Tobacco Control Is Our Enemy

Another link provided by Rose caught my eye today:

Almost a third (32%) of smokers surveyed in the East of England admit their children or family hates them smoking and a quarter (25%) enjoy smoking less nowadays because it makes them feel so guilty.

It isn’t that smoking makes them feel guilty. Tobacco Control is what has made them feel guilty.

And it’s Tobacco Control that has made their children and family hate them smoking too.

The way this passage is written, you’d think that smokers only have themselves to blame. But it’s not their fault at all. It’s Tobacco Control’s fault. They’re the people who have been setting children against parents, wives against husbands, husbands against wives. Tobacco Control sets people against each other – and then it gets them to blame themselves.

I’m lucky in this respect. I’m not married, and I have no children. So I’ve never experienced this sort of problem, although I’ve seen married smokers enduring it. It’s another reason why I’m almost completely immune to Tobacco Control. That and not having a TV or newspaper. They can’t reach me.

Proving loved ones can often come a poor second to cigarettes, almost one in five (18%) smokers confessed they could buy more for their family if they were to quit, according to figures released by the British Heart Foundation (BHF) to mark the launch of the 30th annual No Smoking Day campaign.

Another false confession. The same could be said about absolutely anything at all that anyone buys. How about “Holidaymakers confessed that they could buy more for their family if they quit taking holidays”? Or “Drivers confessed that they could buy more for their families if they quit using cars”? The list is endless. The less anyone spends on themselves, the more they can spend on other people. “Diners confessed that they could buy expensive menu items for their family’s meals if they quit buying them for themselves.”

The BHF is using this insight for its No Smoking Day campaign this year by encouraging smokers to ‘swap fags for swag’ and think about the financial incentives of quitting. An average smoker, based on 20 a day, can save £7 a day, £49 a week, £210 a month and £2,555 a year if they quit.

As before, you can save money by stopping spending on everything else too. But at the same time, it means that you’re no longer buying things that you want. Not just cigarettes, but everything. You can also save money by spending less on your family.

“Dr Mike Knapton, Associate Medical Director at the BHF, said: “These figures reveal the emotional burden smokers endure by feeling guilty about the impact their addiction has on family life and their finances.”

And, he might have added, “We at BHF are very proud to have laid this emotional burden on smokers. And we’re even more proud that we’ve managed to get them to blame themselves. Neat, huh?”

These people really are utter bastards. They think nothing of setting people against each other. It’s just another method of getting their way.

My own experience of people being set against each other has been entirely confined to friends and acquaintances. But on reflection, it must be much, much worse if this kind of division is experienced within a marriage, between one spouse and the other, or between parents and children. Maybe one or two of my readers have some experience of it.

And yet it’s on public view. Barack Obama was blackmailed by his wife into quitting smoking. She told him that she wouldn’t campaign for him if he didn’t. I wouldn’t be surprised if much the same is true of David Cameron and Nick Clegg. And lots of other people as well. I sometimes wonder whether my father gave up smoking because my mother made him, after she became a bit of an antismoker herself.

Yet it’s Tobacco Control’s long campaign against smoking that is ultimately to blame. They’re the ones who are setting people against each other. Smokers (and by a similar token, drinkers and fat people) need to be told: “Stop blaming yourself! It’s not your fault! The people you need to blame are the people in high places, in the medical profession, and in the media, and ultimately in the WHO’s Tobacco Control. They’re the people who are doing this to you. Blame them if your marriage breaks down, and you lose all your friends. This is what they did to you. And this is exactly what they wanted to do. Because they set out to demonise you and exclude you and crush you. Don’t let them do it!”

Tobacco Control is utterly sick and twisted. Tobacco Control is our enemy. Tobacco Control must be destroyed.

P.S. H/T Rose, the linked article in Fenland Citizen vanished some time on 26 Feb 2013. I wonder why?

About the archivist

smoker
This entry was posted in Uncategorized and tagged , , , . Bookmark the permalink.

