Clegg’s Stash of Cigarettes

Poor old Nick Clegg. Everybody is kicking him for saying he smokes, and for asking for "a stash of cigarettes" to take to his desert island. (H/T to TBY, you can hear his recording of Desert Island Discs here) The antismoking brigade were in quick:

Deborah Arnott, chief executive of ASH said, ‘We recognise that being Deputy Prime Minister is a very stressful job, but we would be concerned if he is making light of smoking."

‘If he really can’t commit to giving up smoking, he could at least make a commitment to stopping future generations from taking it up by backing long-awaited legislation on the promotion of tobacco.’

But, for the opposite reason, so was Leg-iron:

The two-faced, spite-driven, vicious and evil bastard. It’s at times like this I wish I wrote like Obo. I can’t use the words to describe this man because they haven’t been invented yet. Not even the most base Anglo-Saxon swearing can cover it. Maybe Italian but you’d need the hand gestures too.

And in the Guardian (H/T to DP), Nicholas Lezard..

To admit to being a smoker is to admit to being weak, to being in thrall to an addiction (albeit not a glamorous one), to not knowing what is best for one. And, worst of all, for not doing as the majority tell you to do. There is no excuse for smoking, not really – you can manage without it – and so it enrages people all the more when someone admits to it.

‘Admit’ to being a smoker? Why should it be an admission? Not glamorous? Oh yes it is. Not knowing what’s best for one? If I think I need a cigarette, that’s what I need.  No excuse for smoking because I can manage without it? I can manage without going to pubs, watching TV or listening to the radio, and reading books. Does that mean there’s no excuse for that either?

But then Lezard continues:

…there will always be a group of smokers who do so not only because it can relax one wonderfully (think of all the soldiers who smoke) but precisely because it enrages an enormous number of busybodies.

And so maybe there is something shrewd about Clegg’s confession. It looks as though he’s not reading from the script, but maybe he’s smartly aligning himself with the disaffected. There is something endearing about politicians who smoke: it shows they are human, and as such subject to human failings….
 

And that gets nearer to my response to Clegg, which is that I’m glad he’s still smoking, and is prepared to quite candidly say so on radio, and ask for a stash of cigarettes to take with him to his desert island (Kirsty Young helpfully provided the matches).

It raises the question, of course, why he said a few months ago that it would be no more likely that the smoking ban would be lifted than that capital punishment would be re-introduced. Can’t he see the sheer hypocrisy of that?

But perhaps he can see it perfectly well. It would, after all, be hard not to spot. So perhaps what he was saying was that, in the current climate of antismoking hysteria, there was no possibility of amending the ban, whether he wanted to amend it or not. The baying antismoking hordes were simply too powerful. They were on a roll. The political will simply wasn’t there.
 

But perhaps that just reflects my underlying optimism. For I think that the smoking ban is such an obscene law that it’s bound to be amended or repealed one day. Sooner or later, when the antismokers  lose the initiative (which they’re bound to sooner or later, and maybe already have), more and more people will start to wake up to what a socially divisive and futile and ineffective and mendacious piece of legislation this was.  And also just  what a vile bunch of people most of these antismokers really are.

I just wonder, at the end of the day, how colossal the social damage will prove to be.

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Jay in the comments has said he/she has been getting full page ads when he tries to read comments, and can’t skip the ad. I’ve seen them once or twice. I tried it out, and got a greyed out page, but could skip the thing by clicking on a cross on the page.

I’ve complained to Livejournal about this. They already run ads in the margin, over which I have no control. Now they’ve taken to putting up whole page ads which some readers can’t get past. And that’ll certainly drive readers away. I’ve asked them to stop doing it. If they don’t stop, I’ve said I’ll quit Livejournal.

This isn’t an idle threat. I have a paid-for website these days, with several blog options (e.g. WordPress) available to install if I want to.

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69 Responses to Clegg’s Stash of Cigarettes

  1. Anonymous says:

    Clegg and Desert Island Discs
    I’ve recorded Clegg and have a link to it. Found the whole chat with Kirsty very intersting and an insight to the mans way of thinking, whether you are against smoking or not and thought your readers might like to listen to it too.

