Jean-François Etter

Shamelessly lifted from Dick Puddlecote, a video of Jean-François Etter speaking about the ‘public health’ community’s irrational objections to e-cigarettes.

Since Etter is part of the ‘public health’ community, it’s nice to see them falling out with each other.

I’ve got an e-cig that I bought three or four years ago. I haven’t used it for ages, because I prefer real cigarettes. I need the 3,000 toxic chemicals in the smoke.  Or maybe just the smoke. But it came in very handy once when I developed a nasty cold, with an accompanying cough.

Mind you, some of the e-cigs shown in use in this video produce much more ‘smoke’ – ‘fog’ might be a better term – than mine ever did. So I’d guess that the technology has moved a long way forward from where it was when my one appeared on the market.

I can well understand why Tobacco Control wants to stop them. Partly it’s because they want people to use Big Pharma’s useless NRT products. But also some e-cigarettes really do look almost exactly like real cigarettes. In a roomful of people, some of whom are smoking e-cigarettes, and some real ones, how would you tell which was which? It’s one of the delightfully subversive characteristics of e-cigarettes. But above all, the antismoking zealots don’t want anyone inhaling anything, ever. It’s never been about health.

It reminds me, however, that although the e-cig market has been growing very rapidly, I never seem to see anyone using the things.

But then, if I did see someone blowing smoke, I’d assume they were smoking cigarettes.

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29 Responses to Jean-François Etter

  1. emilycat88 says:

    I have seen only three people using them personally in the last year or two- two smokers using them indoors at a party and a bar respectively, and one person who I know was trying to quit smoking, using it outdoors with all the regular smokers after a concert. I have one too, that I bought a few years ago, but like you, I prefer real cigarettes. I have to admit I have mixed feelings about e-cigarettes, mostly because I’m not against smoking real cigarettes and don’t want to people using the e-cigs just because of pressure to quit the real thing. Also, I feel like the e-cig manufacturers are making use of the junk science of secondhand smoke to sell their products.

    I saw a commercial the other day on TV for an e-cig, can’t remember which brand, and I was a little peeved because they said something about “no more toxic smoke in the air around other people” or some such thing. On the other hand, I saw a notice outside an elementary school in my neighborhood, saying that smoking both tobacco and e-cigs were prohibited on the school grounds. So they are being persecuted in many of the same ways as real cigs, hence why they are trying to separate themselves, I suppose.

    • supergran says:

      I bought my partner a set of 2. They dont look like cigs at all. I went on holiday in March this year and to be honest it was fantastic for me. Usually I cant go through security till the last minute because you know when youve gone through, it might be 5 or 6 hours before you can have another cig and it really stresses me out. So in March I took one of the ecigs and it was brill. I went straight through security. Used it in the departure lounge. Used it on the plane and had no discomfort whatsoever. I dont want to give up smoking but these are brilliant for just those times when you KNOW it’s going to be a few hours without one. Recently both Manchester & Bristol airports have opened a smoking area (not Liverpool though), and methinks its because of millions of lost revenue due to people like me who wont go through until the last minute because I cant have a cig. I used to spend money in those places – you know, giddy holiday mode frivolity!! hehe, but not any more. I guess thats why they have opened a smoking area in both those airports but i BET A MILLION QUID no one would come out and say the reason why. Also, its been kept hush hush. Their duplicity makes me sick.

      • margo says:

        What sort did you buy, supergran? I’ve tried 3 (the ones that look like fags – I’d rather have one that doesn’t, and I don’t care about pretend-smoke – just as long as it’s good to suck on and gives you a nicotine hit) – all crap, and in one case a rip-off. I’d like one that works, for just those occasions you describe, but I don’t want another quite expensive disappointment.

        • nisakiman says:

          I bought an Ovale eGo-C (they may well go under another brand name in UK – I know in the US they’re marketed as ‘Joy’ or somesuch, but the eGo-C bit is the same). It’s great. I buy 30ml bottles of e-liquid for €10 a bottle (they last me bloody ages, as I don’t use it an awful lot), and you can get all sorts of flavours. I buy ‘Virginia’, as that was what they recommended in the shop as being the equivalent of the Golden Virginia I normally smoke, and I buy the 1.8% nicotine one. They do a 0.9% as well. They also have Camel, Marlboro and multiple others I can’t remember, plus all the fruit flavours etc. I paid €80 for the kit, which has two batteries and various other spare bits. USB and wall charger. You can probably find the same thing much cheaper online – I went to the Ovale shop in town because I wanted to have a look at it. It’s matt black and looks nothing like a cigarette. Google eGo-C, you’ll be able to have a look. It works well for me. I have no need to smoke an e-cig, but I actually quite like it as a change from my rollies now and again. If I actually wanted to give up smoking tobacco, it would really be very easy to move over to my e-cig, that’s how highly I rate it.

