EU Loses Europe’s Trust

Something worth reading in the Guardian:



“The damage is so deep that it does not matter whether you come from a creditor, debtor country, euro would-be member or the UK: everybody is worse off,” said José Ignacio Torreblanca, head of the ECFR’s Madrid office. “Citizens now think that their national democracy is being subverted by the way the euro crisis is conducted.”

I’m not surprised. Not that it’ll make any difference to the political class, which remains completely wedded to the EU, and smoking bans, and global warming – all of which are beginning to look more and more like the weird customs and practices of some ancien regime just before it was overthrown, and its leaders bloodily butchered.

Yet I suppose that I’m one of the 20% that changed their mind about the EU over the past 5 years. I used to be in favour of it. Happy family of nations, and all that. Now I think it’s a Frankenstein monster.

Roll on UKIP, affectionately considered by Peter Oborne:

Started by New Labour (who copied it from Clinton’s New Democrats) and duplicated in turn by Conservative modernisers, manipulative populism has hollowed out the three main political parties. Voters have recoiled in despair from what they perceive as their artifice and deceit, and alighted instead on Mr Farage, with his pint of beer, his Rothmans, his cheerful saloon-bar views and his patent authenticity. As a result, Ukip has ceased to be just a single-issue party. It has steadily widened into a broad-based national revolt against a remote and cynical ruling elite.

It’s the Rothmans that matters most.

Contrast Farage with (H/T roobeedoo) antismoking eurocrat Catherine Ashton:

“Recently Ashton, the European Union’s high representative for foreign affairs and security policy, took the elevator to the ground floor of her agency’s Brussels headquarters and marched into the building’s inner courtyard. A pavilion there allows smokers to stay dry even on rainy days. On this particular one, though, it wasn’t raining in Brussels for once, and a few EU employees stood smoking outside the structure. They were more than a little surprised when Ashton appeared in front of them and asked that they please step inside the pavilion, because otherwise their cigarette smoke would waft into the offices on the building’s upper floors.”

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29 Responses to EU Loses Europe’s Trust

  1. Phil J says:

    That just shows you what a complete and utter prat baroness ashton really is! How much is that silly cow defrauding us of each week for doing piss all ?

  2. junican says:

    I must admit that I found that hard to believe, Frank. When did Ashton become a Monarch?

    Incredible, isn’t it, that the ‘happy family of nations’, with common, agreed laws where appropriate, has turned into a fascist dictatorship. How on earth did it happen? How was the first step taken? Could it be that agricultural subsidies permitted the imposition of conditions? Have such subsidies, whether agricultural or other, been used deliberately to impose authority? To what extend does the EU exercise ‘protection’ against non-members’ imports? Is that the reason that countries like Cyprus are desperate to stay in the EU? Is the Euro just such a symbol of authority? You see, I don’t see any reason that the Euro should not be a simple, common currency throughout the EU, freely exchangeable with the local currency. For example, there is no reason that shops in England should not accept Euros, provided that their tills could do the conversion of Euros to pounds simply, according to the rate of exchange at the time. You could even envisage the possibility of a person going to his local shop and asking if it has any euros to sell, if he is intending to go on holiday soon. But what is important is that, locally, within the local economy, people could trade in their local currency without external Euro considerations having any effect.

    What it comes down to is that the Euro was artificially imposed upon diverse economies. In other words, events elsewhere in Europe could seriously affect the internal economy of, say, Ireland.

    In the USA, things are happening which would never have been imagined. Price differentials in, say, cigs would be in terms of cents here or there. Now, in New York State, the price differential is such that anyone who buys cigs at the State imposed price is stupid. Much better to buy from white van man, who got the fags from the State of Virginia, or wherever.

    It is no use Cameron and co saying that they want to reduce the EU budget. What they should do is close down the EU Health Dept and sundry other similar Depts. Just shut them down. Shut down the EU Climate Control Dept. Shut it.

    • Frank Davis says:

      How on earth did it happen?