    TBY
    BTW, more anti smoking hysteria which costs the taxpayer:
    Bus stop move to stop smokers taking shelter http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/news/Bus-stop-stop-smokers-taking-shelter/article-2798410-detail/article.html

  2. Anonymous says:

    Clegg and Desert Island Discs
    I’ve recorded Clegg and have a link to it. Found the whole chat with Kirsty very intersting and an insight to the mans way of thinking, whether you are against smoking or not and thought your readers might like to listen to it too.

    TBY
    BTW, more anti smoking hysteria which costs the taxpayer:
    Bus stop move to stop smokers taking shelter http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/news/Bus-stop-stop-smokers-taking-shelter/article-2798410-detail/article.html

  3. Anonymous says:

    Clegg and Desert Island Discs
    I’ve recorded Clegg and have a link to it. Found the whole chat with Kirsty very intersting and an insight to the mans way of thinking, whether you are against smoking or not and thought your readers might like to listen to it too.

    TBY
    BTW, more anti smoking hysteria which costs the taxpayer:
    Bus stop move to stop smokers taking shelter http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/news/Bus-stop-stop-smokers-taking-shelter/article-2798410-detail/article.html

  4. Clegg and smoking ban
    Clegg explains why he can be a smoker AND still support the smoking ban in a video here, Frank.

  5. Clegg and smoking ban
    Clegg explains why he can be a smoker AND still support the smoking ban in a video here, Frank.

  6. Clegg and smoking ban
    Clegg explains why he can be a smoker AND still support the smoking ban in a video here, Frank.

  7. Anonymous says:

    Clegg is looking for new votes I expect. He’s lost a lot of his old voters, so smokers represent a new constituency for him, like people pissed off the the Iraq war did for Charlie Kennedy.

  8. Anonymous says:

    Clegg is looking for new votes I expect. He’s lost a lot of his old voters, so smokers represent a new constituency for him, like people pissed off the the Iraq war did for Charlie Kennedy.

  9. Anonymous says:

    Clegg is looking for new votes I expect. He’s lost a lot of his old voters, so smokers represent a new constituency for him, like people pissed off the the Iraq war did for Charlie Kennedy.

  10. Anonymous says:

    Mr Clegg wants votes?
    If Mr Clegg wants my vote then he had better start working for me and 12 million like me and not against us, get rid of this obscene legislation and I may consider him worthy of voting for! Until then or unless hell freezes over I would not give the thought the time of day.
    John Watson

  11. Anonymous says:

    Mr Clegg wants votes?
    If Mr Clegg wants my vote then he had better start working for me and 12 million like me and not against us, get rid of this obscene legislation and I may consider him worthy of voting for! Until then or unless hell freezes over I would not give the thought the time of day.
    John Watson

  12. Anonymous says:

    Mr Clegg wants votes?
    If Mr Clegg wants my vote then he had better start working for me and 12 million like me and not against us, get rid of this obscene legislation and I may consider him worthy of voting for! Until then or unless hell freezes over I would not give the thought the time of day.
    John Watson

  13. Anonymous says:

    Charles Kennedy gave me a fascinating insight.
    Charles Kennedy flouts smoking ban on train
    “Charles Kennedy, the former Liberal Democrat leader, has become the first high profile figure to fall foul of the ban on smoking in England after he was caught puffing on a cigarette during a train journey.
    Mr Kennedy was discovered leaning out of the window to exhale smoke during a journey from Plymouth to Paddington this morning, apparently believing that by doing so he would not contravene the no-smoking law that took effect last weekend.
    Police were eventually called after Mr Kennedy, in true liberal fashion, refused to stop smoking from his vantage point at the window, despite having been advised by train staff that a no smoking rule was in operation.”
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article2039675.ece
    Do they really read the measure that they are voting for?
    Are they able to visualise the possible ramifications of such an Act?
    I suspect that at least some of them simply can’t forsee the consequences of their actions and allow themselves to be led.
    The rest of that article seems to be a catalogue of self loathing and I strongly suspect that he mostly voted for the ban to put restraints on himself.
    OK , IF you believe in the threats of death and destruction, harm and damage.
    WHY ARE YOU STILL SMOKING?
    Why did you take it up in the first place?
    Are you some kind of idiot?
    I took up smoking because I never believed, and after being told blatant lies, had to find out what they were hiding, and I have.
    Do or do not – there is no try.
    And don’t entangle me in your struggles.
    Rose

