On Facebook Eddie Douthwaite asks: Are local councils up to their necks in Tobacco Control? Linked was a website called the Local Government Improvement and Development: Tobacco Control Programme. I started reading:
Reducing Health Inequalities through Tobacco Control programme,. Read about the practice development and innovations at the 25 councils we are working with.
So Tobacco Control is already working with 25 councils, eh? That means that council taxes are being used for Tobacco Control. Those councils are Swindon, Plymouth, Hastngs , Medway, Hertfordshire , Thurrock, Barking and Dagenham, Islington, Staffordshire, Stoke-on-Trent, Corby, Lincoln, Nottingham, Halton, Knowsley , Liverpool, Manchester , Salford, Kingston upon Hull , North East Lincolnshire, Gateshead, Hartlepool, Middlesbrough, South Tyneside, Sunderland.
The programme fits within the overarching Local Government Improvement and Development Healthy Communities support and draws on resources of the Local Government Association (LGA), Local Authorities Coordinators of Regulatory Services (LACORS) and the LG Improvement and Development
Is a high-tech surveillance vehicle the secret weapon that could win the battle against illegal ‘fag houses’ on deprived estates? Will a 20-a-day cigarette addict really be more likely to give up if encouraged by an ex-smoking neighbour?
What’s a ‘fag house’, and why are they illegal? They sound to me like smoky-drinky places. Ah, I see, a ‘fag house’ is where cigarettes are sold illegally from a private dwelling to children as young as five. We could do with a few of them round here.
No, smoking isn’t one of the biggest health problems in the country. And it doesn’t ‘demand’ any new or radical solutions either. And, by the way, when all those solutions don’t work, what will be the final solution, eh?
Middlesbrough council uses surveillance against its ratepayers? I see. I wonder if they know that?
Other local authorities have stamped their own local mark on national events like No Smoking Day (hyperlink here to ‘Giving national campaigns a local edge’ case studies theme). Several are engaging members of the community in tobacco control projects, recruiting them as smokefree advisors or asking them to get involved in researching smoking in their neighbourhoods.
Tobacco control to become “everybody’s business”, not just the Fat Controllers’. They’ll “engage” members of the community to “research” smoking in their neighbourhood. So there’ll soon be people peering through your windows to see if anyone’s smoking inside.
Just as important is the involvement of local charity and voluntary organisations link to not only might non-statutory agencies come up with fresh approaches to tobacco control, but they might be better placed to get the smokefree message out to hard to reach sections of the community.
Harnessing third sector help
Finally, in a bid to stop the younger generation picking up the smoking habit, there are a number of projects aimed directly at children and young people
So next Jehovah’s Witnesses will be pushing antismoking messages through your letterbox. And the local fete will have a Tobacco Control stand.
If you don’t go looking for them, via Quit Helplines, they’re going to come looking for you.
While useful knowledge will be shared by the 25 authorities as they progress their work and planned schemes come to fruition, the lessons to be learned so far are clear.
For those working in partnership, for example, it is vital that partners fully understand purpose of their involvement – they need to know what’s in it for their organisation.
For those carrying out enforcement work- under-age cigarette sales, for example – the officer’s role is very much that of a critical friend, educating shopkeepers about their responsibilities as well as warning about the penalties of illegal sales.
Work among the community, meanwhile, should be as accessible as possible – taking teams of quit advisers out on the streets rather than expecting smokers to always take the initiative and walk into formal sessions, for example. And health messages stand a better chance of being heard if delivered to local people by local people, using language that is easy to understand.
Language they can understand? What like, “I hope you die a slow death, you stinking smoker”? The language we hear on the internet every day. Yup, rather than us going to them (which, in my case, ain’t ever going to happen), there are going to be be “quit advisors” out on the streets hunting for us.
Connecting with your target audience will help ensure tobacco control projects are successful. As Kerry Mison, a health promotion officer leading a scheme for children in Thurrock (link to Thurrock case study) to design no-smoking signs, says: “By getting children to design our signs, it draws young people into the second hand smoking debate early on and gets them all thinking. If the message comes from them, their parents and relatives might be more open to listening.”
