Same As It Ever Was

Back home again, after house-sitting for my brother. Nothing has changed. Same as it ever was:

“There are people who just need a cause that’s bigger than themselves,” said Happer. “Then they can feel virtuous and say other people are not virtuous.”

That’s exactly how it is with antismokers. They gain in virtue at the expense of everyone else.

So why does the public hear only one side of this debate? Because the media do an awful job of reporting it.

“They’re absolutely lousy,” he said of American journalists. “That’s true also in Europe. I don’t know why they’ve been brainwashed.”

Well, everyone’s been brainwashed about the perils of tobacco. They’ve had 60 years of it, after all.

Except Freeman Dyson and William Happer are physicists, and they’re talking about global warming. It’s just that I can’t help but notice the parallels between global warming zealots and antismoking zealots. And if I can see that, then why can’t a few global warming sceptics not see the converse too? Why aren’t climate sceptics like James Delingpole (who is a smoker) pointing out the parallels of antismoking pseudoscience with climate pseudoscience? Because they’ve been brainwashed, that’s why.

I suppose that one difference is that the global warming zealots use computer simulation models, while that antismoking zealots use statistics. I suppose that we ought to be thankful that there isn’t some public health simulation model which shows that if we don’t stop smoking and drinking and spooning down condensed milk right this minute we’ll all be dead by 2050. But then, isn’t that more or less exactly what they’re saying? That we will all be dead in a few years if we don’t take their advice? And they do it with numbers, just like the climate scientists. And numbers that nobody can understand, just like with climate science.

Elsewhere, an anecdotal report of a collapse in Conservative grassroot support:

These were Tory stalwarts, always willing to leaflet, canvass, buy raffle tickets and support events.  When I resigned from the Council and quit the Conservatives they were still there, plugging away, doing their bit to further what they believed to be conservatism.  I lost touch with them when I withdrew from party politics, but hadn’t forgotten them.

With the county council elections coming up, I asked them how the campaigning was going.  I admit to being shocked to find that they had all left the Conservatives two years ago.  There are people in every party that one can look at and think, ‘their heart’s not in it, they’ll pack it in before long’.  But these three were not people one could ever have imagined as capable of being so disaffected as to walk away.  Enough, it turns out, was enough.  Everyone has different motives for their actions, so naturally an enquiry was made about why they had all quit (they are all unrelated but long standing friends of each other).  The answer in each case was… David Cameron.

It transpires true blue, ‘instinctive eurosceptic’ Dave has managed to alienate members so much that these hardcore, grassroots supporters who are the engine room of election campaigns, had turned their back on the party.  They cited Cameron’s hypocrisy over EU membership, his refusal to cut spending so only the essentials are funded,  and his indecent haste to jettison conservative principles in favour of Lib Dem and consensus fudges that suit no one but the establishment.   And, they were adamant, they are not going back.  They have come around to sharing my view that Cameron isn’t conservative and what is on offer is materially no different from that advanced by the Lib Dems and Labour.

It’s what I’ve been saying for some time: Cameron isn’t a Conservative. All three main UK parties are indistinguishable from each other. No wonder Conservatives are turning to UKIP in increasing numbers. There’s nowhere else to go.

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19 Responses to Same As It Ever Was

  1. harleyrider1978 says:

    That we will all be dead in a few years if we don’t take their advice? And they do it with numbers, just like the climate scientists. And numbers that nobody can understand, just like with climate science.

    B.S. Study: 600,000 People Die Worldwide From Secondhand Smoke Every Year

    http://grendelreport.posterous.com/bs-study-600000-people-die-worldwide-from-sec

    Green Hell Blog
    How Environmentalists Plan to Control Your Life and What You Can Do to Stop Them
    http://greenhellblog.com/2010/12/12/s

  2. junican says:

    It strikes me that the Warmists have taken a couple of decades to quietly build up ‘a scientific consensus’. But one might ask why they have done so.
    It may be that they have beavered away researching and become convinced of global warming. It is not unusual for people who have arrived at some theory to believe that their theory MUST BE TRUE. Thus, their theory becomes of paramount importance in their minds. Thus, they become tyrannical in defending their theory. In other words, their THEORY becomes a kind of RELIGIOUS BELIEF.
    However, the defence of their belief is almost entirely destructive. Let us compare that with Michael Faraday’s defence of his belief that an electric current could be generated by a changing magnetic field. He could actually illustrate the physical effect. He could show that his theory is true.
    The Warmists, however, can do no such thing. They must rely upon A FURTHER EXTENSION OF THE BELIEF, which is that the present state of the global temperature is not important. ALL WILL BE REVEALED IN DUE COURSE. So, the Warmists believe in prophesy.

