Lovelock Recants

H/T James Delingpole for this msnbc interview of James Lovelock (my added emphases):

The new book [by Lovelock] will discuss how humanity can change the way it acts in order to help regulate the Earth’s natural systems, performing a role similar to the harmonious one played by plants when they absorb carbon dioxide and produce oxygen

It will also reflect his new opinion that global warming has not occurred as he had expected.

“The problem is we don’t know what the climate is doing. We thought we knew 20 years ago. That led to some alarmist books – mine included – because it looked clear-cut, but it hasn’t happened,” Lovelock said.

“The climate is doing its usual tricks. There’s nothing much really happening yet. We were supposed to be halfway toward a frying world now,” he said.

“The world has not warmed up very much since the millennium. Twelve years is a reasonable time… it (the temperature) has stayed almost constant, whereas it should have been rising — carbon dioxide is rising, no question about that,” he added.

He pointed to Gore’s “An Inconvenient Truth” and Tim Flannery’s “The Weather Makers” as other examples of “alarmist” forecasts of the future.

In 2007, Time magazine named Lovelock as one of 13 leaders and visionaries in an article on “Heroes of the Environment,” which also included Gore, Mikhail Gorbachev and Robert Redford.

“Jim Lovelock has no university, no research institute, no students. His almost unparalleled influence in environmental science is based instead on a particular way of seeing things,” Oliver Morton, of the journal Nature wrote in Time. “Humble, stubborn, charming, visionary, proud and generous, his ideas about Gaia have started a change in the conception of biology that may serve as a vital complement to the revolution that brought us the structures of DNA and proteins and the genetic code.”


Asked if he was now a climate skeptic, Lovelock told “It depends what you mean by a skeptic. I’m not a denier.”

He said human-caused carbon dioxide emissions were driving an increase in the global temperature, but added that the effect of the oceans was not well enough understood and could have a key role.

“It (the sea) could make all the difference between a hot age and an ice age,” he said.

He said he still thought that climate change was happening, but that its effects would be felt farther in the future than he previously thought.

“We will have global warming, but it’s been deferred a bit,” Lovelock said.

As “an independent and a loner,” he said he did not mind saying “All right, I made a mistake.” He claimed a university or government scientist might fear an admission of a mistake would lead to the loss of funding.

One of the comments under Delingpole’s blog also reported (but didn’t provide a link) that last year Lovelock said:

“The great climate science centres around the world are more than well aware how weak their science is. If you talk to them privately they’re scared stiff of the fact that they don’t really know what the clouds and the aerosols are doing. They could be absolutely running the show. We haven’t got the physics worked out yet.”

This is entirely plausible. It’s well known that cloud formation is not well understood. And that really means that the physics is incomplete: Some things are not understood.

In another comment, someone else remarked that Lovelock seems to have forgotten his own idea of a self-regulating Gaia (such as his Daisyworld, in which black daisies multiplied and absorbed sunlight when the earth was too cold, and white daisies multiplied and reflected sunlight when the earth was too hot). The same idea (and perhaps a better idea) is that when the earth heats up, more water evaporates into the atmosphere, and this forms more reflective clouds (the equivalent of white daisies) which cool the earth. Conversely when the earth cools, less water evaporates into the atmosphere, and cloud cover is reduced, allowing more sunlight to fall on the earth’s surface. However, since cloud formation is not well understood (and is also the subject of investigations by Henrik Svensmark), such a negative feedback process is unlikely to have been included into any climate model.

This is a refreshing change from someone who was saying not so long ago that:

Before this century is over billions of us will die and the few breeding pairs of people that survive will be in the Arctic where the climate remains tolerable.

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44 Responses to Lovelock Recants

  1. Lets get them all in a room together and toss in some mustard gas grenades!

  2. How did I miss this:

    Family Dollar Hopes To Hook Low-Income Shoppers With Cigarettes
    The Huffington Post | By Alice Hines Posted: 03/29/2012 4:15 pm Updated: 03/30/2012 3:16 pm

    UPDATE: This story has been updated to reflect a statement from Leon Levine, founder of Family Dollar.

    In the fight for low-income shoppers, Family Dollar has unveiled a new weapon: cigarettes.

    The Matthews, N.C.-based dollar store will start selling cigarettes and tobacco products in the next several months, president and Chief Operating Officer Michael Bloom said on a conference call with analysts Wednesday.