Yes, enlist the children to badger their elders. And no doubt report them as well. Straight out of the Hitlerjugend handbook.
It’s perfectly clear what’s being planned here. Now that the antismoking advertising blitz hasn’t worked, they’re going to actively go hunting for the last 20% of the population who still haven’t given up smoking. There are going to be teams of Quit Advisors collaring smokers, probably outside pubs. Now that smokers have been flushed out of their smoky lairs onto the streets, the new drive will be to follow them out there into the open, and isolate and surround them and hector and bully them there. It will be the smokers’ kesselschlacht. All done using children and neighbours and council employees as proxies, so you don’t get any actual blood on your hands. And all paid for with their own taxes too! Neat, eh?
Perhaps this explains the “Ciggy Busters”? Those schoolkids who went out on the streets snatching cigarettes from smokers’ mouths. It was a practice run. Soon they’ll be all over the country.
The document is dated May 2010, so it came out around about the time of the election. But it says it was last updated 19 August 2010 on the referring page. So it looks like it’s all under way.
But I read today on Freedom-2-Choose that:
So maybe it’s all on hold now. Or maybe it’s just that the money that went into mass media campaigns and the DoH is going to be redirected to the Quit Advisors on the streets. There’ll be no let up. The antismoking message won’t be brought to you via glossy radio or TV or newspaper ads anymore. I’ll be brought to you personally by some filthy little council shit who corners you in the road.
Anyone feel like burning down their local council?
Postcript: I was looking last night for this quote, which Rose has kindly provided in the comments:
“Astel was also a rabid anti-tobacco activist, who quickly made a name for himself on the Jena campus by snatching cigarettes from the mouths of smoking students.”
Karl Astel was director of the Wissenschaftliches Institut zur Erforschung der Tabakgefahren (or ‘Institute for the Struggle Against Tobacco Hazards’), established in 1941 at Jena University by a 100 000 Reichsmarks grant from Hitler. Astel committed suicide at the end of the war.
Frank Davis 
I’ve felt like burning down the local council for some time.
Preferably when they’re all inside. Except the smokers, who have to share the recycling bin area with the wasps.
I’ve felt like burning down the local council for some time.
Preferably when they’re all inside. Except the smokers, who have to share the recycling bin area with the wasps.
Preferably when they’re all inside.
And the outside doors are all padlocked.
Good thing the smokers and the wasps are all outside. Wouldn’t want any innocents burned alive.
Preferably when they’re all inside.
And the outside doors are all padlocked.
Good thing the smokers and the wasps are all outside. Wouldn’t want any innocents burned alive.
Relentless Persecution
I left this on the David Milliband site ( He wants to help the British pub), I thought I was being satirical…but it seems my proposed nightmare is slowly coming true.
drstevenjohnson says:
August 5, 2010 at 5:38 pm
Just prior to the smoking ban being enacted in 2007, I and other like minded people got together and set up an anti-smoking patrol watch in our local community. I have organised and run this watch with much success to date.
We gather photographic and camcorder evidence of anyone flouting the law of smoking in public places. We approached our local dentists and GPs, who then told us that anyone who smoked illegally would be refused treatment should their names appear on their patients’ lists. We also have the full support of our local police Superintendent – who agreed that this strategy would help in time to reduce smoking within our community. So far we have had no come back about Freedom of Information.
After several prosecutions we have seen the tide turning, but still need to remain vigilant on behalf of all our residents, after all it’s their health that’s at stake.
You have to remember that over 30,000 people are killed each year by SHS (second hand smoke), and this figure is rising year on year. We are still unclear about how many are affected each year by THS (third hand smoke), although there is good epidemiological evidence to show how dangerous it is to the health of young children.
I wrote to the then health secretary at the time Patricia Hewitt, who fully supported our efforts and asked to be kept up to date with our progress, which of course we did. I would like to see this kind of programme being rolled out across the country.
We are also supported by ASH UK, ASH Scotland, BHF and of course CRUK.
Dr Steven Johnson GP
The time will soon be upon us when passive (no pun intended) resistance will not be enough.