51 Responses to Tobacco Control Is Our Enemy

  1. raymond barfoot says:

    dear frank. hello to you and all the rest. i am still trying to wrap my thinking around the idea, that these people actually have a conscience at all.still i smoke where and when i can.i can sleep well at night,and dont get too flustered by the aunties. the way they act you would think they have no joy in their lives. i can see why. they remind me of the Eastern Alliance. they are a sad joyless lot whom shall never know happiness in any form.i would pity them if i could overlook their tactics which i deplore.no, i think i will keep on hating them, they deserve worse but it is all i will say on this today,now where can i get a good cheeseburgher??see you fellows and ladies around someday.live free frank raymond barfoot or raymond b.

  2. cherie79 says:

    As I have written before I had surgery for lung cancer two and a half years ago, I did stop for a couple of months but I was miserable so I did a lot of research and found there was little evidence about recurrence whether you continued to smoke or not. I continued to live the way I always had and take my chances being a bit of a fatalist anyway. My non smoking son was horrified at first but I told him I didn’t know what he was complaining about as he would inherit sooner if he was right! then he was more horrified so I said if he didn’t like it he didn’t have to visit and he is fine now, he thinks I am daring the cancer to come back which fits my temperament in a way. I don’t smoke in front of my grandchildren though they are fascinated by the electronic cigarette, I smoke in the garden when they are here or in winter I close of one room for smokers. I feel no guilt and no one is going to make me under any circumstances if they don’t like it don’t visit, take me as I am, I have no intention of changing now.

    • Junican says:

      cherie79 – Deny everything! You do not and cannot possibly harm your grandchildren – IT IS A LIE! Your tobacco smoke may be beneficial. But, ‘when in Rome….’.
      Light up when you wish to, and let them insist that you put your cig out. Do not surrender before you know what the terms are. That is what I did. In the end, you have to demand the source of the knowledge that cig smoke harms children. It does not, and there is no such knowledge.

      • cherie79 says:

        I know that of course, I smoked three packs in labour, you could then in hospital, happy days! and breast fed with a cigarette in my hand but the children are only 5 and 3 and already getting brainwashed at school, my son never insists, his wife smoked until a year ago when she was hospitalised with a severe asthma attack. The house is big enough to have a smoke if anyone wants to. Other than the kids anyone else can like it or lump it, tobacco control have made life diffcult by scaring the life out of children, I had one friend’s child in tears brcause his mum was going to die because she smoked, he was 8, I just told him I had been smoking for 50 years and I was still here, it is criminal to frighten children like that. It is like fighting fog at the moment, apart from ourselves people just don’t want to listen any more.

  3. harleyrider1978 says:

    We doing our bestest Frank!

  4. legiron says:

    Ooo, I forgot about no smoking day.

    I have to get some nice big cigars in.

  5. waltc says:

    Not OT, Snowdon quotes Carl Phillips and sources what are likely interesting blogs of his (which I haven’t gotten to yet) but I pulled this quote:

    “…When the ANTZ defend policies that make smoking more costly and less pleasant with language like “helping smokers quit”, a standard response is that this is utter crap: Intentionally inflicting pain on someone to try to modify their behavior is called “torture”, not “help”, and it violates all accepted modern Western rules of ethical behavior.

    …When the ANTZ claim that torture is help, they are invoking the implicit (and clearly false) claim that everyone affected by the torture has second-order preferences for quitting, and also invoking the implicit (and clearly false) claim that they want someone to use force to align their preferences with their second-order preferences by inflicting torture until quitting is preferable to smoking. In addition, the ANTZ are making the implicit (and clearly false) claim that all of these smokers who want to be forced really understand that when they are abstinent they are likely to be less happy/productive/etc. compared to when they were smoking.”

    I have never understood men who let their wives force them out of their own homes to smoke (those wives who once willingly married a smoker, though that, in itself, remains beside the point.

    And with due respect to cherie (the phrase being sincere as opposed to canned), I think it’s better for The Children to see that people they know and like smoke (that smokers aren’t really some alien, let alone toxic, form of sub-life) and to learn that they survive the “exposure” quite well. It may also help teach them the art of critical thinking which God only knows the world could use more of.

