Bulgarian Smoking Ban

H/T Furor Teutonicus on the UK-style Bulgarian smoking ban. Prog also commented on it 10 days ago. First this on 4 Dec 2012:

Bulgaria’s Parliament considers easing the full smoking ban in closed public spaces that was imposed in the country on June 1, according to a local media report….

In November, Bulgarian business representatives, as well as regular citizens assembled in front of the Bulgarian Parliament in Sofia to rally for a lifting of the full smoking ban in closed public spaces.

Bulgaria is consistently ranking among the top 5 European countries in terms of smoking rates, both in the general population and among the young.

It seems that the proposals were rejected, according to this report  (complete with photo of cigar-smoking Boyko Borisov) on 18 Dec 2012:

Boyko-BorisovBulgaria’s Parliamentary Economic Committee has rejected amendments that would have lifted the country’s full smoking ban in enclosed public spaces.

A total of 10 MPs voted in favor of lifting the ban, while 6 were against and 5 abstained from voting.

The lawmakers thus rescued Prime Minister Boyko Borisov, who had vowed to resign if the ban was lifted.

Tuesday’s vote was accompanied by two protests in downtown Sofia, one in favor of the ban and one in support of its abolishment.

It doesn’t seem like there were many supporters of the ban.

Low turnout has been reported at the non-smokers rally in Bulgaria’s capital Sofia in protest against the proposed easing of the full ban on smoking in all enclosed public spaces, enforced as of June 1.

The Bulgarian National Radio, BNR, reported that about 30-40 people have gathered at the Ariana Lake in the central park Borisova Gradina, mostly young people and children. They all believe that easing the full smoking ban would be a step back of the government.

They demand keeping the ban in force in all restaurants, bars, and coffee shops and oppose “manipulative” calls for its liberalization.

The rally was organized by the Civil Initiative “Bulgaria without Tobacco Smoke.”

Well-known Bulgarian sociology expert, Mira Radeva, joined the demonstration. She said that after prices of cigarettes went up in the country, the share of smokers under the age of 18 has gone down from 43% to 39% in three years, while the full smoking ban fill have 100% effect.

According to her, people who became smokers at the age of 15-16, give it up when they turn 40 due to health issues.

And another report, dated Dec 2012, says:

Bulgarian hoteliers and restaurateurs will deliberately allow the breaking of the country’s law against smoking in enclosed public places unless MPs agree to an easing of the ban, Bulgarian Hotel and Restaurant Association Blagoy Ragin said ahead of a meeting of Parliament’s health committee on proposed amendments to the law.

He said that hoteliers and restaurateurs would embark on civil disobedience from December 15 to 30 if the smoking ban is not lifted.

Related:

Blagoy Ragin, Chair of the Bulgarian Hotel and Restaurant Association (BHRA), has said that the full indoor smoking ban will be lifted in six months, once a new government assumes office.

On Tuesday, MPs from the Parliamentary Economic Committee rejected amendments that would have lifted the country’s full smoking ban in enclosed public spaces with10 votes for, 6 against, and 5 abstentions.

In a Tuesday interview, Ragin said that Bulgaria’s next government would lift the ban upon assuming office because it would be more attentive to the opinion of the business sector.

Disgruntled representatives of the hotel and restaurant business vowed to start dismissing employees on Wednesday in response to the confirmation of the smoking ban.

“In six months’ time, the first point on the agenda of the next Parliament will overturn the full statutory ban on indoor smoking, regardless of who has made it into Parliament,” Ragin declared.

And there’s been no news since. So I don’t know whether Bulgarian hoteliers and restaurateurs have gone ahead with their threat of disregarding the ban or not.

I’m not sure what to make of it all, except that smokers in Bulgaria are angry enough to demonstrate in front of their parliament against their 6-month-old ban, and they have the support of Bulgarian hotels and restaurants, and of quite a few politicians too.

Totally unlike Britain. But the difference is probably mostly due to the fact that the prevalence of smoking in Bulgaria is at least twice that in Britain.  It’s probably only when smokers become a relatively small minority that it becomes possible to bulldoze them with draconian laws, as in Britain.

Which is why I’m inclined to think that full scale revolt against these bans is most likely to break out first in Eastern Europe or the Middle East (where up to 50% of adults smoke) than in Western Europe or the USA.