    The answer to the question of “Why do these people behave as they do” is simple. It is normal, human frailty. They have become prophets who cannot countenance the possibility of being wrong.

    As regards the destructiveness of the prophets, I think that it is abundantly clear that the logical conclusion of their BELIEFS is that many things that we take for granted must be stopped. Shipping, in all its forms must be stopped. Even sail powered boats must be stopped because they take energy out of the atmosphere. That may mean that a seal dies in the arctic, and should not be allowed. Motorised transport must be stopped. Even bicycling produces too much CO2.

    Why does Government put up with this crap? The answer is simple. The people we elect as politicians are not, and cannot be, the GOVERNMENT. They are too ignorant (meaning lacking in knowledge).

    Crazy though it may seem, perhaps the political solution to our problems is to go back to all powerful Kings and Queens. The idea of ‘Prime Ministers Passing’ has had its day. Popinjays like Cameron (and Clegg and Milliband) have had their day.

    We need to elect the Governor of the Bank of England. We need to elect the Chief Medical Officer. We need to elect the CEO of our local authority.

  3. Radical Rodent says:

    It is time that the “denialist” label was affixed to the correct people; not to those who are merely unconvinced by the alarm (i.e. you and I), but to those who deny that this is a science that can be questioned; who deny that the subject is too vast to be able to make conclusive statements; who deny that the chief suspect (CO2) is really a very, very small part of the equation; who deny that all the empirical evidence points to there being no correlation between CO2 levels and warming; who deny that there could be another cause; who deny that this could be just a natural cycle over which we have NO CONTROL (probably the biggest reason for their fears?); who deny that the effects so far have not been as dire as they have trumpeted – they even deny the observable facts: there has been no warming for over a decade and a half!

  4. Rose says:

    Lessons Learned From Tobacco Control Should be Applied to Climate Policy
    December 15, 2009

    “The approach the world has taken to tobacco control holds many lessons for the COP-15 Climate Change Conference in Copenhagen. A newly-published article in The Lancet (available with free registration) summarizes the many similarities between tobacco control and climate policy, and how the lessons learned from tobacco control can be applied to the way countries approach climate policy.
    Deja Vu All Over Again

    For both issues, the scientific evidence mounted gradually over the years. Both tobacco and climate change negatively impact public health and disproportionately affect poorer countries and lower socioeconomic groups. Both have long lead times between cause and effect, and the solutions for both require significant political will, comprehensive international policies, and long-term monitoring.

    Climate change is similar to the issue of secondhand smoke in the sense that the damage both cause constitute “externalities.”
    http://www.prwatch.org/news/2009/12/8767/lessons-learned-tobacco-control-should-be-applied-climate-policy

  5. harleyrider1978 says:

    Did somebody say MEDIA BLITZ!

    In the last hour

    England’s Smoking Ban Linked To Annual 5% Drop In Emergency Admissions… Medical News Today 05:17

    Driving whilst smoking should be banned say motorists Cars UK 05:16

    In the last 2 hours

    Smoking ban ‘cut asthma admissions’ GPonline.com 04:48

    Smoking ban credited for fall in asthma hospital emergencies This is Somerset 04:35

    Asthma admissions drop after smoking ban ITV News 04:15

    In the last 4 hours

    Should smoking and driving be banned? visordown.com 03:48

    HSJ Live 16.4.2013: Don Berwick to talk about lessons for NHS Health Service Journal 03:35

    Smoking ban cuts asthma admissions ITV News 03:14

    Bath study: Smoking ban credited for fall in… This is Bath 03:08

    Pub TV war hots up The Political Economy of Football 02:48

    In the last 6 hours

    Sudbury Board of Health to look at updating tobacco regulations The MetroWest Daily News, Massachusetts 00:59

    Smoking ban linked to 1,900 fewer A&E admissions for asthma patients guardian.co.uk 00:02

    In the last 8 hours

    Smoking ban cuts asthma ITV News 23:31 Mon, 15 Apr 2013

    Smoking ban has led to a 5% fall in emergency hospital admissions… Daily Mail 23:02 Mon, 15 Apr 2013