    Family Dollar shoppers smoke more than average, but until now have been getting their fix elsewhere. “Tobacco is about a $90 billion business that drives very frequent trips,” Bloom said. “Our customer research tells us that Family Dollar customers overindex on cigarettes and tobacco products. Soon, our customers will be able to come to our stores for these products.”

    Tobacco free kids at johnson and johnson didnt miss it!

    What does Family Dollar value?

    The recent announcement by Family Dollar Stores that they will begin selling cigarettes and other tobacco products provides a most unfortunate answer to that question: profits over health. Please contact the current CEO of Family Dollar, Howard Levine, urging him to stop this dangerous practice before it starts.

    My next question is when will DOLLAR GENERAL their major competitor and my home is right by their corporate offices do the same!

  3. smokervoter says:

    One of the reasons I find Obama to be either bi-polar or just plain unmanly is the fact that he is able to be in the same room as William Corr, the former executive director of Campaign for Tobacco Free Kids. How can you smoke for twenty-five years and then pal around and even choose a guy like Corr as a White House transition-team member? Have you ever seen a photo of this guy. He’s a total loony.

    I would truly question Benyamin Netanyahou’s sanity if he could fathom being in the same room as Ahmadinejad. I don’t work that way. If you’re a natural enemy like Corr is, you’re not going to walk out of a room with me with all your teeth intact, this ain’t tiddlywinks.

    I wasn’t aware that there is a connection between Johnson & Johnson and Corr’s old hate group. Thanks for the heads up. I have a list of all of J&J products and I never buy anything from them.

    • Frank Davis says:

      Yeah, I couldn’t stand being in the same room as someone like that. Probably couldn’t stand to be in the same room as Obama either. Or Cameron. Or more or less any other politician you care to mention.

  4. smokingscot says:

    Humble, stubborn, charming, visionary, proud. Independent and a loner.

    So they’ve found your doppelgänger Frank!

  5. New Zealand Mulls Charging $100 for Pack of Cigarettes

    Lumir G Janku · Top Commenter
    Who knows, maybe they want to create jobs and reduce unemployment. $100 per pack means an awful lot of jobs in the black market sector… Naw, they wouldn’t be that savvy. The guberment beast is parasitic in its nature and does not, in its greed, consider unintended consequence like killing the host.

  6. Rose says:

    Talking of those who recant, the sudden reappearance of Clive Bates on Chris Snowdon’s blog , assuring us that he was “now no longer involved in public health” rekindled my interest in his previous activities.

    Clive Bates was head of ASH from 1997 to 2003

    By amazing coincidence.

    Green campaigner and marketing specialist to take charge at ASH
    16 June 1997

    “The new Director of ASH, Action on Smoking and Health, has started work. Clive Bates joins ASH just as the political temperature surrounding tobacco control policy is rising sharply. He comes to ASH having previously worked for Greenpeace as a campaigner and the computer company, IBM, as a marketing specialist.

    Bates is enthusiastic about the role; “It’s a great time to be coming in. The new Government really wants to do something about the 300 deaths every day from tobacco-related disease. We want to push the tobacco control agenda as far as possible – for the first time in years, real progress looks likely”.

    “1n 1992, he started work for Greenpeace, specialising in energy, global warming and ozone protection, though also working as a lobbyist across a wide range of environmental concerns – including the Brent Spar and French nuclear testing. In 1996 he left Greenpeace to join an international campaign organisation, IIEC, working in Eastern Europe and lobbying in the Climate Convention.”

  7. Rose says:

    It all begins to make sense.

    This date of guilty knowledge thing had been bothering me.

    “ASH has sent a registered letter to all the UK’s leading hospitality trade employers , warning them that the ” date of guilty knowledge ” under the Health and Safety at Work Act is now past, and that employers should therefore know of the risks of exposing their staff to secondhand smoke.”

    Turns out it was created near the beginning of Clive Bates tenure. I always thought that the Warmist’s were using Anti-tobacco tactics, it seems that in the UK at least, it was the other way round.

    According to this, the opinion on the “date of guilty knowledge” was sought in 1998.

    That article makes for very disturbing reading how the Health and Safety at Work Act I974 was “re-interpreted” to suit ASH’s requirements.

    “In a legal opinion obtained by ASH, J. Melville Williams QC suggests that not only has the date of guilty knowledge passed for employers, but also for the Health & Safety Executive and Commission.

