Beer, Tobacco, and F-type Jags

I needed to set up a PayPal account today. In fact, I already had one. So I resuscitated it and used it to buy what I wanted.

It reminded me that, after several suggestions in the comments, I’ve been meaning to set up a Tip Jar.

So I’ve now got a Beer, Tobacco, and F-type Jaguar Donations button in the right margin. I only need about £60,000 to get an F-type Jaguar. (Did you know that they have three engines in them? Three seems a bit of an strange number. I would have thought that four would have been right. One for each wheel.)

Anyway, I haven’t managed to test it out. I tried using my PayPal account to put some money in it, but it wouldn’t allow me to give any money to myself (Why not?). So I instead tried using my Visa Debit card. Same result.

So if someone feels flush enough to drop a quid or two in it, I’ll be interested to see if it starts collecting.

It seems easy enough to put money into this sort of PayPal account. But I’ve heard that it’s quite difficult to get it out, and, y’know, spend it on beer and tobacco and F-type Jags. In the small print it says:

This button is intended for fundraising. If you are not raising money for a cause, please choose another option. Not-for-profit organisations must verify their status to withdraw the donations they receive. Users that are not verified not-for-profit organisations must demonstrate how their donations will be used, once they raise more than $10,000.

Well, I am raising money for a cause. I’ve been doing the ISIS smokers’ social impact survey, and for that I need beer, tobacco, and an F-type Jag. They are the basic essentials. The tools of the trade.

And I write this blog – which has been described as a ‘public service’.

Maybe I should register as a charity? ASH is registered as a charity, after all, and I bet I do much more good than they do. And furthermore I’m a pretty charitable sort of guy.

I think that Andrew Montford over on Bishop Hill has exactly the same sort of PayPal tip jar as mine. I emailed him about 6 months ago to ask whether he’d had any problems with it, and he said he hadn’t. Perhaps I should ask him whether he’s tried to get any money out of it yet. Or whether anybody’s put any money in it.

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18 Responses to Beer, Tobacco, and F-type Jags

  1. harleyrider1978 says:

    Frank Id demand goverment funding in the form of a 60 million pound grant with 10 million payable NOW! Its easy for the government to do they will simply print it all up and deliver it to your door………..Then you can buy all of us a Jag!

  2. Frank Davis says:

    I could buy a thousand F-type Jaguars with £60 million. One for each one of my readers.

  3. Barman says:

    I’ve got a donate button on my site and it works just fine…

    Don’t expect top get rich from it tho…

    I have much more success with my Amazon link. Basically, any visitor to the site that buys from Amazon via my link makes me 5% – and (more importantly) doesn’t cost them anything…

  4. Woodsy42 says:

    I have a Paypal account, useful to buy and sell stuff on Ebay, and recently all sorts of other online traders have started taking paypal payments. My specialist car part supplier, a building supplies place I recently used and others. But it costs to transfer money out from it to a bank account so I never do that.

  5. harleyrider1978 says:

    Dalligate – the lobbying, the conspiracy, and the €60 million bribe…A look back at the week’s events that surrounded Dalligate – the resignation of John Dalli as the EU’s health commissioner

    Its a long write up:

  6. john problem says:

    A simpler way would be to drop leaflets in people’s doors. Or join a demo in Lunnon. Or cosy up to some of the huge number of billionaire johnnies in Lunnon. Or ask yer Mam.

  7. beobrigitte says:

    Maybe I should register as a charity? ASH is registered as a charity, after all, and I bet I do much more good than they do.

    You are bloody well right!!!

    I haven’t got a functional paypal account but if I can donate with my debit card I will do so.

    Today I read a small article in the rag called “Daily Mail”. Apparently since 2007 over 10 000 pubs closed down in England due to rising beer prizes…. Right. It’s the beer prizes that didn’t put off the customers in the early 80s then. (Who remembers the number of unemployed people then? A night out in the pub could easily swallow up half the unemployment benefit they received in a week, still, the pubs were packed.)

    Perhaps the Daily Rag needs to address the smoking ban, “co-incidentally” dictated in 2007…

  8. smokervoter says:

    Harley, do you know anything about Diane Black (R)-Tenn of Gallatin? She needs to let the screen door hit her on the way out.