      I think some people would say that it was always the intention for it to be a ‘fascist dictatorship’ from the very outset, but this was concealed behind syrupy words like “family” and “common market” and “community”, which were intended to misdirect people as to the true nature of the beast, and actually succeeded in misdirecting them.

      It would seem that some people – perhaps lots of people – are natural authoritarians who think that political power is all about the imposition of authority. Hence Ashton and her ilk. And smoking bans. And countless numbers of petty rules and regulations. That’s how some people think. And they know no other way to think.

  3. smokervoter says:

    Nigel Farage is a rarity in this day and age of the goody-two-shoe rulemaker. He’s a rulebreaker who actually has enough gumption to stand for office. You see, that’s the problem in a nutshell with governance; only sissy la-la, teacher’s pet types are attracted to telling people what to do and how to conduct their business. They love that warm fuzzy feeling of saving lives and making the world a better place.

    Case in point. In my little city they’ve been doing a bit of Keynesian pump-priming by resurfacing and restriping the streets. That’s all fine and dandy and if it produces a multiplier effect and boosts the economy so much the better.

    But someone with Agenda 21 running through their veins has gotten into the planning process and there are oversized bike lanes all over the place now and the streets look like a confusing, ridiculous rats maze. And worst of all, just today I see that on one of the main thoroughfares they’ve gone and colored the bike lane in a 1970 vintage, Paul Ehrlich-Earth Day Sage shade of green. The contrast with the black asphalt is godawful. Whoever signed on to this plan should be forced to write “I am an insufferable, archaic idealist” on the chalkboard one-thousand times.

    They’ve succeeded in making me detest the color green. I used to like green. The bright greens of the tropics are astounding the first time you lay eyes on them. Tropical flora and fauna tend to be viciously defensive, nice to look at but watch out for those gnarly spears. After a week out in the sandy brown Mojave desert you really appreciate the verdant mountains and valleys back in civilisation. The grey green of the sahuaro cactus however is a sight to behold. No, it’s that 1970 vintage Paul Ehrlich-Earth Day Shaman shade of green that makes me want to puke.

    These are the same councilors who ban smoking at the parks and beaches on their first day in office and go jogging around town with ‘Sunshine, Lolipops and Rainbows Everywhere’ tinkling through the earbuds.

    I wish I had a Nigel Farage to vote for, I’m so burned out on cornball altruism it ain’t funny. Someone please kick the phonograph, the record is stuck in 1970.

    • beobrigitte says:

      Someone please kick the phonograph, the record is stuck in 1970.

      I really don’t care which country first kicks the record player – It has to be done pretty soon, though before the recession kicks the anti-smokers out.

  4. Walt says:

    I laughed out loud all through the post above. We’ve been bike-laned here in Bloomburg too but the lanes, which cause even greater traffic snarls than usual, are only used by bike messengers who ignore traffic lights entirely, go both ways on one-way avenues and seem generally determined to solve the problems of Medicare and Social Security by running over as many old ladies as possible.

    I’ll go one further than smoker-voter. If you guys elect Farage and undo the ban, i’ll move to London though I hate your climate.

    • beobrigitte says:

      Peddle bikes………… In my youth they were a means to get from A to B. Nowadays there is a huge market for them – and the lycra that goes with it. (Don’t make me describe the details!!!!!! – Some do remind me of a scene in ‘Spinal Tap’)

      I don’t mind riding a bike because I can smoke at the same time (did that in the 70s all the time) but I can see that some of the racers would not like to ride though my “cloud of smoke” and since I do react to stupid comments I can also see too many arguments boiling up, so I’d be in far too late for work – and in an even fouler mood than usual.

      Walt, don’t limit yourself to London! The Northerners are very warm, welcoming people and add the best humour life can provide!!! In times when I relied on the local bus service there was hardly a day where there wasn’t a complete stranger making me laugh about something.

      • smokervoter says:

        This might come as a surprise to some, but I actually own a bicycle and occasionally ride it. My default ride is down to the tobacco shop to pick up a pound of baccy and cig tubes. I make a point of blatantly smoking both ways, there and back. It’s a joy to fold, spindle and mutilate John Q Public’s expectations of a look-at-me lycra-clad, safety-helmeted cyclist.