  6. smokervoter says:

    Where’s the PC police when you need them? In polite society nowadays most writers are very careful in their use of the word ‘hate’. When it comes to Tobacco Control they revel in its use. It’s no accident that the sentence contains “…admit their children or family hates them smoking.” They’re well aware that the mind sometimes fills in the blanks. Or changes ‘smoking’ to ‘smoker’. Even the First Lady did it on national television. Or how about “hates them”, was that an accident? I think not.

    When a search engine crawls a web page it’ll pick up on ‘hate’ and ‘smoke’ and ‘smoking’. That’ll attract wicked people with rotten intentions looking for something or someone to hate on. Tobacco Control is absolutely despicable and the man with the white beard and the sailor suit who did so much to further its ugly mission is R.I.H. as of today.

    Rotting In Hell, that is.

  7. Rose says:

    From Harley’s translation of nisakiman’s link on the previous thread.

    Carbon monoxide
    Smoking increases as seen at the risk of developing cancer. This has to do with reducing the transport of oxygen into the cell Cancer occurs when a cell is 35% less oxygen so they move from the complex to the citric acid cycle for energy glycolysesysteem simple sugars which are burned. The reduced aerobic capacity arises because in many tobacco CO (carbon monoxide) is present. An increased level of CO in the blood causes the blood to less can transport oxygen. [4]
    https://cfrankdavis.wordpress.com/2013/02/25/active-norm-management/#comment-74386

    What, no mention of the nitric oxide in the smoke?

    “A gas commonly found in smog and cigarette smoke actually helps premature babies by opening blood vessels in their underdeveloped lungs, causing blood oxygen levels to rise, University of Florida researchers report.”
    http: //www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1997/03/970328095354.htm

    “The researchers said they believe the high levels of nitric oxide cause an increased blood flow that provides body tissues with sufficient amounts of oxygen despite low levels of oxygen in both the air and the bloodstream.”
    http://www.upi.com/Science_News/2007/11/06/Nitric_oxide_helps_high-altitude_survival/UPI-20491194386939/

  8. Rose says:

    Via http://velvetgloveironfist.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/kangaroo-court.html

    “Disclosure. I have no competing interests. I have a long history of involvement in tobacco control starting in 1997, previously as director of ASH-UK. I was active during negotiation of the 2001 directive, now under revision, and I was one of the main NGO leaders who helped to bring the WHO FCTC into being in the period up to 2003.”

    Thanks Clive, I did wonder.

    • Rose says:

      “Dr Mike Knapton, Associate Medical Director at the BHF, said: “These figures reveal the emotional burden smokers endure by feeling guilty about the impact their addiction has on family life and their finances.”

      Now there’s a surprise.

      Denormalisation

      “However, internationally, the term is also used to encompass efforts challenging notions that smoking ought to be regarded as routine or normal, particularly in public settings.13 Hammond et al state that “social denormalisation” strategies seek “to change the broad social norms around using tobacco—to push tobacco use out of the charmed circle of normal, desirable practice to being an abnormal practice”.

      Several authors have suggested that Erving Goffman’s classic analysis of stigma and its resultant “spoiled identity” is consonant with how the meaning of smoking has changed in societies with widespread tobacco control.

      Goffman described stigmatisation as the transformation “from a whole and usual person to a tainted, discounted one”, writing that “Stigma is a process by which the reaction of others spoils normal identity”. Writing in 1963 before the first US Surgeon General’s report on smoking was published, Goffman did not list smoking as a stigmatised behaviour but did list “blemishes of individual character” that included addiction and alcoholism.”

      “This relentless tide of bad news about smoking has carried numerous subtexts that have compounded smokers’ spoiled identities, which we highlight below.

      Smokers as malodourous
      Smokers as litterers
      Smokers as unattractive and undesirable housemates
      Smokers as undereducated and a social underclass
      Smokers as excessive users of public health services
      Smokers as employer liabilities”

      “there is abundant evidence that smokers internalise this negativity”
      http://tobaccocontrol.bmj.com/content/17/1/25.full

      Anti-smoking campaigns turn those who light up ‘into lepers’ warns Department of Health adviser

      Anti-smoking campaigns and laws have turned smokers into a despised underclass, a study by a Department of Health adviser warned yesterday.

      It said smokers have come to be seen as disgusting and dirty and are increasingly becoming regarded as outcasts.