Relentless Persecution
I left this on the David Milliband site ( He wants to help the British pub), I thought I was being satirical…but it seems my proposed nightmare is slowly coming true.
drstevenjohnson says:
August 5, 2010 at 5:38 pm
Just prior to the smoking ban being enacted in 2007, I and other like minded people got together and set up an anti-smoking patrol watch in our local community. I have organised and run this watch with much success to date.
We gather photographic and camcorder evidence of anyone flouting the law of smoking in public places. We approached our local dentists and GPs, who then told us that anyone who smoked illegally would be refused treatment should their names appear on their patients’ lists. We also have the full support of our local police Superintendent – who agreed that this strategy would help in time to reduce smoking within our community. So far we have had no come back about Freedom of Information.
After several prosecutions we have seen the tide turning, but still need to remain vigilant on behalf of all our residents, after all it’s their health that’s at stake.
You have to remember that over 30,000 people are killed each year by SHS (second hand smoke), and this figure is rising year on year. We are still unclear about how many are affected each year by THS (third hand smoke), although there is good epidemiological evidence to show how dangerous it is to the health of young children.
I wrote to the then health secretary at the time Patricia Hewitt, who fully supported our efforts and asked to be kept up to date with our progress, which of course we did. I would like to see this kind of programme being rolled out across the country.
We are also supported by ASH UK, ASH Scotland, BHF and of course CRUK.
Dr Steven Johnson GP
The time will soon be upon us when passive (no pun intended) resistance will not be enough.
Hey, thank fuck they’re all (still) south of the Border. We’re all just tax scrounging cunts in Scotland, but at least we have fewer smokenazis.
Hey, thank fuck they’re all (still) south of the Border. We’re all just tax scrounging cunts in Scotland, but at least we have fewer smokenazis.
Actually I’m not too bothered about the wasps. Let ’em fry.
Actually I’m not too bothered about the wasps. Let ’em fry.
Re: Relentless Persecution
Great letter, but why do you understate the numbers of people who are killed by passive smoking?
It’s not a mere 30,000 people who are killed very year by passive smoking. It’s 3 million people. Everybody knows that.
I mean, are you some sort of dork?
Frank
Re: Relentless Persecution
Great letter, but why do you understate the numbers of people who are killed by passive smoking?
It’s not a mere 30,000 people who are killed very year by passive smoking. It’s 3 million people. Everybody knows that.
I mean, are you some sort of dork?
Frank
I thought you had more. But what do I know?
I thought you had more. But what do I know?
Re: Relentless Persecution
Frank – You’re right of course about the figure of 30,000…I did want to make it much higher, as I’ve done in previous outings such as an e-petition last year when I used the figure of 100,000, but I thought because the average figure sometimes touted was 11,000 then perhaps this would be outrageous enough.
Extraordinary isn’t it…a country the size of the USA can only muster 3,000 deaths by ‘passive smoking’ according to various studies…and even that number has been discredited.
Anyway – to my latest fantasy.
I want to produce an epidemiological study, which can then be sent to the BBC for them to dutifully report as fact. But of course it has to look authentic and be thoroughly convincing. It must look as though its been leaked from the government (or perhaps the Labour Party, since they brought in the ban), in compliance with Tobacco Control bodies pitching in too. It has to be done unashamedly and fearlessly.
This report must be plausible, but also provocative enough to cause deep embarrassment within political circles…after all they will have to deny or substantiate claims made in the study.
It can make claims that ministers want to see the NHS specifying wards for smokers who have been quarantined and receiving less quality treatment than if they didn’t smoke. They would have to have regular visits by social workers…so on and so forth…I think you get the picture Frank.
You know something Frank…these big orange tablets given to me by my jackbooted GP just aren’t cutting it anymore!
Re: Relentless Persecution
Frank – You’re right of course about the figure of 30,000…I did want to make it much higher, as I’ve done in previous outings such as an e-petition last year when I used the figure of 100,000, but I thought because the average figure sometimes touted was 11,000 then perhaps this would be outrageous enough.
Extraordinary isn’t it…a country the size of the USA can only muster 3,000 deaths by ‘passive smoking’ according to various studies…and even that number has been discredited.