  14. Anonymous says:

    Charles Kennedy gave me a fascinating insight.
    Charles Kennedy flouts smoking ban on train
    “Charles Kennedy, the former Liberal Democrat leader, has become the first high profile figure to fall foul of the ban on smoking in England after he was caught puffing on a cigarette during a train journey.
    Mr Kennedy was discovered leaning out of the window to exhale smoke during a journey from Plymouth to Paddington this morning, apparently believing that by doing so he would not contravene the no-smoking law that took effect last weekend.
    Police were eventually called after Mr Kennedy, in true liberal fashion, refused to stop smoking from his vantage point at the window, despite having been advised by train staff that a no smoking rule was in operation.”
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article2039675.ece
    Do they really read the measure that they are voting for?
    Are they able to visualise the possible ramifications of such an Act?
    I suspect that at least some of them simply can’t forsee the consequences of their actions and allow themselves to be led.
    The rest of that article seems to be a catalogue of self loathing and I strongly suspect that he mostly voted for the ban to put restraints on himself.
    OK , IF you believe in the threats of death and destruction, harm and damage.
    WHY ARE YOU STILL SMOKING?
    Why did you take it up in the first place?
    Are you some kind of idiot?
    I took up smoking because I never believed, and after being told blatant lies, had to find out what they were hiding, and I have.
    Do or do not – there is no try.
    And don’t entangle me in your struggles.
    Rose

  15. Anonymous says:

    Charles Kennedy gave me a fascinating insight.
    Charles Kennedy flouts smoking ban on train
    “Charles Kennedy, the former Liberal Democrat leader, has become the first high profile figure to fall foul of the ban on smoking in England after he was caught puffing on a cigarette during a train journey.
    Mr Kennedy was discovered leaning out of the window to exhale smoke during a journey from Plymouth to Paddington this morning, apparently believing that by doing so he would not contravene the no-smoking law that took effect last weekend.
    Police were eventually called after Mr Kennedy, in true liberal fashion, refused to stop smoking from his vantage point at the window, despite having been advised by train staff that a no smoking rule was in operation.”
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article2039675.ece
    Do they really read the measure that they are voting for?
    Are they able to visualise the possible ramifications of such an Act?
    I suspect that at least some of them simply can’t forsee the consequences of their actions and allow themselves to be led.
    The rest of that article seems to be a catalogue of self loathing and I strongly suspect that he mostly voted for the ban to put restraints on himself.
    OK , IF you believe in the threats of death and destruction, harm and damage.
    WHY ARE YOU STILL SMOKING?
    Why did you take it up in the first place?
    Are you some kind of idiot?
    I took up smoking because I never believed, and after being told blatant lies, had to find out what they were hiding, and I have.
    Do or do not – there is no try.
    And don’t entangle me in your struggles.
    Rose

  16. Frank Davis says:

    Re: Clegg and smoking ban
    Thanks for that, Dick. I’d not seen it before.
    What he said was that smoking harmed people other than the smoker. His liberal principles were that you allowed people to do what they liked so long as it didn’t harm other people. And smoking was a case where it did. Asked about cannabis he said, “We’d be guided by the science.”
    Which would be reasonable enough, except that the science – the many studies of passive smoking – mostly says that there’s no significant risk from passive smoking. So he’s not being guided by the science on passive smoking. He’s being guided by a particular interpretation of that science by senior (antismoking) doctors.
    And, anyway, is it right to be “guided by science”? Doing that means handing over decision-making responsibility to unelected experts. It means letting somebody else take the decision than the person who was elected to do so. It’s shuffling responsibility off onto somebody else.
    Dunno if the video will appear below, but I’ll try to reproduce it.

    I didn’t really understand Caron’s Musings. He/she has a pretty aggressive headline, but the rest of the piece seems to be all just arselicking.
    Frank

  17. Frank Davis says:

    Re: Clegg and smoking ban
    Thanks for that, Dick. I’d not seen it before.
    What he said was that smoking harmed people other than the smoker. His liberal principles were that you allowed people to do what they liked so long as it didn’t harm other people. And smoking was a case where it did. Asked about cannabis he said, “We’d be guided by the science.”
    Which would be reasonable enough, except that the science – the many studies of passive smoking – mostly says that there’s no significant risk from passive smoking. So he’s not being guided by the science on passive smoking. He’s being guided by a particular interpretation of that science by senior (antismoking) doctors.
    And, anyway, is it right to be “guided by science”? Doing that means handing over decision-making responsibility to unelected experts. It means letting somebody else take the decision than the person who was elected to do so. It’s shuffling responsibility off onto somebody else.
    Dunno if the video will appear below, but I’ll try to reproduce it.