      The vilification is also stoking up prejudice against the poor because those who are already on low incomes or at a disadvantage are most likely to be smokers, the report by Professor Hilary Graham found.”
      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2107419/Anti-smoking-campaigns-turn-light-lepers-warns-Department-Health-adviser.html#ixzz1zFrat5br

      Perfectly respectable people before you started on this Mr BHF, you must be very proud.

  9. harleyrider1978 says:

    Don’t include e-cigarettes under state smoking ban

    The statewide smoking ban is being promoted as a health issue. Yet one item targeted by the ban is a health device used to help people stop smoking — e-cigarettes.

    Many Kentuckians, including my own father, have used them to kick the habit, or at the least reduce their smoking, in a concerted effort to improve their health.

    Moreover, e-cigarettes emit water vapor, and not any of the so-called secondhand smoke. To suggest, as a recent Herald-Leader editorial did, that this water vapor is a health risk is the height of hyperbole.

    The paper also claimed that exempting e-cigarettes from the ban would “pose an enforcement nightmare.” That is just silly. If trained law enforcement can distinguish between a marijuana joint and a cigarette, I am confident they can easily identify a real smoking cigarette from an e-cigarette.

    What might be a nightmare to the public, however, is the creation under House Bill 190 of special smoking police, tasked with writing tickets for people who light up illegally.

    Believe it or not, this bill deputizes employees of local health departments, arming them with authority to write citations to individuals and businesses, with fines up to $10,000. One has to wonder whether they will have uniforms or act undercover.

    Finally, I hate to disappoint the editorial board, but I must have missed the bandwagon with the Marlboro Man. It was ordinary citizens who asked me to file the e-cigarette amendment to HB 190.

    Rep. Stan Lee

    Lexington

    Read more here: http://www.kentucky.com/2013/02/26/2532015/letters-to-editor-feb-26.html#storylink=cpy

  10. Stan says:

    If cigarettes didn’t have a 400+% tax imposed on them then a pack of 20 would cost approx 2pound in Britain. So one could argue that a 20 a day smoker could actually save 8 pound a day if tax was eliminated. In this way they could spend 2920 pound a year on their family or wherever they please.

  11. Rose says:

    Just thinking, do these two dimensional characters ever stop to wonder how much they may have widened these “health inequalities” that they pay lip service to over the last few years?
    Health may be the be all and end all to them and they gladly embrace every questionable study that supports their cause, but if now their target populations avoid all health services like the plague lest they get the lecture, how are they going to capitalise on those “teachable moments” they talk about.?

    Perhaps they’ll just carry on throwing rocks at us from a distance.

  12. Of course, another way to spend more on the family is to simply not buy tobacco in this country. Buy in Belgium instead … the family also love the regular trips to the continent (same price for one as for four via Eurotunnel). Problem solved. ;)

  13. Rose says:

    1604
    JAMES, by the Grace of God &c. to our right Trustie and right Welbeloved Cousen and Counsellor, Thomas Earle of Dorset our High Treasourer of Englande, Greetinge.

    Whereas Tabacco being a Drugge of late Yeres found out, and by Merchants, as well Denizens as Strangers, brought from forreign Partes in small quantitie into this Realm of England and other our Dominions, was used and taken by the better sort both then and nowe onelye as Phisicke to preserve Healthe, and is now at this Day, through evell Custome and the Toleration thereof,

    excessivelie taken by a nomber of ryotous and disordered Persons of meane and base Condition, whoe, contrarie to the use which Persons of good Callinge and Qualitye make thereof, doe spend most of there tyme in that idle Vanitie, to the evill example and corrupting of others,
    and also do consume that Wages whiche manye of them gett by theire Labour, and wherewith there Families should be releived, not caring at what Price they buye that Drugge,

    Proving loved ones can often come a poor second to cigarettes, almost one in five (18%) smokers confessed they could buy more for their family if they were to quit,

    but rather devisinge how to add to it other Mixture, therebye to make it the more delightfull to their Taste, though so much the more costly to there Purse; by which great and imoderate takinge of Tabacco the Health of a great nomber of our People is impayred, and theire Bodies weakened and made unfit for Labor,

    the Estates of many mean Persons soe decayed and consumed as they are thereby dryven to unthriftie Shifts onelie to maynteyne their gluttonous exercise thereof,