    He further suggests that ETS should be formally recognized to be within the 1988 Control of Substances Hazardous to Health (COSHH) Regulations, not least because of the 4000 carcinogens that it is believed to contain ; this would oblige employers to carry out a suitable and sufficient risk assessment.”

    Which very much looks to me like they are also accusing the Health & Safety Executive and Commission of “guilty knowledge” on the strength of a “belief”.

    These guys really do play to win.

    • Rose you just found the smoking gun,how they rewrote the rules!

      • Rose says:

        “In a legal opinion obtained by ASH, J. Melville Williams QC suggests that not only has the date of guilty knowledge passed for employers, but also for the Health & Safety Executive and Commission .

        So that could be why the HSE pulled paragraph 9 in HSE in OC255/15

        “The Health and safety executive could find no evidence, hence the statement in article 9 from HSE in OC255/15 published in 2006

        “The evidential link between individual circumstances of exposure to risk in exempted premises will be hard to establish. In essence, HSE cannot produce epidemiological evidence to link levels of exposure to SHS to the raised risk of contracting specific diseases and it is therefore difficult to prove health-related breaches of the Health and Safety at Work Act”

        Click to access 255_15.pdf

        H/T Greg Burrows

        Mysterious Changes by the HSE.
        18th July 2007.

        • Frank Davis says:

          What value has a “legal opinion”? It’s just what some lawyer has said. It’s not a court ruling.

        • Rose says:

          It was clearly enough to frighten the hospitality and presumably the HSE into complying.

          Quite possibly the government too.

          After all, they were stuck, they’d already signed.

          “192 member states of the WHO took part in negotiations, producing a draft text, adopted by the World Health Assembly in May 2003.

          28 countries, including the UK, signed the treaty in June 2003.”

          “Last week saw an unprecedented attack by the medical establishment of the UK on government health policy.
          In a letter to The Times on Nov 25, leaders of the 18 Royal Colleges of medicine and their faculties jointly condemn the failure of the UK government to introduce legislation to ban smoking in public places.

          Unlike parts of the USA (eg, California, Connecticut, Florida, and New York State), parts of Canada, Thailand, and south Australia, which have already introduced legislation, the UK government is sticking to its position that a voluntary code is sufficient.

          In response to the call in The Times, the Health Minister, Melanie Johnson, backed by John Reid, the Health Secretary, and Tony Blair, the Prime Minister, said that more needed to be done to persuade the public of the merits of a ban before it could be imposed.”

          Smoke and Mirrors
          “The then secretary of state for health, John Reid (an ex-smoker), publicly stated that banning smoking in public places was not on his agenda. “Show us the votes,” said his political adviser, when we tried to convince him of the public health arguments.

          But Reid overreached himself. His description of smoking as a “working-class pleasure” created a media firestorm that we could exploit, pushing him further than he wanted to go on the road to comprehensive legislation.

          His compromise on the issue – exempting non-food pubs and clubs from smoke-free legislation – made its way into the manifesto and simply made his long-term position worse.

          After the 2005 election, Reid became the defence secretary but remained wedded to his compromise and fought for it in the cabinet.

          Every part of the subsequent ministerial row became public knowledge – provoked, in part, by Ash’s well-informed political briefings”

        • The PRECAUTIONARY PRINCIPLE in the UN is where the weak link lies,with it destroyed and non-observed the law is then reverted back to that of having to produce FACTUAL CAUSATION in order to claim a public health THREAT! It leaves the sky is falling crowd back at the dyke with their finger in her hole!

  8. Rose says:

    Oh, surely not.

    January 1997

    LETTER : Freeze points to need for climate action

    “Sir: Paradoxically, a severe cold spell is a very appropriate moment for a robust lead article on global warming (4 January). However, the article implies that the recent cold weather is probably a natural variation from the trend of gradual temperature increases. That is certainly possible, but it could just as easily be a perverse consequence of global warming itself.

    The extra heat trapped by greenhouse gases changes the circulation of the atmosphere and may even disrupt major systems such as the Gulf Stream. If the changed circulation means that Britain gets more of its weather from the Arctic than from the Caribbean, global warming may cause local cooling.”