    I didn’t really understand Caron’s Musings. He/she has a pretty aggressive headline, but the rest of the piece seems to be all just arselicking.
    Frank

  18. Frank Davis says:

    Re: Clegg and smoking ban
    Thanks for that, Dick. I’d not seen it before.
    What he said was that smoking harmed people other than the smoker. His liberal principles were that you allowed people to do what they liked so long as it didn’t harm other people. And smoking was a case where it did. Asked about cannabis he said, “We’d be guided by the science.”
    Which would be reasonable enough, except that the science – the many studies of passive smoking – mostly says that there’s no significant risk from passive smoking. So he’s not being guided by the science on passive smoking. He’s being guided by a particular interpretation of that science by senior (antismoking) doctors.
    And, anyway, is it right to be “guided by science”? Doing that means handing over decision-making responsibility to unelected experts. It means letting somebody else take the decision than the person who was elected to do so. It’s shuffling responsibility off onto somebody else.
    Dunno if the video will appear below, but I’ll try to reproduce it.

    I didn’t really understand Caron’s Musings. He/she has a pretty aggressive headline, but the rest of the piece seems to be all just arselicking.
    Frank

  19. Frank Davis says:

    Re: Clegg and Desert Island Discs
    Thanks for that, TBY. I’ve added your link into the piece above.
    Frank

  20. Frank Davis says:

    Re: Clegg and Desert Island Discs
    Thanks for that, TBY. I’ve added your link into the piece above.
    Frank

  21. Frank Davis says:

    Re: Clegg and Desert Island Discs
    Thanks for that, TBY. I’ve added your link into the piece above.
    Frank

  22. Frank Davis says:

    Re: Mr Clegg wants votes?
    That’s my view too. And I used to vote Lib Dem.
    Frank

  23. Frank Davis says:

    Re: Mr Clegg wants votes?
    That’s my view too. And I used to vote Lib Dem.
    Frank

  24. Frank Davis says:

    Re: Mr Clegg wants votes?
    That’s my view too. And I used to vote Lib Dem.
    Frank

  25. Frank Davis says:

    I suspect that at least some of them simply can’t forsee the consequences of their actions and allow themselves to be led.
    That’s exactly what Clegg says in the video DP points out above. Clegg says “We’d be guided by science”. And that means allowing himself to be led.
    IF you believe in the threats of death and destruction, harm and damage. WHY ARE YOU STILL SMOKING?
    There’s at least some sort of hypocrisy involved here. The science, it seems, is for the guidance of other people, but not for him personally.
    Frank

  26. Frank Davis says:

    I suspect that at least some of them simply can’t forsee the consequences of their actions and allow themselves to be led.
    That’s exactly what Clegg says in the video DP points out above. Clegg says “We’d be guided by science”. And that means allowing himself to be led.
    IF you believe in the threats of death and destruction, harm and damage. WHY ARE YOU STILL SMOKING?
    There’s at least some sort of hypocrisy involved here. The science, it seems, is for the guidance of other people, but not for him personally.
    Frank

  27. Frank Davis says:

    I suspect that at least some of them simply can’t forsee the consequences of their actions and allow themselves to be led.
    That’s exactly what Clegg says in the video DP points out above. Clegg says “We’d be guided by science”. And that means allowing himself to be led.
    IF you believe in the threats of death and destruction, harm and damage. WHY ARE YOU STILL SMOKING?
    There’s at least some sort of hypocrisy involved here. The science, it seems, is for the guidance of other people, but not for him personally.
    Frank

  28. Anonymous says:

    OT
    Well that’s torn it.
    Rose’s Garden is no more.
    Forces.org
    NOTICE: This domain name expired on 10/25/2010 and is pending renewal or deletion
    Now I’m running on memory.
    Rose