    The vilification is also stoking up prejudice against the poor because those who are already on low incomes or at a disadvantage are most likely to be smokers, the report by Professor Hilary Graham found.

    besides that also a great part of the Treasure of our Lande is spent and exhausted by this onely Drugge so licentiously abused by the meaner sorte, all which enormous Inconveniences ensuinge thereuppon We doe well perceave to proceed principally from the

    great quantitie of Tabacco daily brought into this our Realm of England and Dominions of Wales from the Partes beyond the Seas by Merchauntes and others, which Excesse

    We conceave might in great part be restrayned by some good Imposition to be laid uppon it, whereby it is likelie that a lesse Quantitie of Tabacco will hereafter be broughte into this our Realm of Englaud, Dominion of Wales and Town of Barwick then in former tymes, and yet sufficient store to serve for their necessarie use who are of the better sort, and have and will use the same with Moderation to preserve their Healthe;

    Smokers set to be taxed out of habit

    We do therefore will and command you our Treasurer of Englande, and herebye also warrant and aucthorise you to geve order to all Customers Comptrollers Searchers Surveyors, and all other Officers of our Portes, that, from and after the sixe and twentith Day of October next comynge, they shall demaunde and take to our use of all Merchauntes, as well Englishe as Strangers, and of all others whoe shall bringe in anye Tabacco into this Realme, within any Porte Haven or Creek belonging to any theire severall Charges, the Somme of Six Shillinges and eighte Pence uppon everye Pound Waight thereof, over and above the Custome of Twoo Pence uppon the Pounde Waighte usuallye paide heretofore;

    if anye Merchaunte Englishe or Straunger, or other whatsoever, shall presume to bringe in anye of the saide Tabacco, before suche Payemente and Satisfactione firste made, That then he shall not onelie forfeite the saide Tabacco, but alsoe shall undergoe suche furthere Penalties and corporall Punishmente as the Qualitie of suche soe highe a Coutempte against our Royall and expresse Commaundemente in this mannere published shall deserve

    Wytnes our self at Westminster the seaventeenth Day of October. [1604].

    One third of smokers use illegal tobacco
    25th February 2013

    Smokefree South West has launched the multi-partnership initiative alongside HMRC, Trading Standards, the Police, Crimestoppers and other enforcement partners, Primary Care Trusts and Local Authorities as part of on-going efforts to tackle the illegal tobacco trade in the south west.

    http://www.laits.utexas.edu/poltheory/james/blaste/blaste.app.html
    http://www.thisiswiltshire.co.uk/news/10248785._/
    http: //www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/health/smokers-set-to-be-taxed-out-of-habit/story-fn59nokw-1226547381195
    and
    http: //www.fenlandcitizen.co.uk/news/latest-news/east-of-england-smoker-s-choice-sparks-hate-from-loved-ones-1-4819279
    Which sadly has now disappeared.

  14. Junican says:

    Persons of meane and base Condition, whoe, contrarie to the use which Persons of good Callinge and Qualitye make thereof…

    …and yet sufficient store to serve for their necessarie use who are of the better sort, and have and will use the same with Moderation to preserve their Healthe;”

    Does the above bring anything else to mind? Like MINIMUM PRICING, for example – deliberately designed to punish the poor?

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      Yo Cousin indeed its been going on a very long time!

    • Rose says:

      Well of course, Junican.

      But it’s not about punishment, Public Health are very worried about the poor!
      If you read the papers, the poor are enormously fat, the poor drink far too much, the poor smoke despite all the warnings and for all these reasons are clearly too ill-educated to make up their minds about anything and must have these simple decisions made for them.

      Links on request.

      • Junican says:

        I disagree, dear. The poor are only poor because they are naughty boys and girls and need to be punished for there naught acts, like eating fast food, drinking cheap alcohol and enjoying tobacco and sex. Naughty! Naughty! Rattle their hands and faces!

  15. garyk30 says:

    Why are antis the way that they are?