Anyway – to my latest fantasy.
I want to produce an epidemiological study, which can then be sent to the BBC for them to dutifully report as fact. But of course it has to look authentic and be thoroughly convincing. It must look as though its been leaked from the government (or perhaps the Labour Party, since they brought in the ban), in compliance with Tobacco Control bodies pitching in too. It has to be done unashamedly and fearlessly.
This report must be plausible, but also provocative enough to cause deep embarrassment within political circles…after all they will have to deny or substantiate claims made in the study.
It can make claims that ministers want to see the NHS specifying wards for smokers who have been quarantined and receiving less quality treatment than if they didn’t smoke. They would have to have regular visits by social workers…so on and so forth…I think you get the picture Frank.
You know something Frank…these big orange tablets given to me by my jackbooted GP just aren’t cutting it anymore!
I was working as security at the Celtic Festival in Stornoway this year. At the Police briefing we were told: “It’s illegal for patrons to smoke in the [6000 capacity] tent. However, if you see someone smoking, don’t tell the one of us, because it’s a waste of our fucking time.”
Almost direct quote from the community liaison dude.
One of the few times I’ve liked the words coming out of a polismannies mouth!
I was working as security at the Celtic Festival in Stornoway this year. At the Police briefing we were told: “It’s illegal for patrons to smoke in the [6000 capacity] tent. However, if you see someone smoking, don’t tell the one of us, because it’s a waste of our fucking time.”
Almost direct quote from the community liaison dude.
One of the few times I’ve liked the words coming out of a polismannies mouth!
oops, I meant that to be a reply to your reply to my previous anon post above!
oops, I meant that to be a reply to your reply to my previous anon post above!
How come the Sally Army has to stand silent in case a rattle of a tin intimidates passers-by, but these little prats can approach smokers?
From the list of participating councils I would seem to be surrounded. If I’m approached I intend to consider it harassment.
Jay
How come the Sally Army has to stand silent in case a rattle of a tin intimidates passers-by, but these little prats can approach smokers?
From the list of participating councils I would seem to be surrounded. If I’m approached I intend to consider it harassment.
Jay
Likewise surrounded here. And paying tax for the privilege of being ostrasized. Joy. I will, however, as a fully licenced person with a disability, look forward to playing victimhood poker with anyone foolish enough to harrass me. Can you get legal aid to bring a hate crime prosecution?
PT Barnum
Likewise surrounded here. And paying tax for the privilege of being ostrasized. Joy. I will, however, as a fully licenced person with a disability, look forward to playing victimhood poker with anyone foolish enough to harrass me. Can you get legal aid to bring a hate crime prosecution?
PT Barnum
Call me the eternal optimist if you will, but I see all of these new “initiatives” these days as the desperate scrabblings of a movement which has had its day and knows it, but is frantically trying to find a lifeline to cling on to. What is Tobacco Control’s move from using paid professionals to enlisting unpaid friends, neighbours and children if it’s not a tacit admittance that funds are being cut – and cut hard? They could have enlisted these volunteers years ago – maybe in the run-up to the ban when anti-smoking hysteria was at its height – at no cost and supported by their paid backup services. So why are they only considering this option now? The final highlighted paragraph from Freedom2Choose gives the reason.
No wonder the anti-smoking lobby are concerned – I would be too. The increasingly hysterical rhetoric which accompanies each and every new “health risk” associated with smoking speaks for itself. There is virtually no ailment which they haven’t tried as an “avenue” these days, but the media, who have bigger fish to fry, just aren’t biting any more.
Neither is the Government. I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again – this new Coalition know how unpopular the ban has been, even if they won’t say so, and they are quietly keen to distance themselves from it so as not to be seen as “the same as the last lot.” Instead, they have nailed their colours to the mast in terms of “health,” and it’s the tipplers and boozers who need to be on their guard now, rather than smokers. The drip-feeds are already starting – have you noticed how many “Police, Camera, Action” type programmes now focus on alcohol, at least for part of every programme; or how in soaps or dramas heinous crimes are pretty much always associated with someone who is either drunk or drinking; how news stories about the health risks associated with drinking are making bigger and louder headlines now than all these add-on ailments which have suddenly been “associated” with smoking; how, having been told for years that “smoking is the biggest killer” numbers are now beginning to be quoted which indicate that – shock, horror! – alcohol might well be an even worse mass murderer of The People than the dreaded tobacco?