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44 Responses to Bulgarian Smoking Ban

  1. Well I’ve just come in from a night in a pub with my best friend from school days. She’s totally apolitical, but her new “friend” is anything but..We had a huge row about “the smoking ban”, and he’s a “medical student” at UCL, one of the supposedly “best” things in the…. oh I’m not even gonna bother cos they’re lying cunts…
    Anyway, this is a “smoker” who is educated … I can’t actually be arsed here, srsrly…..

  2. magnetic01 says:

    Frank, it seems to have gone dead on the matter over the last week.

    A wonderful antismoking headline on the 13th Dec referring to the “nicotine addicts”:
    Non-Smokers Rise Up Against Tobacco-Addicts in Bulgaria
    http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=146011

    The “rising up” on the 16th Dec totaled about 30-40, mostly young people and children…… from the most brainwashed generation.
    http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=146102

    Bulgarians made 60,000 reservations for holidays in Serbia due to smoking ban here: business

    http://www.focus-fen.net/index.php?id=n294647

  3. smokervoter says:

    Is it just me or possibly the jigger of Tequila I slipped into my coffee or, are there a few too many double negatives going on here?

    “Bulgaria’s Parliamentary Economic Committee has rejected amendments that would have lifted the country’s full smoking ban in enclosed public spaces.”

    “A total of 10 MPs voted in favor of lifting the ban, while 6 were against and 5 abstained from voting.”

    For clarity sake shouldn’t that read:

    A total of 10 MPs voted in favor of not lifting the ban, while 6 were not against lifting the ban and 5 abstained from voting.

    No wonder the five abstained, they might not have been sure of what they were voting ‘fer or ‘agin.

    “The lawmakers thus rescued Prime Minister Boyko Borisov, who had vowed to resign if the ban was lifted.”

    So, the cigar smoking Prime Minister is vowing to resign if they don’t ban him from enjoying a good cigar in peace?

    On top of all this is comes that unintelligible first comment.

    Oh well, as the girls in California’s San Fernando Valley always say: whatever!

    • injovi says:

      are there a few too many double negatives going on here?

      Thank you, smokervoter. I already wondered if it was my lack of understanding the English language or the enjoyed Schnaps what prevented me from making that out.

  4. magnetic01 says:

    Frank, my comment is CAM (currently awaiting moderation).

  5. magnetic01 says:

    Bus driver under review for smoke break
    Had a cigarette just outside door of bus
    http://www.cambridgetimes.ca/article/1556834–bus-driver-under-review-for-smoke-break

    The children on the bus, from a catholic college no less, were so unruly that the driver stopped the bus, stepped off the bus and had a cigarette. What is a sign of the dysfunctional, “messed up priorities” times, the part that attracted condemnation in the article is the woman driver’s smoking. One “delicate” student, “highly sensitive to cigarette smoke, could smell it wafting from the open bus door and left the bus.”

    If there’s anything worse that the neurotic child is his neurotic father who was concerned only with the smoking and not the children’s unruly behavior: “Dejong maintains the driver must have been breaking a non-smoking bylaw by lighting up so close to the bus. Some witnesses said the driver started to light the cigarette even before completely exiting the bus, but that could not be confirmed.”

    These neurotic, brainwashed bigots have obviously never considered what comes from the exhaust pipes of these buses. Thankfully, the comments to the story have some sensibility.

    Also this:
    Bus driver had right to take smoke break
    http://www.cambridgetimes.ca/opinion/letters/article/1559195–bus-driver-had-right-to-take-smoke-break

    Note that she didn’t stop the bus to have a smoke break. She stopped the bus in frustration and stepped off the bus to have a cigarette in the hope of calming herself.

  6. harleyrider1978 says:

    As usual I was there fighting the Bulgarian Nazis for the last several months on the SOFIA paper!

    Seems I got me a shadow there for awhile by some anti-smoking advocate,he really didnt like me destroying his propaganda…………..He had some greek spelling name…………anyway He got so upset he followed me to other stories thru facebook. I had many a good joust then he just kinda disapeared………….Mike even had a run off with him about 2 weeks ago too.