    It is Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (O.C.D.)-related. The two things TC has in droves are two of their favorite things: organization and repetition.

    Problems exist in almost every family. Too many people are left to their own devices to “figure things out”. As a result, throughout their lives, they yearn for and are searching for clear, unclouded messages.

    Anti-smoker nannies are like the bossiest child you can imagine on the playground—that annoying kid who organized all the games, and made sure everyone’s Monopoly money was neatly stacked.

    These people constantly search for simple and organized answers to the worries of life.
    Worries such as disease and death.

    They are looking for “heroes”. And the one organization that continually answers those cries for help by means of rhetoric, repetition and organization—manna for O.C.D./trauma sufferers –are the TC anti-smokers.

    A world full of smokers is too boisterous and chaotic for the OCD’ers that yearn for a world that is ordered, simple, non-threatening, and neatly arranged.

    • garyk30 says:

      SHS/ETS is an un-seen, un-predictible, and un-controllable threat to the OCD’ers hopes for life.

      Therefore, SHS/ETS must be eliminated by all means necessary.

      Consideration for the smokers doesn’t even enter their thoughts.

      • smokervoter says:

        Amen Gary, you hit the nail right on the head and this is coming from a carpenter, so that means all the more.

        Frank wrote a piece on this way, way back in July of 2009 at the start of his illustrious writing endeavors. There is nary one comment. This has me scrambling to recall just when it was that I first discovered his blog because I surely would have had a lot to say on this subject. I personally have 5 different old and dear friends who have late onset OCD. It seems like an under-discussed mental epidemic to me at times.

        There are times when I think this is a result of the perfectionism that is rampant in our culture. Modern automobiles practically wipe your rear end for you. Kindergarten (5 years of age) was too late to start formal education for some helicopter parents so then it went down to Pre-school (4 years old) now they want 3-year olds in the classroom.

        Of course I wasn’t alive long ago, so maybe it was even worse in the past. There have been horrendous bouts of perfectionism in the past if you read your history.

        Anyway, here’s a link to Frank’s excellent observations on this topic and I’m wondering if it’s still possible to get a comment thread going on it.

        Obsessive-compulsive disorder

        PS: If this comes out in duplicate blame it on WordPress and not me. The comment mechanism has been doing strange things lately. Sometimes it won’t ‘let go’ of my computer and I have to hit Ctrl-Alt-Delete and manually shut Firefox off after leaving a comment.

        Or maybe the OCD epidemic is finally catching up to me and it’s all in my mind.

        • Frank Davis says:

          The above got put in my spam folder.

          You can always try posting on that thread, and tell me what happened.

        • smokervoter says:

          I just did and it worked. If anyone wants to add anything -fire away. I think it’s an interesting topic and I’m curious if this is as widespread as I think it is.

  16. Frank Davis says:

    I seem to be getting hundreds of visitors from Finland today. On my blog, rather than at my home. May I greet them with the little bit of Finnish that I’ve just learned:

    Hyvää päivää. Hauska tavata.

    • Reinhold says:

      Once again it’s good to know how to create these double-dotted umlaut letters, isn’t it? (hähä) ;-)

    • beobrigitte says:

      Finland = land of smoking ban. Perhaps this ban there isn’t as successful as we are led to believe. (According to the anti-smoking zealots smoking bans “work wonderfully” everywhere…..)

      I can even shine with a little Suomi!
      “Punaisten lychtien talossa” (It was a song title, I hasten to add, I just liked the song and asked for translation – it means “house with red lights”.)

      And I know another word: “Yöperkoset” which means “moth”

      Great country and if you go to Lapland’s Tromsö you can experience the midnight sun.
      Pity the smoking ban was introduced; I never went back there.

  17. Margo says:

    Did anyone see the long piece on the BBC “News” yesterday, exhorting the general public to grass on any tobacco smugglers they come across.
    Well, I shall certainly be keeping my eyes open for smuggled tobacco!

  18. I really hate that a respected number of non smokers (especially quitters) during a conversation will try to make you feel guilty with the most hideous ways.