Anti-smoking is in slow, terminal decline; anti-alcohol is in the ascendant now. As they used to say: “The King is dead. Long live the King.”
Call me the eternal optimist if you will, but I see all of these new “initiatives” these days as the desperate scrabblings of a movement which has had its day and knows it, but is frantically trying to find a lifeline to cling on to. What is Tobacco Control’s move from using paid professionals to enlisting unpaid friends, neighbours and children if it’s not a tacit admittance that funds are being cut – and cut hard? They could have enlisted these volunteers years ago – maybe in the run-up to the ban when anti-smoking hysteria was at its height – at no cost and supported by their paid backup services. So why are they only considering this option now? The final highlighted paragraph from Freedom2Choose gives the reason.
No wonder the anti-smoking lobby are concerned – I would be too. The increasingly hysterical rhetoric which accompanies each and every new “health risk” associated with smoking speaks for itself. There is virtually no ailment which they haven’t tried as an “avenue” these days, but the media, who have bigger fish to fry, just aren’t biting any more.
Neither is the Government. I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again – this new Coalition know how unpopular the ban has been, even if they won’t say so, and they are quietly keen to distance themselves from it so as not to be seen as “the same as the last lot.” Instead, they have nailed their colours to the mast in terms of “health,” and it’s the tipplers and boozers who need to be on their guard now, rather than smokers. The drip-feeds are already starting – have you noticed how many “Police, Camera, Action” type programmes now focus on alcohol, at least for part of every programme; or how in soaps or dramas heinous crimes are pretty much always associated with someone who is either drunk or drinking; how news stories about the health risks associated with drinking are making bigger and louder headlines now than all these add-on ailments which have suddenly been “associated” with smoking; how, having been told for years that “smoking is the biggest killer” numbers are now beginning to be quoted which indicate that – shock, horror! – alcohol might well be an even worse mass murderer of The People than the dreaded tobacco?
Anti-smoking is in slow, terminal decline; anti-alcohol is in the ascendant now. As they used to say: “The King is dead. Long live the King.”
Just out of interest.
“Astel was also a rabid anti-tobacco activist, who quickly made a name for himself on the Jena campus by snatching cigarettes from the mouths of smoking students.
http://ije.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/30/1/31
Rose
Just out of interest.
“Astel was also a rabid anti-tobacco activist, who quickly made a name for himself on the Jena campus by snatching cigarettes from the mouths of smoking students.
http://ije.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/30/1/31
Rose
Corby
There are estates in Corby that feel like Belfast.
Wonder if they’l knock on doors there then ?
Probably get mugged the minute they show up.
Corby
There are estates in Corby that feel like Belfast.
Wonder if they’l knock on doors there then ?
Probably get mugged the minute they show up.
Thanks a lot for that, Rose. That’s exactly the quote I was casting around for yesterday, but couldn’t remember where I’d read it.
I seem to remember that Astel committed suicide in April 1945 or thereabouts.
Frank
Thanks a lot for that, Rose. That’s exactly the quote I was casting around for yesterday, but couldn’t remember where I’d read it.
I seem to remember that Astel committed suicide in April 1945 or thereabouts.
Frank
What is Tobacco Control’s move from using paid professionals to enlisting unpaid friends, neighbours and children if it’s not a tacit admittance that funds are being cut – and cut hard?
That’s certainly one way of interpreting it. On the other hand it can be interpreted as a change of tactics – which was how I saw it.
this new Coalition know how unpopular the ban has been, even if they won’t say so, and they are quietly keen to distance themselves from it so as not to be seen as “the same as the last lot.”
But since Nick Clegg has said that amending the smoking ban is about as likely as bringing back capital punishment, they are seen as being “the same as the last lot.” Unless they’re thinking of bringing back hanging…
have you noticed how many “Police, Camera, Action” type programmes now focus on alcohol, at least for part of every programme
No, I haven’t noticed. I no longer have a TV set. And I don’t have one precisely because of this sort of propaganda.