        I only wish I had a see-through backpack so they could see my tobacco purchase.

        I prefer to use the sidewalks just like I did as a kid. It always made sense to me, the streets are for cars and the sidewalks are for bikes. On the rare occasion that I encounter a pedestrian utilizing said sidewalk, I temporarily hit the street. I like to ride facing traffic. All of this is out the window now with the bike lanes. There will be an increase in traffic tickets for both the cyclists and the motorists.

        My solution will be to do what I’ve always done, stick to the alleyways and lightly traveled side streets. I’ll ride where they ain’t. That is if I even bother. Bicycling is just marginally entertaining anyway. It’s a step above running, which bores me to tears. The only time I ever liked to run was with a football tucked under my arm or on the approach to the high jump bar.

        The only problem is that nobody will have their happy-sappy concept of healthy living shattered by watching me smoke while I pedal my bike anymore.

    • nisakiman says:

      A little ‘bike lane’ anecdote from a Greek island: The main town applied for, and got funding (from the money tree in Brussels) for a network of bike lanes, locking stands and rentabikes. Much chaos ensued in an already sclerotic traffic system where all the bike lanes were being laid out, plus a huge amount of street parking was lost (and of course not replaced) in a place where finding a parking spot has been a nightmare for years.

      So, the final tranche of funding was due to be paid; all that remained was the inspection and approval of the works. Unfortunately, the great and the good from on high, for some obscure reason thought that a bike lane going against the traffic flow in a really busy road, with nothing separating bike and truck but the odd rubber flap in the road was not in keeping with their safety codes. So they declined to release the final tranche. And the bike lanes (which would never have been used anyway) gradually became repopulated with their original denizens, the cars and vans. And that red asphalt they used to mark the bike lanes makes for a handy ‘parking zone’ indication.

      And all this, from inception to dissolution, was achieved in about three years. I’m not sure how much it cost the European taxpayers, but you can be sure it was a lot, and you can be equally sure that a good percentage of it was creamed off by the people involved in the scheme.

  5. harleyrider1978 says:

    Drum Rolls…………………………….
    Illinois Senate votes down college smoking ban

    In Owebummers Nazi state of all places,this should send shivers to the rest of the Nazi smokefree world!

  6. harleyrider1978 says:

    DEBATE: Should smoking be banned in cars when children are present?

    John Davidson

    “When driving Little Johnny home fathers knowingly crack a window as he knows his smoke can irritate Lil Johnny. But generations upon generations of this happening with no problems or health problems,we all can deduce the ban on smoking in cars just like that of smoking indoors is just another Probitional movement by the smokefree so called Nazis. They are called nazis not because they condone killing jews,but because they reused Hitlers PASSERVACHEN/PASSIVE SMOKING propaganda to push for anti-smoking laws the same as which Hitler pushed thru in 1937!

    Can anyone imagine not smoking during the BLITZ! Now here they are instituting Hitlers laws on us all!”

    • Reinhold says:

      “Passivrauchen”, Harley, not “Passervachen”.

      • harleyrider1978 says:

        Rein What ya expect from a kentucky tobacco growing redneck…………….DAng I cant get no respects around here! LOL………..

        • harleyrider1978 says:

          surprise to discover that the phrase “passive smoking” (Passivrauchen) was coined not by contemporary American admen, but by Fritz Lickint, the author of the magisterial 1100-page Tabak und Organismus (“Tobacco and the Organism”)

          Your right Reinhold I went back to my stash and thare it were!

        • Reinhold says:

          DAng I cant get no respects around here! LOL………..

          Well, I thought you might get even more respect elsewhere if you know how to write “Passivrauchen” accurately. This was my only inducement to heavy-heartedly correct your spelling. :-)

      • harleyrider1978 says:

        I know I was funnin………….

  7. Rose says:

    Frank, looking up ASH polls, I just seem to have found the long version of Deborah Arnott’s infamous Smoke and Mirrors.