        • nisakiman says:

          Here you go Margo, I just happened across the e-cig link in my (no so) ‘Temporary’ bookmarks file.

          http://www.ovale.gr/product/29/egoc-double-kit-black

          Oddly, it’s more expensive than I paid in the shop.

  2. mikef317 says:

    This belongs with the “child-men and women” post. It’s a long but interesting article about the obesity epidemic, and also a good deal about tobacco. Thought I did a comment on it before, but couldn’t find anything. Apologies if it’s a duplicate.

    http://thebreakthrough.org/index.php/journal/issue-3/the-making-of-the-obesity-epidemic/

    On a lighter note, from a month ago….

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/workers_go_hungry_over_health_edicts_2t52Jv1Z86GZYo98pmHX6L

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      What Obesity Epidemic it was created out of thin air like all of it today by over zealous progressives in public health!

      http://easydiagnosis.com/secondopinio….

      Diabetes:

      Old Definition: Blood sugar > 140 mg/dl
      People under old definition: 11.7 million
      New Definition: Blood sugar > 126 mg/dl
      People added under new definition: 1.7 million
      Percent increase: 15%

      The definition was changed in 1997 by the American Diabetes Association and WHO Expert Committee on the Diagnosis and Classification of Diabetes Mellitus.

      Hypertension:

      High blood pressure is reported as two numbers, systolic or peak pressure and diastolic pressure when heart is at rest) in mm Hg.

      Old Definition: cutoff Blood Pressure > 160/100
      People under old definition: 38.7 million
      New Definition: Blood Pressure > 140/90
      People added under new definition: 13.5 million
      Percent Increase: 35%

      The definition was changed in 1997 by U.S. Joint National Committee on Prevention, Detection, Evaluation, and Treatment of High Blood Pressure.

      Prehypertension, a new category created in 2003: blood pressure from 120/80 to 138/89 includes 45 million additional people! If one includes this category, we have a grand total of 97.2 million total numbers of hypertensives and prehypertensives (whatever that is).

      High (Total) Cholesterol:

      Old Definition: Cholesterol > 240 mg/dl total cholesterol
      People under old definition: 49.5 million
      New Definition: Cholesterol > 200 mg/dl total cholesterol
      People added under new definition: 42.6 million
      Percent increase: 86%

      The definition was changed in 1998 by U.S. Air Force/Texas Coronary Atherosclerosis Prevention Study.

      Overweight:

      Body Mass Index (BMI) is defined as the ratio of weight (in kg) to height (in meters) squared and is an inexact measure of body fat, though it supposedly establishes cutoff points of normal weight, overweight, and obesity.

      Old definition: BMI > 28 (men), BMI > 27 (women)
      People under old definition: 70.6 million
      New definition: BMI > 25
      People added under new definition: 30.5 million
      Percent Increase: 43%

      The definition was changed in 1998 by U.S. National Heart, Lung and Blood Institute.

      “The new definitions ultimately label 75 percent of the adult U.S. population as diseased,” conclude the two researchers.

  3. Just today they were exiled from the trains as well.If it looks like a duck,it must quack like a duck.Who cares about the science..

    http://www.whtimes.co.uk/news/questions_as_first_capital_connect_bans_electronic_cigarettes_on_trains_1_2215832?utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=twitterfeed

    Personally I find the taste not quite satisfactory (like comparing a juicy steak with a slice of turkey) and I believe that you are ‘coerced’ into e-cigs since a) the second hand smoke myth exists and you can’t smoke legally in the majority of the rented places anymore b) they are much more cheaper.Still,it’s nice to have options, smth that the antis detest to the maximum!

  4. magnetic01 says:

    I, too, purchased an e-cig a few years ago. I used it for about 10 minutes.

    This is one of the reasons why there are smokers that have very little time for e-cigs, their manufacturers and users. To peddle their wares, e-cig manufacturers/suppliers are even more rabidly antismoking than antismokers (if that’s possible). Here’s an “article” by an e-cig supplier. The sheer volume of baseless inflammatory trash beggars belief:

    “Mary-Kate Olsen, the former child star now billionaire designer, was pictured smoking in New York earlier this week, reported abcnews.com. The 26-year old was seen with her French boyfriend and his daughter from first marriage. And seeing how close she was with the young girl, Solar Cigarette expressed its concern over the child’s exposure to cigarette smoke.
    In addition, it detailed how the habit can put the health of everyone in the picture at risk. As it can be seen in the image, Olsen was chatting on her phone while puffing a cancer stick. She was walking with her boyfriend Olivier Sarkozy and his daughter. The young girl was just about an arm’s length from the smoking Olsen. With that distance, it’s highly possible that the kid inhaled the smoke from the cigarette, said SolarCigarette. And that exposed her to many health risks, it added.
    In fact, the kid was not only that the one who was put at risk by the exposure to smoke from the cigarette. Even Olsen herself and Sarkozy as well were put at risk.
    That’s because both first-hand smoking and second-hand smoking are huge risk factors in developing many chronic and serious illnesses.”