    Emotional Blackmail No1:
    ‘Oh I was smoking but quit when I saw my father/mother/grandmother/grandfather dying from cancer’

    The morons know for sure what caused their death!Had it been anything else though,nothing changes!So if the father is drinking they wont stop drinking,if he was eating meat they don’t become vegetarians,if they were drinking tea they won’t stop drinking tea!!

    Emotional Blackmail No2:
    ‘Oh I quit because my kid was born’

    So what? You are not doing anything illegal,you enjoy tobacco like you enjoy a drink,a coffee or tea and if the issue is financial (which is caused by those bloody antis), you can reduce it or buy your ciggies abroad!

    What those morons don’t realise is that they have been brainwashed into believing all these crap from those antismoking lunatics and they believe it’s their own opinion!

    • Reinhold says:

      What those morons don’t realise is that they have been brainwashed into believing all these crap from those antismoking lunatics and they believe it’s their own opinion!

      Well, I think, precicely that’s what brainwash is for.

      And immediately afterwards they make off to convert the rest.

  19. Tony says:

    from smokervoter’s link yesterday:
    C. Everett Koop dies in NH
    http://apnews.myway.com/article/20130225/DA4LU2402.html
    He also was a part-owner of a short-lived venture, drkoop.com, to provide consumer health care information via the Internet. It made its initial public offering of stock in 1999, but expenses outstripped revenue and it was out of business by the end of 2001.

    In July 2001, the company agreed to pay $4.25 million in cash to settle lawsuits filed by investors who claimed drkoop.com made false promises. Company officials did not admit wrongdoing.

    Koop was born in New York’s borough of Brooklyn, the only son of a Manhattan banker and the nephew of a doctor. He said by age 5 he knew he wanted to be a surgeon and at age 13 he practiced his skills on neighborhood cats.
    Sick and twisted even as a child then.

    • beobrigitte says:

      He also was a part-owner of a short-lived venture, drkoop.com, to provide consumer health care information via the Internet. It made its initial public offering of stock in 1999, but expenses outstripped revenue and it was out of business by the end of 2001.

      In July 2001, the company agreed to pay $4.25 million in cash to settle lawsuits filed by investors who claimed drkoop.com made false promises.

      Yet another “verkrachte existenz” (a person existing failing to achieve) blabbing his way into politics.

      He said by age 5 he knew he wanted to be a surgeon and at age 13 he practiced his skills on neighborhood cats.”

      I hope the RSPCA equivalent takes note! I bet, some neighbours were ready to smack him into the middle of next week!

  20. Rose says:

    Frank

    That story is completely missing, though google still carries the heading.

    Search Results

    East of England Smoker’s choice sparks hate from loved ones …
    http://www.fenlandcitizen.co.uk › News › Latest News
    4 days ago – Almost a third (32%) of smokers surveyed in the East of England admit their children or family hates them smoking and a quarter (25%) enjoy …

    The wayback machine can find no sign of it and there are no other traces of the BHF quotes but on this blog.

    Except one.

    “If they smoke as much as Mr Fairburn used to, they would save £7 if they quit for a day, £49 if they stopped for a week, £210 if they ditched the cigarettes for a month and a whopping £2,555 if they lasted a year without lighting up.”
    http://www.nuneaton-news.co.uk/News/Swap-fags-for-swag-call-20130222113713.htm

    “The BHF is using this insight for its No Smoking Day campaign this year by encouraging smokers to ‘swap fags for swag’ and think about the financial incentives of quitting. An average smoker, based on 20 a day, can save £7 a day, £49 a week, £210 a month and £2,555 a year if they quit.”

    Do you think somebody somewhere was flying a kite?

    • Frank Davis says:

      How interesting! I wonder why? I’ve added a postscript pointing this out.

      • Rose says:

        Intriguing isn’t it?

        From newsnow about a minute ago

        In the last 7 days
        2 men face multiple charges in Smoker’s Depot shooting Garden City Observer, Michigan 11:57 Sun, 24 Feb 2013
        East of England Smoker’s choice sparks hate from loved ones Fenland Citizen 08:54 Sat, 23 Feb 2013

    • beobrigitte says:

      Mr Fairburn, who is 62, quit smoking with NHS help 24 months ago and has seen improvements not only in his health, but to his finances.