    It seems to answer a lot of questions.

    Comprehensive Smokefree legislation in England: How advocacy won the day
    D Arnott, M Dockrell, A Sandford and I Willmore

    “The UK discussions section of the international email network for those working in tobacco control, GLOBALink, was used as a campaigning tool reaching over 700 key people in tobacco control on a regular basis with news about how the campaign was developing and how they could help.

    Through this network, for example, 5,000 postcards
    were sent to the Prime Minister calling on him to bring in comprehensive smokefree legislation.”

    “Extra pressure was put on employers in the hospitality trade to go smokefree by threatening them with the possibility of employee legal action under existing health and safety law.

    ASH collaborated with major trade union lawyers Thompsons to achieve this.
    In January 2004 we wrote to the 100 largest UK hospitality trade employers warning them of their legal duty of care to employees and that the ‘date of guilty knowledge’ had
    passed and sending each of them a copy of the QC’s opinion that ASH had obtained to this effect.
    This meant that they would be likely to be held liable by the courts for any health damage caused by secondhand smoke.

    In April 2004 Thompson’s, in collaboration with ASH, also launched a freephone hotline offering free legal help to
    employees who had suffered ill health as a result of secondhand smoke exposure to enable them to take legal action against their employers.”

    “Both these initiatives had a significant impact on the hospitality trade which was their desired aim.
    The hospitality trade wanted a level playing field and protection from litigation, which comprehensive national legislation would provide.

    In fact, although more of the more than 50 cases on Thompson’s books made it to court before the legislation
    was passed, the threat of court action proved almost as powerful as the reality would have been”

    Click to access ASH_675.pdf

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      There was a lil section to part of the health debate we had here awhile back where a section was removed as part of a cover up over not being able to prove shs harm!
      If I can find it.

      • Rose says:

        This one Harley? Read it quick, while it’s still working.

        9 The evidential link between individual circumstances of exposure to risk in
        exempted premises will be hard to establish. In essence, HSE cannot produce epidemiological evidence to link levels of exposure to SHS to the raised risk of contracting specific diseases and it is therefore difficult to prove health-related breaches of the Health and Safety at Work Act.”

        Click to access 255_15.pdf

    • Frank J says:

      “In fact, although more of the more than 50 cases on Thompson’s books made it to court before the legislation”

      Do we know the results of these cases? Did they, in fact, make it to Court? Never heard a peep! If any had worked, it’s difficult to see it wouldn’t have been shouted from the rooftops by ASH and Thompsons.

  8. harleyrider1978 says:

    But of all the trashy science in this tawdry document, it is the appendix that is truly –


    Appendix A: Assessment of causality

    Assessment of the relationship between and exposure and a particular outcome is made on the balance of all the available evidence. Sir Austin Bradford-Hill proposed several considerations to be taken into account, which have been widely used and adapted. Some key considerations follow.

    Strength of the association

    Strong associations are more likely to be causal than weak ones. Weak associations are more likely to be explained by undetected biases. However, this does not rule out the possibility of a weak association being causal.

    Consistency of the association

    An association is more likely to be causal when a number of similar results emerge from different studies done in different populations. Lack of consistency, however, does not rule out a causal association.


    For an exposure to cause an outcome, it must precede the effect.


    Is there a biologically plausible mechanism by which the exposure could cause the outcome? The existence of a plausible mechanism may strengthen the evidence for causality; however, lack of such a mechanism may simply reflect limitations in the current state of knowledge.

    Biological gradient

    The observation that an increasing dose of an exposure increases the risk of an outcome strengthens the evidence for causality. Again, however, absence of a dose-response, does not rule out a causal association.


    Coherence implies that the association does not conflict with current knowledge about the outcome.

    Experimental evidence

    Experimental studies in which changing the level of an exposure is found to change the risk of an outcome provide strong evidence for causality. Such studies may not, however, always be possible, for practical or ethical reasons.

