H/T Fredrik Eich for the news from Timbuktu that antismoking Islamists had been driven out of town, and people were happily smoking in the streets again.
Channel 4’s Lindsay Hillsum blogs about it here:
In recent months, the Islamist police in Gao have dragged suspected thieves and others to Sharia courts which have ordered the amputation of limbs and other punishments. Even smoking could earn you a flogging.
Her video report from Timbuktu is embedded in her blog post.
I thought she said that the locals would ask in shops for ‘secrets’ when they wanted a secret cigarette. But ‘secret’ is probably just the way they pronounced ‘cigarette’.
Human Rights Watch also reported:
One militiaman told Human Rights Watch: “Some on it [the list] are obvious because they took up arms and looted everything we worked for, or have been walking around beating people for smoking or not covering their heads. Others have collaborated – cooking, encouraging our children to join up. Do they think we don’t know who they are?”
Even the BBC gave it a brief mention.
But people are now able to go out.
People have freedom. People are happy. They can move about freely.
They are not under pressure.
People are smoking, people can do anything they want.
It must be disconcerting for Tobacco Control to see freedom and happiness linked so explicitly to smoking, and see themselves dimly reflected in that mirror as being no better than punitive Islamist fundamentalists.
But smoking has always been a symbol of freedom, and it always will be.
If you can’t sit in a cafe and drink a coffee and smoke a cigarette, you’re not free.
And today they’re free to do that in Timbuktu. They are more free than I am, for sure.
All of which made me grin wryly at this remark in an ex-smoker’s blog:
I hate smoke. I’m not one of those ex-smokers who thinks that all smokers should be sent to Timbuktu…
I wouldn’t mind being sent to Timbuktu at all.
Frank Davis 
Just in passing, Frank. Have you noticed how many articles/comments/items written by people who are clearly (from the content of their writing) antis – sometimes quite virulent ones – start their articles these days with phrases like that, i.e. “I’m not one of those people who thinks …” or “I’m not anti-smoking by a long way, but …” or “I respect any adult’s right to smoke, but …” ? There was one over at Simon Clark’s place only yesterday.
I wonder if even dedicated adherents of the anti cause have started to realise that they and their predecessors have somewhat overplayed their hand with all their swivel-eyed zeal and overblown prophecies of doom and that being anti-smoking – for the majority of the public – is now seen as a bit beyond the pale? I guess that may well be in part because the major cheerleaders of the anti cause certainly come across as either terribly fuddy-duddy and middle-class and unexciting (like our Debs) or, like Glanz, downright strange. Either way, none of the leading lights of the anti-smoking movement could in any way be described – as I think one of your commenters so aptly described them – as “the kind of person you’d want to invite to a party.” And the increasing number of writers from their own side who seem to be trying to distance themselves from this sour-faced or oddball image by their two-line disclaimers at the start of each article would tend to indicate that even antis themselves have at least subconsciously recognised how uncool it is to be anti-smoking these days.
They remind me a bit of people of yesteryear, when racism was starting to become the big no-no, who would always precede an overtly racist comment with “Now, I’m not a racist, but …” or “I’ve got nothing against black people, but …” before launching into a tirade which illustrated their racist credentials only too clearly. Some people still do it, though not so many, thankfully. No-one was fooled by it, of course, any more than anyone is fooled by the anti-smokers’ protestations that they are not antis, immediately before spewing forth countless anti-smoking sentiments. After all, if it looks like poo, and smells like poo, then – no matter what you call it – it is poo!
Have you noticed how many articles/comments/items written by people who are clearly (from the content of their writing) antis – sometimes quite virulent ones – start their articles these days with phrases like that, i.e. “I’m not one of those people who thinks
I hadn’t, actually. I’ve noticed a growing weariness with public health measures over the past few years, but not what you’ve seen. Although the ex-smoker I quoted was, I suppose, distancing herself from being one of the hang ’em and flog ’em brigade. It was the mention of Timbuktu that caught my attention, not the slight distancing.
But I was a bit surprised that Lindsay Hilsum reported people smoking in the streets of Timbuktu, now that the fundamentalists had been driven out. I couldn’t help but immediately think of our own fundamentalists. I was surprised that it wasn’t edited out of her report, or that John Snow didn’t say something to the effect that ‘It sounds like the Islamists got at least one thing right in Timbuktu, Lindsay!’ But it wasn’t edited out. And he didn’t say that.