    [The photo referred to is of the three walking along a pavement, i.e., outdoors]
    http://www.prweb.com/releases/prweb2012/6/prweb9633409.htm
    The original link is now unfortunately dead. But here’s a copy of the release:
    http://www.beaumontenterprise.com/business/press-releases/article/Mary-Kate-Olsen-Smokes-With-Boyfriend-s-Daughter-3659854.php

    More from the antismoking e-cig brigade:
    International Vapor Group Encourages Smokers to Quit on ‘No Smoking Day’ Wednesday 13
    http://www.sbwire.com/press-releases/no-smoking-day/sbwire-219941.htm

    http://www.sbwire.com/press-releases/esmokehubcom-lists-the-benefits-of-switching-to-electronic-cigarettes-207548.htm

    End your relationship with tobacco this Valentine’s day
    E.g. “It’s everything you need to get started with e-cigarettes twice over – so both members of a couple can switch to a smoke-free, ash-free, butt-free and stink-free life.”
    http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/end-your-relationship-with-tobacco-this-valentines-day-190348611.html

    Also, having detailed the despicable Chapman Trick, it’s e-cig suppliers that promote one of the most inflammatory versions of the trick, e.g.,
    http://ecigarettesbuy.com/category/tobacco-cigarettes-vs-electronic-cigarettes/
    http://vapor-smoking.net/vapor-smoking-vs-real-cigarettes/
    http://thesmartsmokers.com/articles.html
    [Note particularly the “Cyanhydric acid – was used in gas chambers”]

  5. magnetic01 says:

    Frank, I have a few comments in the “dungeon”.

  6. nisakiman says:

    I have an e-cig, and I really quite like it, although not as much as the real thing.

    What I love most about the whole e-cig issue though is that it exposes the anti-smokers for what they really are – ideologically driven fanatics. It has pulled the rug out from under them, which is why they are desperately trying to find some negative aspect to the e-cig phenomenon. Suddenly, non-smokers who (quite understandably, given the media propaganda drive) just accepted the fantasy that the whole anti-smoking drive was a health issue are now noticing that the antis are trying to ban something which doesn’t have any health issues, but merely mimics the act of smoking. For all the antis squirming and weasel words, it is obvious to all that their antipathy to e-cigs is nothing to do with health and everything to do with zealotry. And the more that TCI tries to ban e-cigs, the shakier the foundations on which they stand become. The e-cig issue, combined with the ever more outlandish claims by TCI (like third-hand smoke, for instance) will be their undoing. Their carefully constructed web of lies and exaggeration is starting to unravel, which is why they are becoming ever more shrill and demanding, which in turn further weakens their position. Unless they can nip e-cigs in the bud, or learn to live with them, they will become locked into an ever descending spiral.

    I watch with interest.

  7. waltc says:

    OT: Nothing we don’t know but nicely put. Title tells it all

    http://frontpagemag.com/2013/frontpagemag-com/inside-every-liberal-is-a-totalitarian-screaming-to-get-out-2/

    Excerpt :

    Inside the Progressive Mind
    By N. A. Halkides

    The Progressive believes in precisely two things: his own magnificence and the constructive power of brute force. In combination, they lead him naturally from the role of pestiferous busybody to brutal dictator. Where the productive man dreams of the things he might create if only left alone by his fellows, the Progressive dreams of the world he could create if only the lives and property of his fellows were at his disposal. The roots of his pathology lie in that oldest and most destructive of all human vices, the desire for the power to rule over other men.

    As naked power-lust is a rather ugly motive, the Progressive rationalizes his desire to rule as a concern for human welfare, seeing himself as a great humanitarian, far superior morally to the lesser beings who pursue merely “materialist” ends such as their own prosperity and who frequently object to his program for achieving Utopia……”

    He goes on to single out Bloomberg as prototype.

  8. mike says:

    Today is world no tobacco day. You don’t see a ‘world start smoking day’.

    I wonder why that is?

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      It looks like the Nazis couldnt get any busses or higher any protestors this time around!

      Around 20 protest against lifting of smoking ban in Bulgaria’s capital
      31 May 2013 | 10:27 | FOCUS News Agency
      Home / Bulgaria
      Sofia. Around 20 people are staging a protest in front of the building of the Bulgarian National Assembly in the capital city Sofia. The demonstration is organised against the lifting of the full smoking ban at public places, FOCUS News Agency reporter informed.
      The protesters are holding posters, some of which read, as follows: “The civil society is not asleep”, “Health is a right, not the smoke poisoning”, “We want clean air at the public establishments”, “Ban-permission – no more”, “No to the rejection of the ban”, “We are Europeans, we smoke outside”, “We want to be together, not in separate rooms”, “Health is more precious than economy”, and others.
      There is stepped-up police presence around the building of the parliament.