    I admire this fellows style and workmanship. I only wish I had the time and energy to go after our political enemies as effectively as he does. He’s a top notch writer to boot.

    Let’s Demolish RINO Diane Black on November 6th

    As a general rule it’s the Dem’s that hurt us the most, so when a RINO turns the knife, I get real, real bloodthirsty!

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      Youd never convince my wife,Diane Black was instrumental in her ability to get a habitat for humanity house about 16 years ago of which we sold after we got married. My perception was anyone who is involved in habitat for humanity has to be a RINO all the way down the line!

  9. smokervoter says:

    What is it about these antismokers anyway, are they all born of the same mother and father? She looks a lot like Debs Arnott. And all of the men have got that graying, nutty neurotic professor thing going on. Think Jonathan Samet and Stanton Glantz.

    • Barry Homan says:

      Judging from my observations alone, based on personality AND appearance, anti-smokers make up a special category of person: it’s that kind of person that everyone hopes WON’T be sitting at their table. Keep moving, go sit at the next table.

      We all know that type.

  10. smokervoter says:

    Get 45,000 angry 6th District Tennessee smokers to join up with 51,000 Dems to vote for Scott Beasley (independent) and pay her back in full for that rotten bill she authored.

    I’ve rolled my own with a machine and filter tubes for five years now. As such, I’m no longer a customer of Big Tobacco. It seems weird to say this but they can kiss my ass.

    I’m a customer of Global Tobacco LLC, Gizeh (cig tubes), Rizla (machinery) and me, myself and I (labor).

  11. harleyrider1978 says:

    Head of E.P.A. Bars Nazi Data In Study on Gas

    By PHILIP SHABECOFF, Special to the New York Times
    Published: March 23, 1988
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    The chief of the Environmental Protection Agency, alerted by a letter of protest from agency scientists, has barred from an E.P.A. report on a toxic gas any data that the Nazis acquired in experiments on concentration camp prisoners.

    The action by the agency’s Administrator, Lee M. Thomas, followed an E.P.A. draft study in which the information from the Nazi experiments was used.

    The purpose of the study was to trace the human effects of various doses of the gas, phosgene, because it is now widely used in the manufacture of plastics and pesticides. Weapon of World War I

    Phosgene gas in much greater strengths was used as a weapon in World War I, and Nazi doctors exposed 52 prisoners to it in 1943 and 1944 to test a possible antidote.

    Four of the prisoners died in the experiments, which were conducted at Fort Ney near Strasbourg, France. Many of the others, who according to German records from World War II were already weak and undernourished, developed pulmonary edema from exposure to the gas, which causes extreme irritation in the lungs.

    The use of the Nazi data in the E.P.A. study touched off a debate among agency scientists concerning the ethics of employing information originally acquired in such experiments. Having learned of the Nazis’ phosgene findings, Mr. Thomas quickly decided that the agency should not use them, according to his chief of staff, Craig DeRemer.

    Mr. Thomas knew nothing about the Nazi data until last Friday, when the letter of protest from agency scientists arrived, Mr. DeRemer said. The chief of staff said that although ”Lee has not had a chance to focus on the ethical or moral issues,” the Administrator considered use of the Nazi data to be at the very least stupid because it would open the E.P.A. to criticism inasmuch as similar information could have been gleaned from other soures, like animal experiments and medical records of workers exposed to the gas. Defense of Data’s Use Several scientists who helped prepare the draft study defended the use of the Nazi data on the ground that, however questionable the origin, the information could help protect public health from a potentially severe threat.

    But 22 agency employees, many of them scientists, wrote to Mr. Thomas last week questioning the use of unethically obtained data and expressing doubt about the scientific value of such information.

    An issue raised by the letter was whether the agency should ever use such data.

    ”Some have suggested,” it said, ”that such data (if scientifically sound and verifiable) should be used if some ‘good’ to humans can result. Others feel that to use such data debases us all as a society, gives such experiments legitimacy, and implicitly encourages others, perhaps in less exacting societies, to perform unethical human ‘experiments.’ ”

    The letter also suggested that because the data had been collected through ”unethical human experiments,” they were ”almost certain to be inherently flawed.”