    Earlier today

    Smoke ban link to fewer admissions York Evening Press 18:15 Mon, 15 Apr 2013

    Yesterday

    England’s smoking ban linked to annual 5 percent drop in emergency admissions… EurekAlert! 17:44 Mon, 15 Apr 2013

    England’s smoking ban linked to annual five percent drop in emergency admissions… Medical Xpress 17:34 Mon, 15 Apr 2013

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      Research: Asthma found to be strongly associated to unhealthy Western dietary patterns

      Monday, April 15, 2013 by: David Gutierrez, staff writer
      http://www.naturalnews.com/039914_asthma_processed_foods_standard_American_diet.html

      http://www.liberal-vision.org/2013/04/15/smoking-ban-health-miracles/

      Smoking ban health miracles
      April 15th, 2013 Posted in health, pseudo science by Guest

      Good stuff

    • smokingscot says:

      They usually crank up the volume much closer to the anniversary of the smoking ban (1 July). Things must be going rather badly for them with the smoking in cars. That Osborne dared to kick the 5% escalator into touch has really irked this lot. They see that as a whacking great defeat. Plain packs, banning it in all vehicles etc., etc. – must maintain the momentum, otherwise they may cut or stop their funding.

      Trouble is Harley that it all sounds so trite, so utterly banal against the real news story of the day – Boston.

      But TCI really couldn’t give a flying fart about the real world. Just funding, lavish lifestyles and that cuddly warm feeling of being puppet masters.

  6. harleyrider1978 says:

    From the comments in the GUARDIAN
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2013/apr/16/smoking-ban-fewer-asthma-patients?fb=native&commentpage=1

    chuckler

    16 April 2013 11:10am
    Recommend
    3

    One hesitates for fear of infuriating the “anti-smokers” but … This “article” is headlined :-

    Smoking ban linked to 1,900 fewer A&E admissions for asthma patients

    Researchers find annual 5% fall in number of asthma sufferers admitted since smoking was banned in public places in 2007

    and opening lines of the “article” are :-

    The smoking ban in public places has been linked to 1,900 fewer emergency hospital admissions for asthma patients every year, researchers have found.

    The ban, which came into force in England in July 2007, has been associated with an annual 5% drop in adult admissions, they said.

    There you go ! Case made, Except, should you read on you will eventually stumble across (my emphasis)

    “[The study] provides further support to a growing body of national and international evidence of the positive effects that introducing smoke-free policies has on public health,” the authors said.

    But they cautioned that while the association they found was significant, it did not prove that the legislation was responsible for the fall in emergency admissions for asthma.

    Or – ‘we are of course desperate to say “smoking ban reduces incidence of asthma” but unfortunately we haven’t actually found irrefutable evidence that it has, so we’ll go with “there must be a connection” and leave the mainstream media to convert that to “there is a direct connection” headlines which the public will register as “the facts” …

    And as evident from the comments appearing here – job done !

  7. harleyrider1978 says:

    The latest junk science YOU AINT GONNA BELIEVE THIS ONE!

    Smoking in Vehicles is Lower than Mobile Telephone Use While Driving, but is Socially Patterned

    Abstract
    Legislation is being considered which bans smoking in cars carrying children under the age of 16. This was an observational survey of smoking by drivers and passengers and mobile phone use by drivers in 2,230 cars over three time periods in two Dublin locations. The observed prevalence of mobile telephone use (2.56%) was higher than smoking (1.39%) (p<0.01), but was low in both. There was no significant variation according to time of day. There was an inverse pattern according to car value for smoking drivers (p=0.029). Eight adult passengers and just one child were observed as being exposed to a smoking adult driver. In conclusion, the public health importance of regulating passive smoke exposure is clear but the resources required to police such a ban in vehicles may be labour intensive for the yield in detection or prevention.