Anyway, I shall keep an eye out for what you have observed.
The folks of timbuktu have only exchanged masters, TC will no doubt be in there quickly with a UN unit!
I saw the Lindsay Hilsum report on Channel 4. The bit that made me smile was her remark: ‘Even people who have never smoked before are smoking, just because they can.’
I too expected some comment from Jon Snow and was glad not to hear one.
Yes Ive noticed and they try to play the ” my friend card” but you can see right thru the bullshit in there posting as it always leaves an in for a ban or further restrictions. Like tonite on KY.COM. The boy says yes Smokers do pay exhorbinant taxes and those should be reduced when a ban is passed……………..Ya I tore the $%#@HEAD a new one.
The boy says yes Smokers do pay exhorbinant taxes and those should be reduced when a ban is passed……………..
Here in England the anti-smokers would increase this tax – aren’t they the ones who benefit from it?
Only yesterday I went to the local supermarket to buy tobacco. I asked the girl behind the counter what other brands of tobacco they have, only to be told that there is a new law which forbids them to tell me. How come I didn’t know about this? Were we told and I have missed it?
Ive had others claim what are you trying to do divide people who might be for your side……Thats a really new one Ive only seen 2-3 times in the last few months. Playing the supposed supporter while maintaining a negative attitude and minimal support for a ban. You can see it but at least their trying new angles as Jax has shown.
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Having fun with Bullshit I got bored thats 4 whiskeys
I am surprised!
Even the BBC gave it a brief mention.
But people are now able to go out.
People have freedom. People are happy. They can move about freely.
They are not under pressure.
People are smoking, people can do anything they want.
Right now the Mali people enjoy greater freedom than we do. I still cannot go to a local pub and have a drink with a cigarette. If I wish to smoke I have to go outside, leaving my drink behind. On returning to where I left my drink I face a choice: if it is still where I left it, do I risk finishing this drink? The last time (over 1 year ago) I did not have to make this choice; my drink had disappeared.
The Mali people will very soon encounter a new invasion; the anti-smokers. They will be “educated” that SHS is a killer and that they will loose limbs and die if they continue to celebrate their freedom with smoking.
All of which made me grin wryly at this remark in an ex-smoker’s blog:
I hate smoke. I’m not one of those ex-smokers who thinks that all smokers should be sent to Timbuktu…
The writer continues to describe how the smell of cigarette smoking reminds her of her mother, described as a single parent, raising 6 children whilst also working as a teacher. There is no way I would have liked to be in her shoes; imagine the stress levels 24/7!!!! You have to deal with EVERYTHING coming your way alone.
As Jaxthefirst quite rightly says, the anti-smokers are easily spotted. There are 5 people replying to the invite to tell their stories about smoking. Here is some space for rabid anti-smokers!!! One of them actually mentions “third-hand” smoke and with that “we all are affected”…… Laugh of the day!
Well, yes. We here are living under the Taliban, the Committees of Virtue and Vice. And as beobrigitte says, they don’t (yet) actually amputate our fingers but right now in NYC they’re running a “public service” commercial with a woman, all of whose fingers are gone–medically amputated as are her toes–because of some disease or other caused by smoking. So they’re threatening us with it in their roundabout way. Psy war. Psychological dismemberment. Corporeal punishment befalling those who sin. Reminds me of the Things You Shouldn’t Do or You’ll Go Blind.
Jun 16 2012
Islamists in north Mali burn cigarettes, whip smokers
“A youth from the north Mali town, speaking on condition of anonymity, said: “I received 40 lashes because I was smoking and continued to smoke after I was told not to.”
A civil servant in the town, also asking not to be named, said he was whipped even though he was not smoking.
“It was my friend who was smoking but they whipped both of us saying that the cigarette is Satan. Shopkeepers who still have cigarettes hide them and to smoke, you have to hide,” he said.”
http://www.thenewage.co.za/53664-1020-53-Islamists_in_north_Mali_burn_cigarettes_whip_smokers
Edict not funded by NYC mayor: Muhammadiyah – 2010
“An organization owned by the mayor of New York City has channeled US$393,234 to Muhammadiyah as part of a global anti-tobacco campaign.