    Any woman who takes any drug while pregnant is guilty of inflicting it on another innocent individual, unforgivable, but that does not justify this arrogant, mendacious, tract of unscientific rubbish. The emphasised words are all additions to the great man’s rules that actually completely reverse their meaning. The defilement of Hill’s precepts, mainly by use of the logical fallacy argumentum ad ignorantiam, is an unprecedented disgrace, which in a just world would result in the authors being drummed out of their profession.

  9. cherie79 says:

    Last time I was in Ireland you could pay in Euros or Sterling, they just asked at the till and it didn’t seem to be a problem. I think I said before that John Major did propose a common currency that could evolve natually but it was shot down of course like every other common sense proposal.

  10. beobrigitte says:

    I wholeheartedly agree – ROLL ON NIGEL FARAGE!!! for the same reason:
    It’s the Rothmans that matters most.

    The more I read about Mr. Farage, the more he begins to appeal as a prime minister. He does remind me of a, highly intelligent, “Spitzbube”, (google translate identifies this as “rascal”), which is something this government needs.
    As I am eligible to vote in this country, I have looked for my local UKIP representative. I was pleasantly surprised that it is a young man I have read much about. He seems quite a character, too. Prior to the next election I will send an email to this young man just to make sure UKIP will bring smoker’s lounges back!

    Contrast Farage with (H/T roobeedoo) antismoking eurocrat Catherine Ashton:

    YIKES! From what I’ve read this Mrs. Ashton is busy looking busy doing nothing. (I’d like a job like that!) And she does moan about smokers.
    Clearly we’ve all had it with the likes of these to upper level lower jaw!
    Go and get a job, Mrs. Ashton – and shut the f*ck up!

  11. harleyrider1978 says:

    On Duh ROAD AGAIN…………..

    Just got the Jeep back from paint and the new fenders with chrome accessories on it. Next New Top and carpet with new seats……….then a new steering Column.

  12. harleyrider1978 says:

    “Surrey County Council invests £12m in tobacco while promoting anti-smoking message

    Surrey County Council (SCC) has been accused of a shocking conflict of interest after taking over the task of helping people quit smoking, while investing more than £12m in tobacco companies.

    Campaigners and opposition councillors have slammed the conflict of interest that has arisen since SCC took over responsibility for public health, including anti-smoking initiatives, on April 1.

    The council has £12.5m of its pension fund invested in tobacco companies including British American Tobacco and Japan Tobacco.


  13. harleyrider1978 says:

    European Union Spending Millions to Silence Critics

    Auditors have refused to sign off on EU accounts for 18 years in a row, and EU officials have been sacked for exposing corruption and fraud within the vast bureaucracy.

    The European Union (EU) is pouring millions of pounds into organizations that advocate state control of the press. For many, the funding — uncovered recently by Telegraph journalist Andrew Gilligan — is yet further evidence of the EU’s increasingly Orwellian, authoritarian nature. The Soviet dissident Vladimir Bukovsky has for years referred to the organization as the EUSSR.

    One recipient of European taxpayers’ money, Mediadem, for example, has been given 2.3 million pounds. Mediadem describes its mission as working to “reclaim a free and independent media.” Addressing the topical issue of how to restructure the system of redress for those wrongfully accused or defamed by newspapers, Mediadem recommends the “imposition of sanctions beyond an apology or correction” and the “co-ordination of the journalistic profession at the European level.”

    Mediadem’s representative, Dr Craufurd Smith, has written, “Liberal conceptions of media freedom focus on editorial freedom for government interference…. [however] states may also be required to take positive measures to curtail the influence of powerful economic or political groups…. this entails that neither the media, nor those individuals who own or work for the media, enjoy an absolute right to freedom of expression.”

    Would anyone like to start placing bets on when the EU will be history!

  14. John Gray says:

    “all of which are beginning to look more and more like the weird customs and practices of some ancien regime just before it was overthrown, and its leaders bloodily butchered.” – Frank

    Yes, Frank, bloodily butchering some of these people is something I occasionally fantasise about.
    The guillotine would be good and I take the French view that if you chop off the head the rest goes too! Allez Les Bleus!

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