  7. junican says:

    I’m sure that you are right in believing that Eastern Europe will be the first areas to abandon the smoking ban (apart from Holland, of course). But I think that it is more likely to be for a different reason than you suggest.
    Britain, Australia, USA did not experience the jackboot in WW2. All the rebellious countries did, and some of them experienced the Soviet jackboot until recently. These experiences must surely make the people of these countries super-sensitive to anything that smacks of dictatorship, regardless of the subject.
    The determination of the Prime Minister of Bulgaria to uphold the ban suggest to me that pressure from outside has been applied – probably from the EU or the World Bank – both organisations being organisations which are massively corrupt. The way things are going, civil war is inevitable, except that the war will not be with weapons – it will be with destruction of property, as seen in the recent riots. It will almost certainly have nothing to do with smoking. Smoking Bans are only a symptom of a more general malaise. My personal opinion is that “Government by Press Release” (meaning, propaganda) has to end. The internet is too powerful for “GPR” to continue.

    • smokingscot says:

      Had a gander at that a few weeks back and concur. Also noted the herculean efforts made by Harley in their forums.

      “Bulgaria and Cyprus were able to impose a smoking ban only because the majority of legislators chose to abstain. They did so only to allow compliance with the EU diktat (to ban it in all public places by 2012). Serbia however has considered all points of view and – thus far – avoided much of the social, political and economic fallout. Indeed they’re doing rather well from the total ban in Bulgaria, that was not relaxed on 13 Dec 2012. The Netherlands and Italy have – very successfully – shown that there are workable alternatives; something several countries may emulate”.

      The piece is a scarification of the WHO FCTC COP 5 and the quote’s taken from around links 4 and 5.

      http://www.tichtich.com/who-fctc-cop5-seoul-nov-2012.html

      • Rose says:

        From your link

        We know this is only possible because the treaty obliges governments to silence and ignore any alternative viewpoint

        For anyone who hasn’t read it, let me once again draw attention to Frank’s excellent article on the WHO FCTC with particular reference to Article 5.3.

        “The guidelines also state that parties “need to be alert to any efforts by the tobacco industry to undermine or subvert tobacco control efforts and the need to be informed of activities of the tobacco industry that have a negative impact on tobacco control efforts”. and that “in setting and implementing their public health policies with respect to tobacco control, Parties shall act to protect these policies from commercial and other vested interests of the tobacco industry in accordance with national law”. And in point 11 they state:

        The measures recommended in these guidelines aim at protecting against interference not only by the tobacco industry but also, as appropriate, by organizations and individuals that work to further the interests of the tobacco industry.

        What all this means is that the legislation cannot be allowed to be “subverted” or “interfered with” by not just the tobacco industry, but organisations or individuals who further the interests of the tobacco industry.

        And “individuals” means me.

        Or anybody else who objects to smoking bans. Because obviously, while any lifting such bans would obviously further the interests of smokers, it would also further the interests of the tobacco companies whose products they consume.

        As I understand it, what this means is that any representations made by anybody in opposition to any of the provisions of the Convention cannot be allowed to influence, or “subvert” or “interfere with” its provisions.

        All protest must be ignored. The treaty requires it.”
        http://frank-davis.livejournal.com/133676.html

        .Mind you, they get round those old fashioned notions of free speech and representation by letting you verbally bash your head against a brick wall as hard as you like for as long as you like, which serves to keep people who don’t know about Article 5.3 helplessly going round in circles wondering why no one in authority appears to be listening to them any more.

        • smokervoter says:

          I’ll bet most people are unaware of the thoroughly totalitarian basis of Article 5.3. Even I forgot all about it after becoming outraged when I first heard about it, what two years ago?

          There are so many collectivist, greater good types around nowadays, including Cameron, Clegg and Obama, that a slim majority of the citizenry probably have no problem with it. Rugged individualists are by their very nature usually in the minority.

          If public health dictates have made us all so safe and healthy in our country, why not the region? And if they work for the region, why not the globe? Thusly we have the EU and the UN and WHO.

          What would break the back of this bigger-is-better, more-the-merrier tendency? Great Britain (and I do mean great) leaving the EU, that’s what. It was Britain that said ‘not so fast there, buddy!’ to the Nazis was it not?

          Step one. Quit trashing Nigel Farage over his personality traits and focus on his longstanding philosophical message instead. Bigger is not better and mechanisms designed by committee are a bad joke. Long live the UKIP.

          BTW Rose, it’s so nice to have you back. I especially love your short two or three sentence comments sandwiched between the hard data you find. They’re always so very British, understated and crisp.

          The little voice in my head that speaks to me while I read always assigns a lovely British accent to your writing.

        • smokingscot says:

          Agreed, yet knowing that is 95% of the battle!