But the Islamic organization denied the funding influenced its recent edict banning smoking.
A Fattah Wibisono, a deputy secretary at Muhammadiyah’s council tasked with issuing religious edicts, acknowledged that his organization was cooperating with the Bloomberg Initiative to Reduce Tobacco Use, a philanthropic organization established in 2006 by Michael R. Bloomberg to fight tobacco use in low- and middle-income countries.
The $125 million global initiative was extended with a new $250 million commitment in 2008. The initiative funds related projects in Indonesia and many other countries. Its website says that Muhammadiyah was a recipient of grants totaling $393,234 from November 2009 to October 2011.”
The Bloomberg Initiative says on its website, http://www.tobaccocontrolgrants.org, its program with Muhammadiyah aims “to mobilize public support towards obtaining religious policy on tobacco control and to support FCTC [Framework Convention on Tobacco Control] accession”.
http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2010/03/14/edict-not-funded-nyc-mayor-muhammadiyah.html
“I received 40 lashes because I was smoking and continued to smoke after I was told not to.”
I wonder if Mayor Bloomberg can imagine what it’s like to be held down by zealous fundamentalists and given 40 lashes?
Probably not, it probably never occurred to him.
Thu Mar 22, 2012
“(Reuters) – Michael Bloomberg’s charitable foundation will commit $220 million over the next four years to fight tobacco use globally, including for the funding of legal challenges against the industry.
Calling tobacco “a scourge all over the world” and accusing cigarette makers of “nefarious activities,” the New York City mayor said at a news conference that his foundation will focus on low and moderate-income countries where nearly 80 percent of smokers live, like Russia, China, India, Indonesia and Bangladesh.”
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/22/us-tobacco-bloomberg-idUSBRE82L08E20120322
“A scourge (from Latin excoriare = “to flay” and corium = “skin”) is a whip or lash, especially a multi-thong type used to inflict severe corporal punishment or self-mortification on the back.”
Or perhaps it did.
Be careful what you wish for.
a philanthropic organization established in 2006 by Michael R. Bloomberg
That must be a typo. It’s actually a misanthropic organization.
Probably not, it probably never occurred to him.
It probably has. It’s what he does all the time to the people of NYC.
That means Bill Gates likely has connections to the terrorists too……….Since its the Bloomy&Gates joint money for tobacco control they put together here awhile back…….
Gates Foundation, Bloomberg Commit $500 Million to Global Anti-Tobacco Campaign
The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation and New York City mayor Michael Bloomberg have announced a combined pledge of $500 million to support efforts to combat the global tobacco epidemic by helping governments in developing countries implement proven anti-tobacco policies and increase their funding for tobacco control.
Bloomberg expanded an initial $125 million commitment made through the Initiative to Reduce Tobacco Use with an additional four-year, $250 million commitment, while the Gates Foundation will invest $125 million over five years, including a $24 million grant to the Bloomberg initiative, to fight the epidemic. The foundation also will support complementary efforts to reduce high rates of tobacco use in countries such as China and India, as well as help prevent tobacco use from taking root in Africa.
The Bloomberg initiative supports efforts to increase tobacco taxes, change the image of tobacco, protect nonsmokers from exposure to other people’s smoke, and help people quit. It also supports a rigorous tobacco-use and policy-monitoring system as well as public sector education and advocacy efforts. With the Gates funding, the initiative intends to accelerate implementation of proven tobacco-control strategies and build economic evidence to support tobacco control over the next two years. Unless action is taken, as many as a billion people — more than two-thirds in the developing world — could die from tobacco-caused illnesses in this century.
“Tobacco-caused diseases have emerged as one of the greatest health challenges facing developing countries,” said Bill Gates. “The good news is, we know what it takes to save millions of lives, and where efforts exist, they are working.”
“Michael Bloomberg and Bill Gates Join to Combat Global Tobacco Epidemic.” Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation Press Release 7/23/08.
http://foundationcenter.org/pnd/news/story.jhtml?id=221900040
Wasnt Gates also caught saying something about population control not long ago
Bloomberg and the Taliban have met and it’s love at first sight. Of course.