      Not only can he run upstairs he has bought a flash television with the saved funds.

      Here are a few issues rolled into one:

      first the obvious:
      he has bought a flash television with the saved funds.
      There are deals available at e.g. Argos and other stores which I believe is in much demand. I just bought a 47″ TV with all sorts of trimmings (love the sensurround sound!) and the first thing I was handed, was one of these forms to fill in the finance of it.
      These days I do make a point of being “snotty”, after all, I am “smoking scum” and ” a burden” to society!!!
      I just asked for the little apparatus into which I insert my debit card. (The colour of my debit card indicates the type of account!)
      The person on the other end of the counter nevertheless proceeded trying to get me to fill in this form in order to “ease” my financial “burden”, so I cut her short by saying that if they will not accept my debit card, I will have to have a few words with my bank manager and go somewhere else.

      It is not difficult to buy expensive items.

      Next point:
      Not only can he run upstairs
      Here my little “experiment” when on holiday in Puerto de la Cruz, Teneriffe:
      My hotel was about 1 mile up the hill but the walk to the local’s beach took me along the cliff (in parts pretty steep) , so I walked it on a daily basis. First downhill, then back to the hotel uphill.
      The first time I walked back to the hotel I was knackered. But I just loved the view, so I walked again and again and again. After 5 days I noticed that this walk was getting easier by the day and I was on par with my (non-smoking) family members.
      Our visit to (near) top of Mount Teide proved another curious thing. My non-smoking family member who lives in Puerto de la Cruz did warn me that, as a smoker, I might find the difference in air pressure and reduction of oxygen a bit difficult to deal with.
      To cut a long story short; it was just amazing being (almost) on top of Mount Teide; the air was crisp and clear. And I was dealing with 2 feeling “dizzy” non-smokers who asked me why I was just fine. The answer: I am a smoker and with that the haemoglobin content of my blood is slightly higher than theirs. I was never worried about breathing up there, but I had to admit to them that I had some thoughts about my low blood pressure. (Lucky for me I was just fine!)

      Yes, this is anecdotal “evidence” – but in view of all the bullsh*t we are being fed, I best go with what I can see and experience.

  21. jaxthefirst says:

    Hey, it’s not all bad. It all depends on how much you can read between the lines. Looked at from a different perspective, the 32% quoted in the study must by default also show that just short of a whopping 70% of people’s families and children don’t mind their smoking at all, and a massive three-quarters of smokers still enjoy smoking every bit as much as they ever did. (As an aside – one has to ask how that figure squares with the 70% (or whatever the latest quoted figure is) of smokers whom it is regularly claimed are simply desperate to give up?) So, my response to all these figures when they get quoted at me will be (with a suitably innocently-surprised expression): “Really? Is that all? How very encouraging!”

    Looked at from that point of view, this study actually shows that despite all their haranguing and their interminable insinuations that every non-smoker must necessarily share their bitter and hate-fuelled view of smoking, Tobacco Control really hasn’t made anywhere near the impact it would like to claim that it has.

  22. harleyrider1978 says:

    Kentucky smoking ban not likely to come to vote

    Statewide Kentucky smoking ban not likely to come to vote
    http://www.courierpress.com
    Legislation that would institute a statewide smoking ban in restaurants and other public places has been sent to the House Judiciary Committee for further review, making it unlikely it can pass in this legislative session.

  23. timbone says:

    Matthew chapter 10 verse 21 “Brother will deliver brother over to death, and the father his child, and children will rise against parents and have them put to death.”
    Luke chapter 12 verse 53 “They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law.”

  24. Baccy run says:

    Good article. Everyone should have the right to choose

  25. Diver rover says:

    The co-operation of the masses is needed to make legislation work. Is the masses co-operating?

  26. Penny Archer says:

    There is legislation in the Netherlands but noone complies with it and it goes unpoliced and unpunished

No need to log in

Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in:

WordPress.com Logo

You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Log Out /  Change )

Twitter picture

You are commenting using your Twitter account. Log Out /  Change )

Facebook photo

You are commenting using your Facebook account. Log Out /  Change )

Connecting to %s

This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Learn how your comment data is processed.