Tell me, how is global warming playing these days on TV? 2 years ago it was finding its way into everything.
And I’m an optimist too, in the long run.
Frank
What is Tobacco Control’s move from using paid professionals to enlisting unpaid friends, neighbours and children if it’s not a tacit admittance that funds are being cut – and cut hard?
That’s certainly one way of interpreting it. On the other hand it can be interpreted as a change of tactics – which was how I saw it.
this new Coalition know how unpopular the ban has been, even if they won’t say so, and they are quietly keen to distance themselves from it so as not to be seen as “the same as the last lot.”
But since Nick Clegg has said that amending the smoking ban is about as likely as bringing back capital punishment, they are seen as being “the same as the last lot.” Unless they’re thinking of bringing back hanging…
have you noticed how many “Police, Camera, Action” type programmes now focus on alcohol, at least for part of every programme
No, I haven’t noticed. I no longer have a TV set. And I don’t have one precisely because of this sort of propaganda.
Tell me, how is global warming playing these days on TV? 2 years ago it was finding its way into everything.
And I’m an optimist too, in the long run.
Frank
Yes he did, before they could catch him for his various other activities.
Interesting piece from that article.
“His institute therefore, not surprisingly, sought to combine both scientific and propagandist work.”
Sound familiar?
“Some of the most prominent members of the antismoking movement openly advocate, nay urge all and sundry, to violate two of the norms of science: mixing advocacy and objective inquiry, and publishing the same results repeatedly for political purposes.”
http://tobaccodocuments.org/lor/89272536-2551.html
So how good was the science?
“Von Skramlik built on documentaries of the poisonous effects of nicotine on marine animals he had shot previously.”
http://ije.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/30/1/35
Rose
Yes he did, before they could catch him for his various other activities.
Interesting piece from that article.
“His institute therefore, not surprisingly, sought to combine both scientific and propagandist work.”
Sound familiar?
“Some of the most prominent members of the antismoking movement openly advocate, nay urge all and sundry, to violate two of the norms of science: mixing advocacy and objective inquiry, and publishing the same results repeatedly for political purposes.”
http://tobaccodocuments.org/lor/89272536-2551.html
So how good was the science?
“Von Skramlik built on documentaries of the poisonous effects of nicotine on marine animals he had shot previously.”
http://ije.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/30/1/35
Rose
Other appropriate quotes…
“Astel committed suicide at the end of the war”
For the benefit of his inheritirs and disciples,
Luke 10:37
Go, and do thou likewise
Other appropriate quotes…
“Astel committed suicide at the end of the war”
For the benefit of his inheritirs and disciples,
Luke 10:37
Go, and do thou likewise
A shaggy cow story: how a Nazi experiment brought extinct aurochs to Devon
“The herd has Herman Goering, the head of Hitler’s Luftwaffe, to thank for its existence.
Goering hoped to recreate a primeval Aryan wilderness in the conquered territories of Eastern Europe.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/article6143767.ece
Giant Nazi cows on the loose in Britain
http://www.metro.co.uk/news/628693-giant-nazi-cows-on-the-loose-in-britain
Nothing surprises me these days.
Rose
A shaggy cow story: how a Nazi experiment brought extinct aurochs to Devon
“The herd has Herman Goering, the head of Hitler’s Luftwaffe, to thank for its existence.
Goering hoped to recreate a primeval Aryan wilderness in the conquered territories of Eastern Europe.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/article6143767.ece
Giant Nazi cows on the loose in Britain
http://www.metro.co.uk/news/628693-giant-nazi-cows-on-the-loose-in-britain
Nothing surprises me these days.
Rose
Have you seen this?
Pamphlets not only trumpeted the health defects of tobacco, but also characterized Jews as smokers, in an attempt to say look, you don’t want to be like them! Furthermore, claims were advanced that the Jews introduced tobacco to Europe and that its modern use was spread by Jewish Capitalism.
I’ve said before that antismoking is the new antisemitism, but in this quotation they are synonymous.