It looks like the Russians are in for a rough ride soon, also:
Furthermore, cigarettes will be outlawed not only in cafés, restaurants, night clubs, etc., but also, for instance, on board long-distance trains and passenger ships. Given the distances in Russia (Moscow to Vladivostok by train takes 6.5 days), it seems doubtful that such a provision can be enforced.
Not only will smokers be unable to light up in the standing sections between compartments, but stops along the way will also be smoke-free, since smoking at train stations (and airports) will be off-limits.
http://rbth.ru/articles/2013/01/15/2013_promises_new_problems_for_tobacco_companies_21893.html
Of course Putin is not only an Authoritarian, he’s also a committed anti-smoker.
How long can the Madness last………….Russians in life have very little except Vodka and smoking. The national pastimes….The chains of nanny,the destruction of friendships,cannings and the like will have profound repercussions.
Vladamir the Impaler Putin may have a short life expectancy
Well I didn’t know that
N.Y. Mayor Bloomberg to limit supply of pain medication in city hospitals
“New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg unveiled a new initiative Thursday to limit the supply of painkillers to the city’s emergency rooms in hopes of reducing prescription drug addiction.
Under the new city policy, most public hospital patients will no longer be able to get more than three days’ worth of narcotic painkillers. Critics argue the move would hurt poor and uninsured patients who use emergency rooms as their primary care doctor.
“Supposing it is really true so you didn’t get enough painkillers and you did have to suffer a little bit,” Bloomberg said on his weekly radio show. “The other side of the coin is people are dying and there’s nothing perfect. …There’s nothing that you can possibly do where somebody isn’t going to suffer and it’s always the same group [claiming], ‘Everybody is heartless.’ Come on, this is a very big problem.”
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jan/11/ny-mayor-bloomberg-limit-pain-medication-hospitals/
“‘The city hospitals we control, so …we’re going to do it and we’re urging all of the other hospitals to do it, ‘ he said, according to Politicker.com.”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2261186/Mayor-Michael-Bloomberg-drugs-Bloomberg-says-combating-addiction-epidemic-priority-hits-claims-plan-restrict-prescription-painkillers-penalize-poor.html
Oh this guy is really dangerous. He should be sectioned.
“Supposing it is really true so you didn’t get enough painkillers and you did have to suffer a little bit,” Bloomberg said…
Not only is he dangerous, he’s a heartless cretin. You can bet your last red cent that Bloomberg would be the first to scream if he were denied necessary pain relief.
In reality of course that will never happen, because the rules he’s making don’t apply to him and his cronies, only to the lower orders.
Damian Thompson in the Telegraph seems to be on Bloomberg’s side:
‘You may have to suffer a bit’: a new solution for prescription drug abuse – taking painkillers away from the poor
This man has clearly never known real pain. I wish someone who let him experience it for himself!
sorry about the typo there – I got too steamed up to type straight. You know what I mean, though.
I think I ran into that new agenda sunday nite rose when the doc only gave me 1 6.5 loritab for an infected molar and then only 6 others with anti-biotics. I took half of the first one and an hour later the pain was back throbbing again. I took the other half and it subsided,but by morning I was with my head in pain again waiting until the pharmacy opened. Then the scamaphist trys to give me a 69 dollar prescription for an anti-biotic he says was the generic brand,I told hime BS that script has never been more than 18 bucks in the past. He didnt exactly like me anyway with his staring eyes at my black leather jacket and the smell of tobacco residue about me. After a mutual staring down he backs off and goes oh wait I do have that in this brand…………..Then the whole total was 27 bucks………I will never use rite-aid again NEVER……..
Rose look at this shit!!!!!! Just off the press I already posted your Mali comment on it LOL
Mayor Bloomberg: I Have Responsibility Not ‘to Force Anyone to Do Anything’
New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg stated Wednesday that he believes it is not his responsibility “to force anyone to do anything” in his role as a politician.