  29. Anonymous says:

    OT
    Well that’s torn it.
    Rose’s Garden is no more.
    Forces.org
    NOTICE: This domain name expired on 10/25/2010 and is pending renewal or deletion
    Now I’m running on memory.
    Rose

  30. Anonymous says:

    OT
    Well that’s torn it.
    Rose’s Garden is no more.
    Forces.org
    NOTICE: This domain name expired on 10/25/2010 and is pending renewal or deletion
    Now I’m running on memory.
    Rose

  31. Frank Davis says:

    Re: Nick Clegg and smoking
    That link is already in the first paragraph.
    Frank

  32. Frank Davis says:

    Re: Nick Clegg and smoking
    That link is already in the first paragraph.
    Frank

  33. Frank Davis says:

    Re: Nick Clegg and smoking
    That link is already in the first paragraph.
    Frank

  34. Anonymous says:

    It’s back!
    I wonder what happened?
    Rose

  35. Anonymous says:

    It’s back!
    I wonder what happened?
    Rose

  36. Anonymous says:

    It’s back!
    I wonder what happened?
    Rose

  37. Frank Davis says:

    I saw your earlier post, and took a look, and the garden was still there. But I was alarmed enough to continue converting its pages to pdf where I left off a week or three back.
    Frank

  38. Frank Davis says:

    I saw your earlier post, and took a look, and the garden was still there. But I was alarmed enough to continue converting its pages to pdf where I left off a week or three back.
    Frank

  39. Frank Davis says:

    I saw your earlier post, and took a look, and the garden was still there. But I was alarmed enough to continue converting its pages to pdf where I left off a week or three back.
    Frank

  40. Anonymous says:

    Oops, sorry Frank.

  41. Anonymous says:

    Oops, sorry Frank.

  42. Anonymous says:

    Oops, sorry Frank.

  43. Anonymous says:

    Thank you so much Frank!
    When I looked this morning there was just a page – Go Daddy, and the notice I copied earlier.
    I thought its time was up.
    Incase it happens again, if anyone wants anything I suggest that they grab it.
    Rose

  44. Anonymous says:

    Thank you so much Frank!
    When I looked this morning there was just a page – Go Daddy, and the notice I copied earlier.
    I thought its time was up.
    Incase it happens again, if anyone wants anything I suggest that they grab it.
    Rose

  45. Anonymous says:

    Thank you so much Frank!
    When I looked this morning there was just a page – Go Daddy, and the notice I copied earlier.
    I thought its time was up.
    Incase it happens again, if anyone wants anything I suggest that they grab it.
    Rose

  46. Frank Davis says:

    I’ve just spent 3 hours or so converting pages to pdf. I’ve got more or less everything from the top of the index page down to ‘nitrosamines’, which is about hald of the whole garden.
    I wanted to use the pdf converter that Fredrik suggested, because it was quicker to use, but it turned out not to copy the links. So I went back to using http://www.htm2pdf.co.uk, which is slower but seems to produce a pdf with the links working, and which looks just like the original page.
    Unfortunately, the online service stopped working at 9pm. So I’ll have to finish the rest another time.
    Frank

  47. Frank Davis says:

    I’ve just spent 3 hours or so converting pages to pdf. I’ve got more or less everything from the top of the index page down to ‘nitrosamines’, which is about hald of the whole garden.
    I wanted to use the pdf converter that Fredrik suggested, because it was quicker to use, but it turned out not to copy the links. So I went back to using http://www.htm2pdf.co.uk, which is slower but seems to produce a pdf with the links working, and which looks just like the original page.
    Unfortunately, the online service stopped working at 9pm. So I’ll have to finish the rest another time.
    Frank

  48. Frank Davis says:

    I’ve just spent 3 hours or so converting pages to pdf. I’ve got more or less everything from the top of the index page down to ‘nitrosamines’, which is about hald of the whole garden.
    I wanted to use the pdf converter that Fredrik suggested, because it was quicker to use, but it turned out not to copy the links. So I went back to using http://www.htm2pdf.co.uk, which is slower but seems to produce a pdf with the links working, and which looks just like the original page.
    Unfortunately, the online service stopped working at 9pm. So I’ll have to finish the rest another time.
    Frank