    International Institute for Energy Conservation–freeze-points-to-need-for-climate-action-1281949.html


    A load of hot air? 2006

    “When the Environment Agency publicised research on global warming over the next 1,000 years, it predicted cataclysmic change; temperature rises of 15C and sea levels increasing by 11m. The agency said action was needed now.

    But this isn’t how the study’s lead author, Dr Tim Lenton sees it. His research shows if you did nothing for a century you would still only get a fraction of the worst case scenario. He says there’s consternation among scientists at the presentation of their science by the Environment Agency. Scientists would have liked to have seen a more balanced picture presented.

    Clive Bates, head of environment policy at the agency, says it’s simply a case of Dr Lenton not understanding the way the media works. “He was involved in signing off the press release, there is nothing in there that is actually incorrect.”

    Could this have been the same Clive Bates, returning to his roots?

  9. smokervoter says:

    The way most politicians have dealt with the smoking issue – steadfastly supporting the tyranny of the majority while rejecting personal liberty – has forever soured my estimation of them and with it the whole democratic process. The principled and valiant are few and far between.

    There are a couple of rare exceptions. If I found myself in the same room with Nigel Farage or US House Speaker John Boehner, I’d reach for my cigarette lighter and prepare for some enlightened conversation.

    • Yep when your the BOSS you can smoke where ya want!

    • smokervoter says:

      I meant for this comment to go right under your reply to my comment at 1:03 PM. As self-congratulatory as the high-tech software industry seems to be, they never seem to get easy things quite right, do they? Glitches abound. I specifically clicked on the REPLY link directly under your comment.

      They should lighten up on their policy of not hiring smokers. There is a need for better concentration throughout the industry.

      • smokervoter says:

        The software industry needs more Frank Davis’s and fewer Bill Gates’s. Just look at the difference in their writing skills. Frank’s thoughts make good sense and are unfailingly comprehensible. Gates, operating with his obvious distracting handicap of Tobacco Avoidance Disorder, can’t seem to produce a Windows HELP document that’s any help at all to its readers.

        And speaking of writing skills, what is the plural of Davis or Gates – is it Davis’s or Davis’ ? Inquiring minds want to know.

        I will now attempt to place this comment directly under my comment @ 4:24 PM. Let’s see what happens. Inquiring minds want to know.

      • I just wanna keep up with me back in the day before the new dark ages began! For this is why we fight to enlighten the world and bring about the rennasainse again……..

  10. Frank you and other Brits may want to run over and comment on this UKIP guy running for office!

    Election 2012: Dewsbury East candidate statements
    Published on Wednesday 25 April 2012 15:06

    THE following candidates are standing for election in the Dewsbury East ward:


    UK Independence Party

    I am 52 and a self-employed engineer. I have worked in manufacturing most of my life. I entered politics in 2009 after being involved since 2006 in fighting the smoking ban legislation, after having researched and found this legislation was for social engineering purposes and had no significant health benefits. I am also fighting impending legislation (social engineering) on alcohol and food as these profoundly affect our civil liberties.

    I joined UKIP as they are a straight-talking, honest party and we are now becoming a major force in British politics.

    I will not promise you anything, as you have heard many promises before. There has been a steady decline in Dewsbury (East). I will do my best to try and reverse this trend and also do my best to find a way of bringing some prosperity and employment back to Dewsbury. I will also do what I can to make sure we get value for money from all our public services and receive a fair share of funding from Kirklees, should I get voted in.


    Please note the CONSERVATIVE and the LIB DEM are carbon copies in their campaign promices!

    harleyrider1978 says:
    April 25, 2012 at 4:13 pm
    UK Slides Back Into Recession in First Double Dip Since 1970s

    Britain’s economy slid into its second recession since the financial crisis after official data unexpectedly showed a fall in output in the first three months of 2012, piling pressure on Prime Minister David Cameron’s embattled coalition government.

    Looks like UKIP has everything going for them now!

    • Frank Davis says:

      Interesting that he puts his opposition to the smoking ban right at the centre.of his pitch.

      • The anti-prohibition party Id say! Life Liberty pursuit of happiness all that stuff…..The guy sounds like a real patriot for freedom. Something the other guys dont have except more governent oppression after you read their mein kampf promises.

        • smokervoter says:

          Kind of makes you wish we had a UKIP over here. I like the thought of a party called USIP, with the built-in antiprohibitionist implication.