Reporters asked Bloomberg at a press conference if he remembered the moment he became interested in going after illegal guns, and he responded:
No, but I did get interested in public health a long time ago, as you know. And I think, as mayor, my responsibility is to do everything I can is to do everything I can to protect the health and safety and increase the longevity of the people that live in this city. As an American, and as a human being, I have a responsibility to not push—to not force anybody to do anything but to explain what I think and to educate people to the extent of what I believe that would be in their self-interest. And I think there are certain—lots of kinds of dangerous activities—if you want to do it, they may be things that I wouldn’t choose to do, but I would protect your rights to do that.
In March of 2012, Mayor Bloomberg banned food donations to homeless shelters because the city could not assess salt, fat, and fiber content in the donated food. Bloomberg also led the charge against the sale of sugary sodas that were sold in 16-ounce containers or larger.
In 2007, the Bloomberg administration reintroduced a measure that would mandate chain restaurants to post calorie information on their menus. Last Spring, Mayor Bloomberg pushed a law that would require New York City buildings to inform potential tenants if a building had a smoke-free policy.
“This is their blueprint,” Audrey Silk, a smoker and founder of Citizens Lobbying Against Smoker Harassment, told Crain’s. “Acclimate the public to an idea so when they do come through with the force of law, the backlash is muted.”
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/01/16/Mayor-Bloomberg-I-Have-A-Responsibility-To-Not-Force-Anybody-To-Do-Anything
-I have a responsibility to not push—to not force anybody to do anything but to-
It doesn’t even make sense.
You have to laugh though, I just typed that statement into google without quotes and the fifth entry down is “What Is a Narcissistic Sociopath?”
“A narcissistic sociopath is someone with a combination of narcissistic personality disorder and definitive behavioral signs of sociopathy. People with narcissism are characterized by their excessive and persistent need for others’ admiration and positive reinforcement. They generally have grandiose opinions of themselves and believe they are superior to other people. Narcissists are also frequently convinced that they are above the normal responsibilities and obligations of everyday life, so they usually have significant difficulties maintaining employment or relationships as a result. The narcissistic sociopath has this type of personality along with a noticeable lack of regard for the rights of others and a tendency to regularly violate those rights.
One noted difference between a narcissistic sociopath and people with narcissism alone is that the narcissist with the sociopathy reacts strongly and sometimes even violently to negative feedback. True sociopaths generally do not respond to criticism or care what others may think of them. A narcissistic sociopath is unable to tolerate criticism and needs constant praise, as well as deference from other people. Many with this condition present themselves in the best light possible and are able to easily charm others to gain their trust.
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-narcissistic-sociopath.htm
Try googling it and see if you get the same.
Sounds like an egomaniac to me with delusions of grandeur on lance armstrong steroids.
Peddling ahead of the rest…………..
Note peddling has a double meaning
I heard (?BBC) rumours that cycling will wiped from the Olympics due to all cyclists apparently peddling ahead of the others.
Therefore, cycling leads to ILLEGAL DRUG use – shouldn’t cycling be totally banned? I am not against cyclists, but ………. firstly there is “passive-cycling”; people who watch these Lycra coated individuals peddling in the streets could seriously be harmed. Then there is “third-hand-cycling”. I believe it harms us all!
Ummmm, do they have decent beer in Timbuktu?
Probably not.
Russians Doubt Public Smoking Ban – Poll
http://en.rian.ru/russia/20130117/178840429/Russians_Doubt_Public_Smoking_Ban_-_Poll.html
Other Tyrants Who Have Used Children As Props
The Alex Jones Channel Alex Jones Show podcast Prison Planet TV Infowars.com Twitter Alex Jones’ Facebook Infowars store
Infowars.com
January 16, 2013
Obama’s shameless exploitation of children as set pieces is hardly new or original. In fact, tyrants and dictators have used kids as props down through the ages.
Here are a few more recent examples:
http://www.infowars.com/other-tyrants-who-have-used-children-as-props/comment-page-8/
Bob Schieffer Likens Obama ‘Taking on the Gun Lobby’ to Hunt for Bin Laden, ‘Defeating the Nazis’
Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matthew-balan/2013/01/16/bob-schieffer-likens-obama-taking-gun-lobby-hunt-bin-laden-defeating-#ixzz2IGUba6RF
When in the world is someone in the mainstream media going to take on Bloomberg and Gates?Don’t any of these supposed professioal journalists have the guts to go after these guys? They all make me sick !