    The scientists who signed the letter suggested that the environmental agency develop clear policies on the use of data originally obtained by unethical means. ‘Larger Bioethical Problem’

    Dr. Judith Bellin, an agency toxicologist who was among the signers, said in an interview that the E.P.A.’s use of the Nazi data was part of ”a larger bioethical problem that needs to be addressed.” While using such data could save lives in some situations, she said, in a much larger context it could lead to a way of thinking that would condone taking some lives in order to save others.

    Mr. DeRemer said that the agency’s staff knew of no other case where unethically obtained information, such as that acquired by the Nazis through their experiments, had been used for research purposes by the E.P.A.

    In addition to the ethical matter is the question of such data’s reliability. While American researchers have occasionally studied findings on poisonous gases invented by the Germans and tested in concentration camps, most of the data from experiments in the camps are considered unreliable.

    Hugh Kaufman, an official in the agency’s toxic waste program and a frequent critic of its policies, said of the Nazis’ experiments:

    ”My understanding is that they threw people in a room and broke open a vial of phosgene gas and counted how long it took for them to die. That is pseudoscience, and the people working on these things for the agency are making basic scientific calls we use to make standards and regulations.” Consultant Cites Data’s Value

    But Todd Thorslund, a vice president of ICF-Clement, a consulting company that used information from the E.P.A. in preparing the draft study under contract with the agency, said that while the Nazi data ”as with any experiment had flaws,” they still amounted to valuable information.

    He said that ”as far as we can tell it appeared they tried to document things.”

    ”There certainly was a precision to the measurements, in contrast to other information we have on what this does to human beings,” he said.

    ”Of course nobody in their right mind condones the experiment,” Mr. Thorslund added. ”The question is, Given that this fiendish thing was done, what do you do with the information that exists?”

    He said that when terrible things are done to people over which they have no control, a common reaction is to ”try to make something positive out of it.”

    ”I suspect that the prisoners would have wanted to have the information used to help somebody,” Mr. Thorslund said. Implications for Public

    Ila Cote, an E.P.A. toxicologist who was one of the scientists responsible for the draft study, said there were some indications of a serious health threat from phosgene, particularly to people living around plants that make or use it. She noted that the agency was seeking data on how humans are affected by the gas in order take regulatory action, if necessary, to protect the public. ”It is a real concern,” she said.

    She said that ”ethical issues are very real” and that she was sympathetic to those who expressed their ethical concerns to Mr. Thomas.

    ”But my personal opinion,” she added, ”is that when data is collected in an unethical fashion, if it is important in protecting public health and is not available in any other way, I would use it.”

  12. harleyrider1978 says:

    Smoke-free prisons a success: report

    This is just to funny

    New Zealand’s ban on smoking in prisons has been a success, a report says, but some prisoners are so desperate they soak tea leaves in nicotine from their quitting patches and lighting them by fiddling with power sockets and light bulbs.

    Last year, New Zealand became the first country in the world to make its prisons smoke free. Prisoners cannot possess tobacco, lighters, matches or cigarette papers.

    The first Corrections Department examination of the policy, conducted by independent experts, says the smoke-free policy has been successful and the country’s 19 prisons are now smoke free.

    There had been none of the predicted violent backlash from prisoners, the prisoners’ health was improving and even the guards appreciated the fresher atmosphere. The numbers of prisoner-lit fires decreased “precipitously”.

    In the month after the ban was introduced, guards confiscated 569 lighters and 237 tobacco items. One year later just two lighters and 12 tobacco items were found.

    Auckland University has air monitors in Auckland Prison at Paremoremo, which showed a 57 per cent reduction in indoor air pollution.

    However, the report says that despite a 12-week stop smoking programme, some prisoners were making DIY cigarettes from tea leaves soaked in nicotine extracted from nicotine replacement therapy patches, which were then dried and rolled in whatever paper is available.

    Tea bags and patches are permitted, so prisoners could not be charged unless caught in the act of smoking a DIY cigarette.

    Prisoners were breaking light bulbs, or interfering with power sockets to generate a spark to light the cigarette.

    They were most likely to smoke the homemade cigarettes in their cells, which sometimes set off smoke alarms.

    Another of unintended outcomes was that male and female prisoners reported gaining weight since becoming smoke free.

    The value of black market tobacco was estimated to have risen to as much as $100 for a pack of tailor-made cigarettes.

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