock beneath the cave, Lundy Island in the distance, the coast of south-west England beyond that.”

          “Excavators who came after Buckland found thousands of flints on the floor of the cave, suggesting it was in regular use, even though a few thousand years after the Red Lady was buried temperatures fell further, the ice advanced and Britain was abandoned by early man, leaving the cave’s occupant to lie alone for thousands of years.”

          I just can’t imagine back 33,000 years, it’s just such an echoing vastness of time.

  17. magnetic01 says:

    The calibre of people in UK (and elsewhere) politics is pretty well at the nitwit level.

    Smokers are ‘drug addicts’, says public health minister Anna Soubry

    And by what great advisement did shallow Anna come to this realization that she now wants to share with the world? Well, her daughter – courtesy of years of antismoking brainwashing in the “education” system – said so…… probably while her daughter was also picking her nose.

    “Children are a very effective way of putting out public health messages,” Mrs Soubry said.

    That’s right, Anna. Something along the lines of the Hitler Youf:
    Proctor (1997) continues that “throughout this period, magazines like Genussgifte (Poisons of taste or habit), Auf der Wacht (On Guard), and Reine Luft (Pure air) published a regular drumbeat against this ‘insidious poison’ [tobacco], along with articles charting the unhealthful effects of alcohol, teenage dancing, cocaine, and other vices. Dozens of books and pamphlets denounced the ‘smoking slavery’ or ‘cultural degeneration’ feared from the growth of tobacco use. Tobacco was branded ‘the enemy of world peace’, and there was even talk of ‘tobacco terror’ and ‘tobacco capitalism’ …. The Hitler Youth and the League of German Girls both published antismoking propaganda, and the Association for the Struggle against the Tobacco Danger organized counseling centers where the ‘tobacco ill’ could seek help” (p.456-457); “Hitler Youth had anti-smoking patrols all over Germany, outside movie houses and in entertainment areas, sports fields etc., and smoking was strictly forbidden to these millions of German youth growing up under Hitler.” (www.zundelsite – January 27, 1998.htm)

    And good ol’ shallow Anna has also settled that:
    Mrs Soubry made the comments as she signalled her firm support for removing all packaging from cigarettes, which she admitted puts her at odds with many people in the Conservative Party.
    Her dog probably advised her of that “gem”. Go Anna!

    Mrs Soubry said another major reason she quit smoking cigarettes was the decision of the last Labour government to ban people from smoking in public places.

    Shallow Anna is such a pitiful coward:

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      Its people like this that recieve the moniker ”HEALTH NAZI”

      They look down upon anyone they deem beneath them and their darwinistic ideas of culture and lifestyle.

      Im sure public health minister Anna Soubry is contemplating a new health law to compliment her smoking ban laws for the obese folks she despises:

      Here lets help her with her anti-obesity law with a lil help from the AmericanPublic Health Nazis in America:

      Mississippi Legislature
      2008 Regular Session
      House Bill 282
      House Calendar | Senate Calendar

      Description: Food establishments; prohibit from serving food to any person who is obese.


      Yes indeed all she need do is copy and paste it into a royal decree and force the queens hand to it!

      Magna Carta anyone

    • beobrigitte says:

      Mrs Soubry said another major reason she quit smoking cigarettes was the decision of the last Labour government to ban people from smoking in public places.

      I decided to quit voting the tobacco control shill labour when they dictated the smoking ban. The next party cancelled were the Lib Dems. Looks like I will include the conservatives in the next election. But since I do not believe in wasting votes, that leaves me with the party which will invite me back into pubs and a social life outside the circle of my close friends. (A side effect will also be more jobs for unemployed/students, so I feel that I am doing a very good thing!!)

    • Mag, I just ran across an interesting piece in Sullum’s FYOG: from Sir Humphrey Rolleston chairing a drug policy commission in the 1920s: “To regard tobacco as a drug of addiction may all be very well in a humorous sense, but it is hardly accurate.” Sullum gathered and organized a VERY impressive amount of material in that book. Hard to imagine how it was even possible back before the internet!

      – MJM

  18. Radical Rodent says:

    Why not make these labels now, and apply them to the gifts to the anti-smoking zealots amongst your family and friends? (We all have them – that is why one of mine refuses to vote UKIP, as one of their policies is the repeal of the smoking ban.) It would be interesting to see their reactions.

    • beobrigitte says:

      Radical rodent, I seem to be luckier than most people; my non-smoking friends have a designated (most comfortable) SMOKING ROOM in their houses.
      I would disown a family member for uttering anti-smoker rubbish. One very close family member almost walked into the anti-smoker traps; the issue was organ donation. The anti-smoker infested media directs anything against smokers and sure enough, a case of a failed heart-lung transplant was the “fodder” for the anti-smokers to attack the donor’s family. This family member uttered “Smokers should be PROHIBITED from donating organs!
      I just looked at her and said that I agree. “Just prohibit us from donating organs. BTW, 40% of all e.g. heart-lung donations is made by SMOKERS”.

      *Long Silence*

      I broke this silence that could easily have carried on for all night (I’m my mother’s daughter!!!!) and just said; “the masses are easily lead; didn’t we attack the generation that believed all the nonsense fed?”

      On my last visit I was directed to her (really nice) kitchen and was presented with an ASH TRAY. Almost apologetically she said: “I really don’t like the smell of cigarette smoke in the house, but it doesn’t stay in the kitchen… Hope you don’t mind that my smoking room is the kitchen.”
      NOT AT ALL!!!!

  19. jaxthefirst says:

    Excellent idea, RR! Make them look convincing enough and it’ll be very interesting to watch the reaction …

  20. Radical Rodent says:

    The more I think of printed sticky labels applicable to the product in question being applied to the gift, the more I like it!

    What fun to see their eyes light up on receipt of that familiar prism-shaped box of chocs, then the look of horror in those eyes when the wrapping comes off, to reveal the pictures of despair. Same with the bottle of wine, etc.

    How about putting those “warning” (aka “scare”) labels about salt, sugar, fats, and… well, food in general, on the plates on which you will serve their meals?

    Right, tell me how it can be done, and I will start producing now!

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      RR its adamn good idea and it can be used on any subject matter that arises!

    • beobrigitte says:

      I already did produce labels – for bottled water! A family member buys the stuff by the crate…. In order to demonstrate the idiocy of bottled water I spent hours designing and printing black edge labels with slogans, such as:
      “This bottle of water was filled for idiots who believe that fresh tap water is not good enough”;
      “put this on an agar plate – you might discover a new bacterial mutation”;
      “drink 10 of these bottles/day – enjoy a stay in ITU”.
      and so on…..

      I had left before this family member saw the bottles. I hope they provided a little food for thought!!

  21. harleyrider1978 says:

    The Marginalization of Smokers Benefits Corporate Interests and Conditions the Populace to Accept Totalitarian Policies

    by Heidi Stevenson, Editor Gaia Health

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