Climategate2: FOIA Strikes Again

This is going to be huge.

Two years ago, FOIA left a link to what came to be known as the Climategate files on the Air Vent blog. There had always been a suggestion that there was a lot more to come, but nothing more was heard about it until 9:28 am today, when FOIA left another brief message, this time on Tall Bloke’s blog.

From what I’ve read of it, the new email dump dates from similar time periods as the original. They look much like the original emails, with the same cast of characters. A few sample extracts:

1. Observations do not show rising temperatures throughout the tropical troposphere unless you accept one single study and approach and discount a wealth of others. This is just downright dangerous. We need to communicate the uncertainty and be honest.

2. I also think the science is being manipulated to put a political spin on it which for all our sakes might not be too clever in the long run.

3. the important thing is to make sure they’re loosing the PR battle. That’s what
the site [Real Climate] is about.

4. Having established scale and urgency, the political challenge is then to turn
this from an argument about the cost of cutting emissions – bad politics – to
one about the value of a stable climate – much better politics. […] the most
valuable thing to do is to tell the story about abrupt change as vividly as

5. But it will be very difficult to make the MWP go away in Greenland.

The internet is all over the new release, of course. Jeff Id on the Air Vent, James Delingpole in the Telegraph, Anthony Watts on Watts Up With That, Steve McIntyre at Climate Audit, Lubos MotlBishop Hill, and more.

Back in November 2009, it took a week or so for the MSM to start to respond to the revelations. I wonder how long it’s going to take them to respond to this new bunch of emails? No sign of any mention on the BBC as yet. Or Real Climate.

The last batch of emails did the AGW alarmist cause an enormous amount of damage, and was probably the principal trigger for the subsequent decline in public belief in global warming. The latest batch looks set to be just about as damaging.

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14 Responses to Climategate2: FOIA Strikes Again

  1. The concern about political spin and the PR battle reminded me of Simon Chapman’s letter about the Australian attack on “passive smoking” back in 1995:

    Note: “‘I am DEEPLY concerned about the implications for the credibility of our whole report arising from the calculations.… If we look at Table 7 in the way any journalist would … a reasonable conclusion will be that the idea that there is ANY lung cancer caused by ETS (environmental tobacco smoke) in Australia will be seen as a huge joke. Journalists … will be hard pressed to write anything other than ‘Official: passive smoking cleared—no lung cancer’ … I think we had better get out a thesaurus and find a lot of words to express the words ‘conservative estimate’ in hundreds of different ways…. We are looking down the barrel of a MAJOR public relations problem …”

    You can read more about it, and perhaps also consider the similarities between the attack on Professor Lee and the current attacks on people like Professor James Enstrom, at:

    – MJM

  2. Lou says:

    It’s on the Red Button BBC

  3. Gary K. says:

    Hopefully, this will lead to more than just another ‘whitewash’!!!

  4. Gary K. says:

    About damn time, I doubt that the Earth knows that mankind exists!

    The general opinion seems to be that the mass of the earth is about 6 septillion (6,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000) kilograms, which is equivalent to 1.32 times 10^25 pounds avoirdupois (13,200,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 lb).

    Elevators are set for a safe average weight of 155 pounds per person.

    6 billion people x 155 lbs. per person = 930 billion lbs. as the total weight of humanity.

    Earth = 13,200,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 lbs.

    Mankind = 930,000,000,000 lbs.

    All of mankind weights 1/14 trillionth as much as the Earth.

    1 lb of mankind per 14,000,000,000,000 lbs of Earth.

    That is the same as 1 inch compared to 220,960,000 miles(221 million).

    Mankind makes about as much difference to the Earth as would microbes on the roof of a house impact that house!!

    • Somewhere out there there’s a science fiction story that postulates intelligence based in suns. Not things living ON the suns, but intelligence in the suns themselves. The suns communicate with each other at FTL speeds through some obscure form of “paired gravity waves” or somesuch, and in the story at some point one of the suns somehow becomes aware that there are actually intelligent “microbes” living on the layer of scum that covers the surface of one of its orbiting planets! I.E. people!

      Anyone know where that story comes from?

      – MJM

  5. harleyrider1978 says:

    Gary it was said in 1984 or there abouts after Mt St helens blew up that it produced 1000 times more pollution than all of mankind in his time on earth! It only took 2 months or so and it was all cleaned up.

  6. harleyrider1978 says:

    BMA 23 times Junk science this week with retraction now this,I think Im gonna sleep well tonite!

    • Brigitte says:

      Harleyrider, the BBC issued this

      The BMA issued a correction on Thursday retracting the claim that research showed the levels of toxins in a car can be up to 23 times higher than in a smoky bar. Instead it said the risk in a car was 11 times greater. A spokeswoman said the mistake was due to human error, and it had made the amendment after becoming aware there was other research that disputed their original figure.


      The BMA’s correction reads:

      Please note, there is an error in the BMA briefing paper: Smoking in vehicles. On page 4, in the 3rd paragraph, the following sentence is incorrect:

      “Further studies demonstrate that the concentration of toxins in a smoke-filled vehicle is 23 times greater than that of a smoky bar, even under realistic ventilation conditions”. a, 17, 18, 19

      THIS SENTENCE HAS BEEN REPLACED WITH: “Further studies demonstrate that the concentration of toxins in a smoke-filled vehicle could be up to 11 times greater than that of a smoky bar”. a, 17, 18, 19

      We apologise for this error.”

      Interesting, isn’t it?

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