Why the mainstream media? Gates is easy – don’t buy anything Microsoft!!! It works a treat for me!!!!!
Who voted for this Bloomberg ? I can only guess that by now he has alienated more than enough people. Perhaps he can even start a life on the dole….
More good news – seems the Bulgarian Taliban may have fight on their hands….
http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=146929
Bulgaria’s crack-down on smokers date back to 2005, when a partial smoking ban was introduced only to be widely ignored.
There’s an idea!
Yep I give them a lot of ammunition over the last 9 months hope they use it…………
Heres folks is where you get your rewards for your efforts fighting for freedom and pissing off some very hardcore Nazis!
Posted by TortoiseDream at 2:54 p.m. Jan. 17, 2013
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Who are you JOHN DAVIDSON, and which of the pro-tobacco lobbies is paying you to post here, and in Nebraska, and Idaho and Arkansas and, and, and…??? (that was a 3-minute long search- what else might I find with a little effort?) Is it RJ Reynolds? Or…?? Given that tobacco companies spend $34 MILLION a DAY just in this country promoting their product, you must be earning well! I’ve lost 3 relatives at an early age to smoking- how many have you lost? You should be ashamed of yourself!!!
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John Davidson, or is it Jack Dillard, registered tobacco lobbyist from Oklahoma? Working for Phillip Morris (I mean, ahem, Altria). http://tobaccomoney.com/Tobacco_Lobbyists.html
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“John Davidson” or is it really Jack Dillard, registered tobacco lobbyist from Oklahoma? Working for Phillip Morris (I mean, ahem, Altria). http://tobaccomoney.com/Tobacco_Lobbyists.html and LIVING IN AUSTIN?
In case folks don’t know… Altria Group, Inc. (previously Philip Morris Companies, Inc.) is the parent company of Philip Morris USA, John Middleton, Inc., and U.S. Smokeless Tobacco Company, Inc. It is the largest tobacco company in the United States. Brands include Marlboro, Parliament, Virginia Slims and Basic…. Thanks “John”
They banned me now,but no matter They were destroyed as we can see!
Heh! That guy really had it in for Jack Dillard! Maybe we should try to contact Jack and get him on board! :)
Oh, you must be getting paid for what you do!!!!
It is totally unbelieveable and impossible that you could be a rational, logical person and still not agree with their dogma.
This is sort of like an atheist having to face the possibility that they may be wrong and there just might be a ‘Hell’.
NO,NO, it can not be so!!!
I got back in as harleyrider,but its just flat out fun making these nazis look stupid. Some of the stuff they come up with. Accusing me of being Jack Dillard. Makes me want to meet the man in person one day………….
http://www.statesman.com/news/news/austin-might-ban-smoking-on-bar-and-restaurant-pat/nTycJ/#
They pulled all 117 comments down on the story…………..Who could blame them they lost the debate…………..
ROFLMAO…………
Va. lawmakers shoot down smoking law
RICHMOND, Va., Jan. 17 (UPI) — Virginia lawmakers Thursday decided to not make smoking in a car with a child present illegal.
The legislation, which would have banned smoking in a vehicle if a child under 13 is present, was proposed by Del. Joe Morrissey, The (Norfolk) Virginia-Pilot reported.
It would have been a secondary offense, meaning the offender could be ticketed only after being stopped for another offense. Those cited would have received a $100 civil penalty.
When arguing for his bill, Morrissey said because children’s respiratory systems are not fully developed, they are more susceptible to second-hand smoke. “We need to protect children just like we protect them with a car seat,” the Henrico County Democrat said.
Morrissey’s bill was shot down by a House subcommittee in a 3-3 tie vote.
“You’re crossing a line into regulating it on private property,” said subcommittee chairman, Del. Ben Cline, R-Rockbridge County told Morrissey. “I’m not inclined to cross that line myself. It’s poor parenting to expose children to second-hand smoke, but is it the state’s responsibility to enforce it? I don’t think so.”
Read more: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2013/01/17/Va-lawmakers-shoot-down-smoking-law/UPI-44811358454223/#ixzz2IHJkPCCB
Lord Ive had fun today! wait til tomorro,who knows what demise awaits the Nazi.