          Short of outright slander, it’s open season on the lot! Ostensibly they can’t do Jacksy because no one disagrees with the ban or TCI.

          Of course that aspect (of the stiff upper lip) never quite jelled with Mr. Chapman, who tweets or writes about us incessantly. And the wifie at Bath Uni and Mr Glatz have all whinged at being savaged by a bunch of non existent mosquitoes / bloggers.

          And we do many things rather well. Alert others (about the impact of smoking bans and similar techniques being used on food, booze, climate and misappropriation of taxpayers money – one even got “fake charity” into the mainstream). Act as outstanding role models. And help make UKIP the third force in English politics.

          They may not appear to be listening, but they hear every word that’s said. My site’s got several robots tuned in to report any change made to any file. One situated in California, another not far from Chicago and a third that’s close to Bournemouth. PIA they are, but they are light on bandwidth. And they’re the ones they want me to know about!

    • Frank Davis says:

      Britain, Australia, USA did not experience the jackboot in WW2. All the rebellious countries did, and some of them experienced the Soviet jackboot until recently.

      That’s a good point. It would also explain the Greek attitude to smoking bans.

      But I’d count it as an additional factor over and above the higher prevalence of smokers. It wouldn’t have been possible to ban smoking when 70 or 80% of Britons smoked, however sheeplike we may be.

      The way things are going, civil war is inevitable, except that the war will not be with weapons

      I agree. But there will always be weapons available, just like there will always be tobacco available.

      • junican says:

        I should have said “In addition to your point” rather than “other reasons”.
        Absolutely – 50% smokers over there compared to 20% smokers here makes the effect of smoking bans even more damaging.

        • harleyrider1978 says:

          While we didnt get the Nazi Jackboot we did suffer smoking bans and alcohol prohibition in the early 20th century. Now we are finding California is the birthplace of nearly all the eugenics trash ever concieved even today.
          A point I’d like to make here is that the FCTC treaty clearly uses the World Bank as a tool to force compliance to the fctc treaty to all countries,the US Federal Govmnt under Owebama is using the threat of Federal dollars to push smoking bans the same way the WHO treaty does with purse strings from the world bank,IMF etc. Lets not forget the head of the IMF is obamas hand picked nazi!

          The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services announced an initiative to ban smoking from college campuses last month. This is part of the HHS goal to create a society free of tobacco-related disease and death, according to their action plan released by the HHS in 2010.

          Colleges who fail to enact campus-wide smoking bans and other tobacco-free policies may soon face the loss of grants and contracts from the HHS, according to the plan. Western receives grants through a subdivision of the HHS called the National Institutes of Health, Acting Vice Provost for Research Kathleen Kitto said.

          http://www.westernfrontonline.net/news/article_f8068f12-0efe-11e2-8b41-001a4bcf6878.html?success=1

          This is just the surface and we have no idea what other blackmale was put to the states by owbama to force thru statewide smoking bans,loss of federal road funds etc etc……

        • smokervoter says:

          Kathleen Sebelius at HHS is a smoke Nazi extraordinaire. Keep in mind that when Obama first set up shop at the White House he was at that stage of quitting smoking where you can’t think straight and you’re surrounded by rabid anti-smoking maniacs like Sebelius, William Corr and RWJFer Nancy-Ann DeParle telling you how great it will be when you (and the rest of the world) are smoke-free. And passing ObamaCare is priority number one.

          Isn’t Sebelius in some hot water right now over lobbying and business connections? Not that it would really make any difference. These neo-prohibitionist Nazis are for the most part untouchable and unstoppable.

          And, yes, California is the healthist-NuEugenics center of the universe. And the government arm is known as the California Department of Health Services, our in-state version of the HHS.

          And their Ministry of Propaganda is known as TobaccoFreeCA. Their public service announcements are suddenly everywhere. Not just on PBS stations anymore, but on the big three networks and during expensive football timeslots.

  8. Rose says:

    Talking of which, I thought I’d catch up on how the anti alcohol campaign was going.
    (I have had my regulation two glasses of wine for the year in Christmas toasts, so I count myself with the drinkers)

    Middle-aged women now drink even more than their daughters as doctors warn NHS is swamped by ‘silent alcohol epidemic’

    “Middle-aged professional women are consuming more alcohol than teenage drinkers for the first time, official figures show.
    They reveal that those over 45 drink more than any other age group, putting their health at risk.