    Methods
    This was an observational survey in Dublin city conducted in spring 2012. Two locations were chosen adjacent respectively to UCD teaching hospitals St Vincent’s University Hospital in the south-side and the Mater Misericordiae University Hospital in the north-side. Two observers were stationed at both the junction between Booterstown Avenue and the Rock Road, and the junction between North Circular Road and Dorset Street. The observers noted consecutive vehicles which were stopped at traffic lights. Each pair of observers had to record a minimum of 350 vehicles at each time slot (i.e. minimum of 1000 cars in total at each location). The study took place over two days between the times: 08:15 hours to 08:45 hours, 13:45 hours to 14:15 hours, 16:30 hours to 17:00 hours. If a driver or passenger was observed smoking or any driver was using a mobile phone in the car, the following data were recorded on a pre-piloted data sheet: gender, approximate age (65 years), make, model and year of car, and specifically for smoking, whether the window was open and if there was anyone else in the car (adult, school going child (as determined by uniform) or younger child). For reference purposes an additional observation of all cars was carried out in one observation period at the Booterstown location to record the make, model and year of 200 cars which passed that junction. Data were analysed using SPSS work package; the chi-squared test was used for comparisons of proportions.

    http://www.imj.ie//ViewArticleDetails.aspx?ArticleID=10612

  8. harleyrider1978 says:

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  9. margo says:

    I mostly agree with Radical Rodent here. But (IMHO) I think there is a big difference between Climate science and anti-smoking science. It seems to me that absolutely nobody quite knows for sure what is going on with the world’s climate and who or what (if anyone or anything) is the cause. I think any sound climate scientist would probably agree with this. Real science – observation and measuring and so on – are going on in the ice regions, the oceans and what-have-you, but definitive conclusions aren’t quite there yet.
    On the other hand, absolutely no real science has ever been done on smoking. The only ‘science’ that’s ever happened is junk epidemiology – as far as I know – with every ‘study’ repeating the flaws in the ones before it. I cannot imagine that any real scientist on this planet would fail to see through those flaws, since even I (no scientist) saw through them very easily, and the only qualification I had to do that with was a course I took in Statistics as part of a Psychology degree.
    I’m sure there are people hyping up (or down), and generally distorting and cherry-picking, climate science findings, for their own ideological and political purposes, and they are the scammers there (rather than the scientists). In the case of anti-smoking, just about everyone involved has got to be either a scammer or a stupid sheep. There is no real science there. That’s the difference, as I see it.

    • Rose says:

      Margo

      The warmists lost me when I found they had erased the Medieval Warm Period as too inconvenient.

      See what you make of this.

      “While Baroness Thatcher was at the forefront of Britain’s moves to set up the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, Lord Lawson said her motivation was to challenge the coalmining union and at the same raise support for nuclear power as a clean energy replacement for coal.”

      “I was as close to Margaret Thatcher as anybody at the time. The fact is initially she felt this issue needed to be looked into, but she was agnostic as to whether it was a serious problem or not.”

      “She was instrumental in having the IPCC set up, but it has changed greatly from what she intended as a fact finding organisation to become a lobby group.”

      Lord Lawson said Baroness Thatcher made her position clear in her memoirs and her later book Statecraft.

      “She did have reason for highlighting the possibility of global warming because the biggest threat to the UK energy security at the time was the stranglehold the Marxist National Union of Mine Workers had on the coal industry.

      “She felt Britain should not be so dependent on coal. She was in favour of building up nuclear energy to break the dependence on coal and the main opposition to nuclear came from the environment movement.
      Mrs Thatcher thought she could trap them with the carbon emissions argument.”
      http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/david-cameron-climate-support-misplaced-says-nigel-lawson/story-fn59niix-1226106247103

      A different interpretation.

      How Margaret Thatcher led the way on climate change

      “Nearly two decades before Al Gore raised awareness of climate change, Margaret Thatcher was calling for an international scientific body to investigate the issue.

      Back in 1988, however, it was a different politician who put the science of climate change firmly on the global agenda. Unbeknownst to many, that person was Margaret Thatcher.

      As a Fellow of the Royal Society, Britain’s national science academy, she presented a series of high profile speeches on the topic of climate change”
      http://www.abc.net.au/environment/articles/2013/04/09/3732680.htm

      Smoking was used in the 50’s to cover up the effects of city air pollution.

      Fear of political embarrassment led to government cover up of link between air

      “Delegates attending an international conference in London today to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Great London Smog of 1952, which caused an estimated 12,000 deaths, will hear how governments from the late 50s onwards deliberately downplayed the huge threat to public health caused by air pollution, and sought to shift the blame firmly onto cigarette smoking instead.”
      http: //www.lshtm.ac.uk/pressoffice/press_releases/2002/smogpollution.html

      So I do see a considerable similarity.