  49. Anonymous says:

    Frank
    Very, very grateful.
    Rose

  50. Anonymous says:

    Frank
    Very, very grateful.
    Rose

  51. Anonymous says:

    Frank
    Very, very grateful.
    Rose

  52. Anonymous says:

    New healthist – smoking post up
    Hello, Frank and fellow readers
    New smoking post up on my blog:
    http://churchmousec.wordpress.com/2010/10/26/state-interest-in-health-really-means-authoritianism/
    Re Clegg — maybe it’s cognitive dissonance? Who knows. Good observations, Frank, as ever.
    Enjoy the rest of your evening
    Churchmouse

  53. Anonymous says:

    New healthist – smoking post up
    Hello, Frank and fellow readers
    New smoking post up on my blog:
    http://churchmousec.wordpress.com/2010/10/26/state-interest-in-health-really-means-authoritianism/
    Re Clegg — maybe it’s cognitive dissonance? Who knows. Good observations, Frank, as ever.
    Enjoy the rest of your evening
    Churchmouse

  54. Anonymous says:

    New healthist – smoking post up
    Hello, Frank and fellow readers
    New smoking post up on my blog:
    http://churchmousec.wordpress.com/2010/10/26/state-interest-in-health-really-means-authoritianism/
    Re Clegg — maybe it’s cognitive dissonance? Who knows. Good observations, Frank, as ever.
    Enjoy the rest of your evening
    Churchmouse

  55. Frank Davis says:

    And I’ve now saved the remainder as HTML pages.
    So I now have the complete garden. Half in PDF files, and half in HTML files.
    So if the garden does vanish, it will be possible to reproduce it.
    Frank

  56. Frank Davis says:

    And I’ve now saved the remainder as HTML pages.
    So I now have the complete garden. Half in PDF files, and half in HTML files.
    So if the garden does vanish, it will be possible to reproduce it.
    Frank

  57. Frank Davis says:

    And I’ve now saved the remainder as HTML pages.
    So I now have the complete garden. Half in PDF files, and half in HTML files.
    So if the garden does vanish, it will be possible to reproduce it.
    Frank

  58. Anonymous says:

    Frank
    Its a great relief to know that you have the Garden safe.
    I shall sleep a lot better tonight.
    It was a very strange feeling for a while, like partly losing my memory.
    Rose

  59. Anonymous says:

    Frank
    Its a great relief to know that you have the Garden safe.
    I shall sleep a lot better tonight.
    It was a very strange feeling for a while, like partly losing my memory.
    Rose

  60. Anonymous says:

    Frank
    Its a great relief to know that you have the Garden safe.
    I shall sleep a lot better tonight.
    It was a very strange feeling for a while, like partly losing my memory.
    Rose

  61. Frank Davis says:

    Well, we couldn’t lose the Garden, could we? ;-)
    And, just in case, I’ve saved everything I’ve copied onto a USB flash drive. So there are now 2 copies of it. And not just the one on on my hard disk.
    Sometime over the next few days I’ll create a web page which allows the new garden to be visited, but not edited. It’ll be a snapshot of the garden as it was today.
    Frank

  62. Frank Davis says:

    Well, we couldn’t lose the Garden, could we? ;-)
    And, just in case, I’ve saved everything I’ve copied onto a USB flash drive. So there are now 2 copies of it. And not just the one on on my hard disk.
    Sometime over the next few days I’ll create a web page which allows the new garden to be visited, but not edited. It’ll be a snapshot of the garden as it was today.
    Frank

  63. Frank Davis says:

    Well, we couldn’t lose the Garden, could we? ;-)
    And, just in case, I’ve saved everything I’ve copied onto a USB flash drive. So there are now 2 copies of it. And not just the one on on my hard disk.
    Sometime over the next few days I’ll create a web page which allows the new garden to be visited, but not edited. It’ll be a snapshot of the garden as it was today.
    Frank

  64. Anonymous says:

    Perfect
    The Garden has got so enormous that even I get overwhelmed trying to remember where everything is.
    Thank you so much.
    Rose

  65. Anonymous says:

    Perfect
    The Garden has got so enormous that even I get overwhelmed trying to remember where everything is.
    Thank you so much.
    Rose

  66. Anonymous says:

    Perfect
    The Garden has got so enormous that even I get overwhelmed trying to remember where everything is.
    Thank you so much.
    Rose

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