    At the same time, experts have warned that older women are becoming the biggest burden on the NHS because of alcohol-related conditions, including stroke, liver disease and cancer.”
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2254751/Middle-aged-women-drink-daughters.html

    Never mind the science ladies or your protestations of moderation and personal responsibility, we tried all that.

    “Dr Vivienne Nathanson, head of science and ethics for the British Medical Association, said: “We have to start de-normalising alcohol – it is not like other types of food and drink.”
    http: //www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12599471

    Sounds familiar

    “Tobacco is not like any other product. It is the only legal consumer product on the market which is lethal when used as the manufacturer intended.”

    Nicotine
    Nicotine is an alkaloid found in the nightshade family of plants (Solanaceae), predominantly in tobacco, and in lower quantities in tomato, potato, eggplant (aubergine), and green pepper.

    Nicotine constitutes 0.3 to 5 percent of the tobacco plant by dry weight, with biosynthesis taking place in the roots, and accumulates in the leaves.
    http: //www.sciencedaily.com/articles/n/nicotine.htm

    Previously –

    WHO gets nod to tackle harmful use of alcohol – May 22, 2008
    http: //www.reuters.com/article/2008/05/22/us-un-alcohol-idUSL2267900320080522

    Alcohol Consumption Guidelines Inadequate for Cancer Prevention, Analysis Finds – July 11, 2011

    “There is increasing evidence that links alcohol consumption to cancer. The WHO International Agency of Research on Cancer has stated, based on evidence, that alcohol is carcinogenic in both animals and humans. Several evaluations of this agency as well the joint 2007 report of the World Cancer Research Fund and the American Institute for Cancer Research warned of the link between alcohol and cancers in the mouth, throat, esophagus, liver, colon-rectum and breast cancers.

    Based on the evidence, “there is no level of alcohol consumption for which cancer risk is null.”
    http: //www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/07/110711131316.htm

    2012 Jun 20

    An international legal strategy for alcohol control: not a framework convention-at least not yet.

    “The perceived success of the Framework Convention on Tobacco Control (FCTC) in influencing national and global public health policies has led to growing interest in promulgating new international legal instruments to address global health issues-including calls for a Framework Convention on Alcohol Control (FCAC).

    Methods 

    Despite broad support in the public health community, the authors caution that an analysis of the value of lawmaking for alcohol control cannot rest solely on the character of the underlying public health challenge and the similarities between alcohol control and tobacco control. Other factors must be considered, including the relative political feasibility for global health lawmaking.

    The potential contribution of non-binding international legal instruments to advancing global alcohol control, in particular, deserves strong consideration.

    Results 

    The authors propose a gradual international legal strategy for alcohol control, starting with a non-binding code of practice focusing on areas of critical concern with wide political consensus, leading over time to a comprehensive binding treaty.

    Although often dismissed as ineffective relative to treaties, non-binding international legal instruments have particular strengths and can create both norms and processes that impact the behavior of states and other actors, overcoming a number of limitations of more rigid legally binding strategies.

    Conclusions 

    Ultimately, the authors contend that the negotiation and adoption of a non-binding international legal instrument as a first step in a long-run legal strategy offers a more politically realistic, and potentially superior, alternative to immediate efforts to achieve a Framework Convention on Alcohol Control.”
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22716659

    *Slaps self for experiencing a sudden burst of inappropriate and hollow laughter.

  9. magnetic01 says:

    Some may be interested in the current thread (and comment) at f2choose (Scotland):
    http://f2cscotland.blogspot.com.au/2012/12/smoking-ban-at-edinburgh-psychiatric.html

    • Rose says:

      Smoking bans
      [Article 8] “creates an obligation to provide universal protection by ensuring that all indoor public places, all indoor workplaces, all public transport and possibly other (outdoor or quasi-outdoor) public places are free from exposure to second-hand tobacco smoke.”
      http://www.who.int/fctc/cop/art%208%20guidelines_english.pdf

      No exemptions are justified on the basis of health or law arguments ” – and apparently not on the grounds of natural human compassion, either.

      That’s what I meant by sending decent folk round in circles.

      • harleyrider1978 says:

        Rose you hit it,the treaty defys all law and cultural settings…………Its a treaty that was never meant to last. All it does is create hate and discontent that will lead governments to collapse from within. They want other peoples money so bad theyd sale their souls and citizens freedom to get it. When the Syphon runs out,look out!~

    • Frank Davis says:

      That letter deserves being reproduced.