      • harleyrider1978 says:

        In fact 90% of the stories out there today are nothing more than press releases around the globe of WNTD! Nobody seems to be doing any written stories in support of it anywhere I can find.

    • beobrigitte says:

      Today is world no tobacco day.

      Is it?
      It is noticeable that I am not the only one not interested in it.

      • nisakiman says:

        World no tobacco day? Never bloody heard of it. Really. This is the first time. Is it new?

        Well, they can stick it, along with the UK no smoking day, where the sun don’t shine.

  9. Ripper says:

    These things have really taken off in the past couple of months where I work. There are, at a guess, around 1,000 employees, of which, at another guess, around a third of them smoke (including myself). The company policy on e-cigs is the same as for real ones – that is, only during break times, and only in the smoking shelter. Therefore I smoke real ones at work, since there is no point to walking half a mile to the smoking shelter to vape an e-cig, I may as well have the real thing.

    Still, in the smoking shelter the e-cigs are beginning to outnumber the real ones. Some guy on there has started to sell e-cigs and liquid at work, and they have become very popular. I have one myself but only use it at home, and I must say that I haven’t touched my tobacco at home over the 3 months that I’ve had the e-cig. Not only do I find it as satisfying as the real thing (I use Virginia Rolling flavour 24mg) but I can vape whilst watching a film or in the presence of visitors, whereas previously I used to stand at the back door to smoke (my own rule, of my own free will). This was always uncomfortable in bad/cold weather, but was effective in preventing the interior of the house from yellowing paint etc. and the after smell which non smoking visitors may not like (not that anyone has ever complained – just me trying to be considerate, just like my visitors are with me when I go to see them at their houses).

    I realise, from comments here and on other pro-smoking blogs that smokers and vapers do not get along too well. I am both. I have no intention of ever giving up smoking but the e-cig is convenient for me. It is merely another means to the same end – nicotine delivery. This is why I can’t see a reason (not a good one anyway) for the division between smokers and vapers. We are all one, and as far as the health zealots are concerned we sing from the same hymn sheet. Both tobacco and e-cigs are a barrier to Pfizer’s NRT profits and I believe that we will only defeat them by being united in the cause. Not only smokers/vapers but drinkers and fatties as well.

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      Nothing can replace natural herb! Nothing

    • beobrigitte says:

      I realise, from comments here and on other pro-smoking blogs that smokers and vapers do not get along too well.

      I don’t think this is the case. Some e-cig manufacturers’ produce looks even like a cigarette. I own one of them, bought out of curiosity.
      Then there are the manufacturers who create e-cigs that look utopic and sell them using the anti-smoker’s lies.
      Every tobacco smoker I know wishes them to go to hell along with the anti-smokers.

      Both tobacco and e-cigs are a barrier to Pfizer’s NRT profits and I believe that we will only defeat them by being united in the cause.

      I agree. In Germany the anti-smokers had the idea of creating a law that would allow e-cigs to be available only on prescription in a pharmacy. The e-cigs manufacturers are fighting back – quite rightly so – and, so far, they were successful.

  10. Rose says:

    Frank

    Fast-approaching asteroid has its own small moon

    “Earth will soon get a visit from not one asteroid, but two. The first radar images of asteroid 1998 QE2 have revealed that the incoming space rock has an unexpected companion – a small moon that may be the key to unlocking the asteroid’s secrets.

    Astronomers have been tracking the larger asteroid since it was discovered in 1998. Calculations of its orbit around the sun show that it will swing about 5.8 million kilometres from our home planet, or about 15 times the distance between Earth and the moon, at 2059 UTC (2159 British Summer Time, 1659 Eastern Standard Time) on 31 May.”
    http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn23624-fastapproaching-asteroid-has-its-own-small-moon.html?cmpid=RSS|NSNS|2012-GLOBAL|online-news

    • Frank Davis says:

      Thanks for that, Rose. Fox News

      several different organizations, including the Slooh Space Telescope and the Virtual Telescope Project, will broadcast live views of the near-Earth asteroid’s close approach from professional-quality observatories around the world. You can watch it live right here at FoxNews.com, starting at 4:30 p.m. EDT (2030 GMT).

      Space.com

  11. I see people using e-cigs every single day nowadays. It always makes me smile widely, best recently was a very good-looking 20 something I saw from the bus on the way to the tube station on Wednesday. Vaping away as if it were the most natural thing in the world. An anti-smoker would have had a coronary.

    :)

  12. smokingscot says:

    O/T. Next time you chat with Weil, can you let us know if this really will happen?

    http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2013/05/smoking_ban_to_be_reinstated_i.php

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