          I’m dredging up an old recollection here but a couple of years ago, when I first got wind of the UKIP via Tea and Cigarettes, I ended up on a wild goose chase to see if the UKIP was affiliated with our own AIP (American Independent Party).

          There are several incarnations of the party. I recall that one of them had the equivalent of an online party manifesto. Much like the UKIP, the AIP was concerned mainly with sovereignty issues, specifically keeping the United States out of the UN. This I’ll never forget: they had a page on their drug and tobacco stance and they wanted a strictly hands-off policy. They wanted all sin taxes repealed as regressive and unfair in nature.

          I was duly impressed. However, there was no specific affiliation with the UKIP. The page has subsequently vanished from the web.

  11. Rose says:

    “The great climate science centres around the world are more than well aware how weak their science is.
    If you talk to them privately they’re scared stiff of the fact that they don’t really know what the clouds and the aerosols are doing. They could be absolutely running the show. We haven’t got the physics worked out yet.”

    I’ll bet they are scared stiff, and they have good reason to be.

    Ecological Integrity – Post-Normal Science – “Ecological Footprint” – Ethics – The Precautionary Principle – 1997

    ” Present laws and regulations even in democratic countries are not sufficient to prevent the grave environmental threats we face. Further, even environmental ethics, when they remain anthropocentric cannot propose a better approach.
    I argue that, taking in considerations the precautionary principle, and adopting the perspective of post-normal science, the ethics of integrity suggest a better way to reduce ecological threats and promote the human good globally”

    “In order to protect the environment, the precautionary approach shall be widely practiced by the States according to their capabilities.
    Where there are threats of serious or irreversible damage, lack of full scientific uncertainty shall not be used as a reason for postponing cost effective measures to prevent environmental damage.

    This principle clearly indicates that, because of the gravity and the urgency of the many environmental problems and crises that face us, it is sufficient to be aware of the threats, even before the scientific certainty might be available,to indicate priority action on the part of policymakers.

    This principle is introduced as an agent of change in order to counter the arguments of those who would appeal to scientific uncertainty, or to disagreements among experts, as a delaying tactic and as a reason to postpone action.”

    Post-Normal Science – 2008
    “The traditional distinction between ‘hard’, objective scientific facts and ‘soft’, subjective value-judgements is now inverted.

    “All too often, we must make hard policy decisions where our only scientific inputs are irremediably soft.
    The requirement for the “sound science” that is frequently invoked as necessary for rational policy decisions may affectively conceal value-loadings that determine research conclusions and policy recommendations.
    In these new circumstances, invoking ‘truth’ as the goal of science is a distraction, or even a diversion from real tasks. A more relevant and robust guiding principle is quality, understood as a contextual property of scientific information.”

    “But it was also Hulme who made the really remarkable admission in 2007 that AGW theory could not be supported by the ‘normal’ rules of scientific inquiry. He wrote:

    “The danger of a ‘normal’ reading of science is that it assumes science can first find truth, then speak truth to power, and that truth-based policy will then follow… Self-evidently dangerous climate change will not emerge from a normal scientific process of truth-seeking, although science will gain some insights into the question if it recognises the socially contingent dimensions of a post-normal science.

    Global warming, he claimed, was an example of ‘post-normal science’ which did not seek to establish the truth through evidence. Instead, truth had to be traded for influence. In areas of uncertainty, scientists had to present their beliefs instead as a basis for policy.

    It was an admission that, in the name of science, scientific reason had been junked altogether to promote mere ideological conviction. ”

    Remember this?

    A bedtime story about drowning kittens and puppies… Labour’s £6m campaign to highlight the dangers of climate change – 2009

    “The ad, being broadcast at prime-time as part of a £6million campaign, shows a father telling his daughter a story about climate change destroying the world.
    Cartoon images appear on screen: A puppy drowns in floods, a kitten floats by on an upturned table and a rabbit weeps as drought sweeps the earth.
    The father tells his daughter that scientists say the ‘strange weather’ is being caused ‘by too much CO2, which went up into the sky when the grown ups used too much energy’.
    He tells her that if ‘grown-ups’ turned off things such as lightbulbs ‘maybe they could save the land for the little children’. The child looks up at her father and asks: ‘Is there a happy ending?’

    A female voice-over then says: ‘It’s up to us how it ends. See what you can do.’ The Department of Energy and Climate Change launched the commercial as part of its Act on CO2 campaign”

    “Gordon Brown warned of a ‘catastrophe’ for the planet if action to tackle climate change is not agreed at forthcoming UN talks on global warming.