      Published on Sunday 30 December 2012 00:17

      WITH the outright ban on smoking in psychiatric hospitals being in effect for over a year now, even the old and infirm have to smoke in the hospital grounds in all weathers.

      The majority of patients 
face enforced detention of months rather than weeks, with a considerable number being long-term, ie years. Patients under supervision ­often have to wait hours before staff find time to escort them to get a smoke, with those very seriously disturbed not allowed out of their ward at all.

      There are very few home comforts in psychiatric hospitals; it is an extremely distressing environment. The old smoking lounges were places to socialise and to smoke in relative comfort whenever you felt in need of a cigarette.

      With very few exceptions, psychiatric patients are not criminals. They have not been sentenced by a court of law. Yet even prisoners can smoke in their cells. Where is the 
justice in this? What happened to the ethos of a caring NHS? Smoking lounges should be reinstated on humanitarian grounds alone.

      George McGregor, Aberdeen

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      Isnt it wonderful when you can create any magical threat you want and never have to produce any proof at all other than a junk study saying its LINKED!

      • Rose says:

        Now Dr Siegel once explained this phenomenon to me by accidentally.

        Tobacco is linked to everything because tobacco smoke specifically, seemingly unlike any other kind of smoke routinely encountered, is believed to weaken the immune system, so anyone who has ever been exposed to it must therefore be more prone to any disease you care to mention, so whatever illness someone might develop is at least partly attributable to tobacco smoke.

        Secondhand Smoke: The FCTC Commitments
        ‘Parties recognize that scientific evidence has unequivocally established that exposure to tobacco smoke causes death, disease and disability’.
        http://www.fctc.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=85&Itemid=84

        • Rose says:

          In fact, strangely reminiscent of the old theories of miasma or evil spirits.

          Miasma theory

          “The miasma theory (also called the miasmatic theory) held that diseases such as cholera, chlamydia or the Black Death were caused by a miasma ( ancient Greek: “pollution”), a noxious form of “bad air”. The theory held that the origin of these epidemic diseases was a miasma, emanating from rotting organic matter.

          The miasma theory was accepted from ancient times in Europe, India and China. The theory was eventually displaced in the 19th century by the discovery of germs and the germ theory of disease.”

          “Fear of miasma registered in many early nineteenth century warnings concerning what was termed “unhealthy fog”. The presence of fog strongly indicated the presence of miasma.

          The miasmas behaved like smoke or mist, blown with air currents, wafted by winds. It did not simply travel on air, it changed the air through which it propagated.

          The atmosphere was infected by miasma, as diseased people were.
          Many believed miasma was magical, and was able to change the properties of the air and atmosphere completely.”
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miasma_theory

        • Frank Davis says:

          Florence Nightingale died in 1910, and was a believer in the miasma theory of disease propagation. She was also a great believer in fresh air. And she was far from alone in her beliefs.

          Maybe these “miasmatists” never went away. And in 1920 in Germany, ‘miasma’ metamorphosed into ‘tobacco smoke’ for Fritz Lickint. And Adolf Hitler, (and many others) gassed during WW1, had direct personal experience of another kind of ‘miasma’. Poison gas and tobacco smoke perhaps helped keep the moribund miasma theory alive. And thereafter London smogs and industrial pollution helped even more. Defeated by germ theorists at the beginning of the 20th century, miasma theory clung on, and became the dominant theory once again at the end of the 20th century, superseding germ theory. So now all diseases are regarded as being caused by tobacco smoke.

        • harleyrider1978 says:

          Thats why we LOVE YOU ROSE!

  10. junican says:

    The authors propose a gradual international legal strategy for alcohol control, starting with a non-binding code of practice.
    Alegal strategy which is not binding………..
    There we go again…… These people buggering about with the language. How can a strategy be ‘legal’ but ‘not binding’? It’s rather like the phrase ‘non-communicable diseases’.

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      Its like the Rio Summit in 1992 where the Precautionary Princilpe was established with no legal binding on anyone. It late became known as the ”DO NO HARM PRINCIPLE”.

      However the point here is with no legal binding signed decree it can be abandoned at any moment or never instituted. The FCTC while its binding via being a ratified treaty by those who did will find it easily tossed aside except for its provisions about worl bank loans that were used to blackmale countries to sign on or risk loss of those loans. Now with the World basically printing the money to keep the IMF,WORLD BANK and other Global welfare bailout banks alive the question becomes. When the printing has to stop and it must the FCTC’s blackmale threats become little more than toilet paper.