      • beobrigitte says:

        “I was as close to Margaret Thatcher as anybody at the time. The fact is initially she felt this issue needed to be looked into, but she was agnostic as to whether it was a serious problem or not.”

        I really can relate to this; I am agnostic as to whether it is a serious problem or not and I am still reading and trying to make up my mind. Unfortunately most of my questions go unanswered.

        “She was instrumental in having the IPCC set up, but it has changed greatly from what she intended as a fact finding organisation to become a lobby group.”

        Basically, some obsessed individuals with the knack of second car sales men’s blabb talk can turn a serious investigation into whatever they wish to peddle. The truth is unimportant.
        I am all for KICKING OUT LOBBY GROUPS. All of them.

  10. harleyrider1978 says:

    German state raids homes of 200 alleged tax cheats

    Posted: Apr 16, 2013 10:48 AM CDT Updated: Apr 16, 2013 10:48 AM CDT

    By FRANK JORDANS

    BERLIN (AP) — German authorities launched dawn raids on the homes of over 200 suspected tax cheats Tuesday, acting on information gleaned from a CD containing the confidential account details of thousands of Swiss bank clients.

    The top tax officials in the southwestern state of Rhineland-Palatinate said he expected to net some 500 million euros ($654 million) from the data, which German investigators bought for €4 million ($5.2 million) after deeming it “authentic and of excellent quality.”

    “This amount is testament to the high criminal energy used to hide capital gains,” Carsten Kuehl, the state’s finance minister, said in a statement.

    Kuehl didn’t say who had sold the CD containing the data or which Swiss banks were involved in the case.

    But prosecutors in the western city of Koblenz said Tuesday they had opened an investigation against unknown employees of Credit Suisse AG and its subsidiaries Clariden Leu AG and Neue Aargauer Bank. The probe focuses on whether the bank employees helped clients evade taxes and was sparked by the contents of the CD, said prosecutors.

    Credit Suisse said it was unaware of the existence of a “tax CD” or a legal investigation against its staff.

    Spokesman Marc Dosch said the bank has been warning its German customers for some time to resolve any outstanding tax issues.

    “If that doesn’t happen we will cut off those clients in the course of the year,” Dosch told The Associated Press.

    He noted that Credit Suisse came to an agreement with German authorities in 2011 to pay 150 million euros to end tax evasion proceedings against the bank.

    Germany has for years been aggressively pursuing people who hide money abroad. But while some of Germany’s 16 states have resorted to buying confidential bank data, the country’s federal government has been trying to sign an agreement with Switzerland to solve the issue of tax evasion once and for all. Opposition parties have so far blocked the deal, arguing that it amounts to an amnesty for German clients of Swiss banks.

    Switzerland and its banks, meanwhile, have condemned the practice of buying account information as tantamount to encouraging theft. Swiss banking secrecy is among the strictest in the world, with harsh penalties for those who break it.

    Read more: http://www.myfoxny.com/story/21991550/german-state-raids-homes-of-200-alleged-tax-cheats#ixzz2QemFEzOP

    • beobrigitte says:

      German authorities launched dawn raids on the homes of over 200 suspected tax cheats Tuesday, acting on information gleaned from a CD containing the confidential account details of thousands of Swiss bank clients.

      Well, I hope these raids do not exclude politicians……….

  11. beobrigitte says:

    “There are people who just need a cause that’s bigger than themselves,” said Happer. “Then they can feel virtuous and say other people are not virtuous.”

    That’s exactly how it is with antismokers. They gain in virtue at the expense of everyone else.

    There is no virtue being in an anti-smoker. There is distortion of facts to the point of science becoming a joke.

    B.S. Study: 600,000 People Die Worldwide From Secondhand Smoke Every Year

    Whilst all active smokers are still alive and kickin’ Just curious, WHAT EXACTLY do these passive smokers die of?

    England’s smoking ban linked to annual five percent drop in emergency admissions… Medical Xpress 17:34 Mon, 15 Apr 2013
    Oh, really? How do they explain Ambulances parked outside A&E for hours with patients when there it is clear that on admission these patients’ waiting time to be seen would breech the 4 hour “turn around” and therefore they will have to wait OUTSIDE A&E in an ambulance? (The 4 hour “turn around” target was introduced BY LABOUR years ago.)

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