    The Prime Minister told representatives from 17 leading countries: ‘Once the damage from unchecked emissions growth is done, no retrospective global agreement in some future period can undo that choice.
    ‘By then it will be irretrievably too late. So we should never allow ourselves to lose sight of the catastrophe we face if present warming trends continue.’–Labours-6m-campaign-highlight-dangers-climate-change.html

  12. Roosevelt to hitler,we are going to drop a nuke on you if you dont surrender now……………….I got one

    Hitler Im going to drop a nuke on you if you dont surrender now………….He thinks I might have one

    Greenie weenie to world Im going to nuke you with global warming………

    err well with a precautionary strike anyhow………..

    Either way you will surrender to me……..

    Its the law you know……..

  13. Frank Davis says:

    OT, this from the Telegraph:

    The headlines tomorrow will be full of Hunt and Murdoch and double-dips. But there’s another story that might, in the long term, be even more important.

    Today, the Hansard Society published its annual Audit of Political Engagement. It showed that public interest in – and faith in – politics has essentially collapsed.

    Well, I can certainly say that my faith in British democracy has collapsed. And my interest all the politicians who ignore me has dwindled away. I’ve got time for the likes of Nigel Farage, but very few of the rest. They can all go to hell.

    And I rather think that a great many of them will be in the quite near future,

    • I totally agree,I use to be a died in the wool REPUBLICAN/CONSERVATIVE/LIBERTARIAN today with Romney/obama running I could care less……..There isnt a lesser of 2 evils there, both rammed socialist healthcare down our throats. Romneycare was the birth mother of Owebamacare!

  14. garyk30 says:

    The Earth is getting tooooo hot!!!!!!

    Just for fun, ask one of the greenies what is the average temperature of the Earth and what is the optimal temperature it should be.

    I suppose that it is sick to enjoy watching greenies squirm in their ignorance; but, it is SOOOO MUCH FUN!!!!!!

  15. John Lydon Calls For Smoking Ban Review

    Rocker John Lydon is urging British Prime Minister David Cameron to overturn the U.K.’s smoking ban, insisting it’s a “ludicrous” law.

    Legislation prohibiting tobacco smoking in public buildings was introduced in 2007, but the punk icon has never been a fan of the law and now he’s suggesting citizens should to be given the option of going to venues where they are allowed to light up.

    The Sex Pistols star tells Nme, “It’s ridiculous you’re forcing people out onto the streets. Save the health of non-smokers within? Then have smoking-environment pubs! Give people the choice.

    “It looks ludicrous, so many people stuck out in the rain and snow. And I resent the rigid, right-wing approach that smoking’s bad. Well of course it’s bad! You’ll find everything you eat is bad. Alcohol is bad. I don’t like any law that infringes on your civil rights.”

  16. mikef317 says:

    Totally off topic. Just the latest from New York City.

    Comments are approaching 400 (most of which I haven’t read because they look like drivel).

    • Mike as soon as I got on that site it started flashing on my creen and blinking like the nazis were trying to hack me or knock me offline. Can you check and see if you get the same thing,its happened before to me on sites that had a facebook connection! Am I being targetted I sure hope so!

  17. smokervoter says:

    Just in case anyone was curious, here is a photo detailing Mr. Corr’s ‘looniness’.

    To wit, Mr. Corr exhibits a tragically misaligned ocular axis in which his left eye is positioned approximately 0.65 cm north of the horizontal plane of his right eye. Additionally, his left eye also appears to be 0.65 cm larger. It gives him the appearance of winking to his fellow respectable public health advocates as if to say surreptitiously “It’s not the smokers we hate, it’s the tobacco companies we hate.”

    William “Bill” V. Corr

  18. mikef317 says:

    Harleyrider at 12:42 AM:

    I wouldn’t link to a site if I thought it was unreliable. I’ve been visiting Slate for years and have never had a problem. It’s owned by The Washington Post so it should be as safe as any major news source.

    My McAfee site advisor gives the site a clean bill of health. (Maybe because it doesn’t smoke?)

    I’m not on Facebook. Could that be the problem? Slate does have a good number of links to it.

    Could the large number of comments effect the sites? I don’t know. Comments open fine for me.

    All I can say is that I’ve never had a problem.

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