  11. harleyrider1978 says:

    As Rose points out here in the below:

    [As I understand it, what this means is that any representations made by anybody in opposition to any of the provisions of the Convention cannot be allowed to influence, or “subvert” or “interfere with” its provisions.]

    This is in complete violation of American Federal laws on non-profits/ Grant Recipients who cannot Lobby for smoking bans/tobacco tax increases as the Inspector Generals Office warned NIH,CDC and other Federal Agencies about pushing efforts to influence legislation. The FCTC treaty would be in violation of current and existing laws.

  12. harleyrider1978 says:

    Heres a piece I found buried in my files that someone put out awhile back,kudos to who wrote it:

    This must be the most un-scientific statement of the century written on page 20 article 8 of the WHO FCTC.
    Principle 1
    Effective measures to provide protection from exposure to
    tobacco smoke, as envisioned by Article 8 of the WHO FCTC,
    require the total elimination of smoking and tobacco smoke in a
    particular space or environment in order to create a 100% smoke
    free environment. There is no safe level of exposure
    to tobacco smoke, and notions such as a threshold value for
    toxicity from second-hand smoke should be rejected, as they are
    contradicted by scientific evidence. Approaches other than 100%
    smoke free environments, including ventilation, air filtration and
    the use of designated smoking areas (whether with separate
    ventilation systems or not), have repeatedly been shown to be
    ineffective and there is conclusive evidence, scientific and
    otherwise, that engineering approaches do not protect against
    exposure to tobacco smoke.
    http://whqlibdoc.who.int/publications/2011/9789241501316_eng.pdf

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      Heres the statement thats key:

      [and notions such as a threshold value for
      toxicity from second-hand smoke should be rejected,]

      That statement was tossed in after the OSHA PEL court case was lost by Banzhaft!

      Field studies of environmental tobacco smoke indicate that under normal conditions, the components in tobacco smoke are diluted below existing Permissible Exposure Levels (PELS.) as referenced in the Air Contaminant Standard (29 CFR 1910.1000)…It would be very rare to find a workplace with so much smoking that any individual PEL would be exceeded.” -Letter From Greg Watchman, Acting Sec’y, OSHA

  13. harleyrider1978 says:

    What we have is a FCTC TREATY that defies all logic,all science and all truth!
    In fact the whole chirade is just that!

  14. magnetic01 says:

    “While we didnt get the Nazi Jackboot…”

    Harley, America came very close earlier last century.

    A well-buried, little-known fact is that in late-1933/early-1934, just after the fascists were installed to power in Germany, there was an attempted coup in the USA intending to install a fascist government. This is known as the “Business Plot”. A congressional investigation concluded that there was an attempted, but failed, coup. The wrong man was picked to lead the coup, who then turned whistleblower. No prosecutions followed (possibly deals). The attempted coup involved a “who’s who” of the mega-wealthy in the USA, many of them the same supporters/funders of eugenics.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/document/document_20070723.shtml

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    • harleyrider1978 says:

      No prosecutions followed (possibly deals). The attempted coup involved a “who’s who” of the mega-wealthy in the USA, many of them the same supporters/funders of eugenics.

      They buy the whitehouse its much easier…………….If ya got the money politics is just a cost of doing business like any protection racket.

  15. harleyrider1978 says:

    Ya I know about it. FDR was closely tied with the communists and his VP was replaced when he ran for his 4th term as the VP was super tidy with the commies and FDR decided to get Harry Truman as VP to stop that Former VP’S connections being used against him in the upcomming election. Evem Elanor Roosevelt was told to chime down and stop going to so many Union slash communists events……..Then we remember YALTA where FDR gave away eastern europe to the soviets without engaging Churchill in the decision.

  16. harleyrider1978 says:

    The Nazi movement in Amerikkka was gaining a lot of traction and membership up until 1940 I believe it was. They had great movement in the klu klux klan,but then the klan was a big pusher of alcohol prohibition too. It seems that no matter the cause they cross paths somewhere in support of each other. Even the Tobacco Comapnies jumped on with the prohibitionists to make a deal with the devil in the MSA. But perhaps the Tobacco Companies made a deal they knew in time would kill off the prohibitionist movement. Thats yet to be seen……….

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