Frank
Have you seen this?
Pamphlets not only trumpeted the health defects of tobacco, but also characterized Jews as smokers, in an attempt to say look, you don’t want to be like them! Furthermore, claims were advanced that the Jews introduced tobacco to Europe and that its modern use was spread by Jewish Capitalism.
I’ve said before that antismoking is the new antisemitism, but in this quotation they are synonymous.
Frank
Yes, it goes rather well with this one.
“Agnes Bluhm, Germany’s most prominent female racial hygienist, argued in a 1936 book that smoking could cause spontaneous abortions; this was especially disturbing to Nazi authorities, who placed a premium on ensuring a high birthrate among healthy German women.
Smoking was also said to interfere with male sexual performance: a 1941 health manual published by the Hitler Youth told how tobacco had sometimes been used by sailors to suppress their sexual desires”
http://toxicology.usu.edu/endnote/Proctor-Nazi-war-tobacco.htm
You can see where it all comes from, but it was before they found out what nicotinic acid did, though there were hints.
“The hands of tar workers develop skin cancer, the marked drenchings of the fingers, the skin of the fingers which holds the cigarette, which are sometimes deeply brown stained have never so far as I know, developed cancer of the skin.
One of the gentlemen, the proponents of the cigarette theory, has tried to explain that phenomenon by saying that the first three fingers of the right hand of man have a natural immunity against cancer.”
http://tobaccodocuments.org/rjr/503243231-3367.html?zoom=750&ocr_position=above_foramatted&start_page=81
Niacin and Niacinamide In Flue Cured Cigarette Smoke Condensate August 10 1960
“The susceptibility of mice to lung adenomas, induced by urethran feeding, depends upon the dietary supply of niacin.
Furthermore, Strain A mice, on a niacin deficient diet, showed a greatly increased incidence of spontaneous lung adenomas; whereas, a supplement of niacin seemed to be protective.”
http://legacy.library.ucsf.edu/action/document/page?tid=pnx69d00&page=1
Scientists are not exactly sure how vitamin B3 boosts the skin’s defences against cancer.
Tests so far have shown it is safe and effective as a topical treatment.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/health/sophie_scott/newsitems/s1366452.htm
Furthermore, the identification of the nicotinic acid receptor in human skin keratinocytes provides a further link to niacin’s role as a potential skin cancer prevention agent and suggests the nicotinic acid receptor as a potential target for skin cancer prevention agents.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19149600
Mapping the role of NAD metabolism in
prevention and treatment of carcinogenesis
“The association of lower NAD with malignancy in skin supports the hypothesis that niacin maybe an important preventive factor in cancer.”
Click to access MappingroleofNADmetabolism.pdf
“Studies of the consequences of DNA damage in cultured mouse and human cells as a function of niacin status have supported the hypothesis that niacin may be a protective factor that limits carcinogenic events”
http://www.jacn.org/cgi/content/abstract/12/4/412
Rose
Yes, it goes rather well with this one.
“Agnes Bluhm, Germany’s most prominent female racial hygienist, argued in a 1936 book that smoking could cause spontaneous abortions; this was especially disturbing to Nazi authorities, who placed a premium on ensuring a high birthrate among healthy German women.
Smoking was also said to interfere with male sexual performance: a 1941 health manual published by the Hitler Youth told how tobacco had sometimes been used by sailors to suppress their sexual desires”
http://toxicology.usu.edu/endnote/Proctor-Nazi-war-tobacco.htm
You can see where it all comes from, but it was before they found out what nicotinic acid did, though there were hints.
“The hands of tar workers develop skin cancer, the marked drenchings of the fingers, the skin of the fingers which holds the cigarette, which are sometimes deeply brown stained have never so far as I know, developed cancer of the skin.
One of the gentlemen, the proponents of the cigarette theory, has tried to explain that phenomenon by saying that the first three fingers of the right hand of man have a natural immunity against cancer.”
http://tobaccodocuments.org/rjr/503243231-3367.html?zoom=750&ocr_position=above_foramatted&start_page=81
Niacin and Niacinamide In Flue Cured Cigarette Smoke Condensate August 10 1960
“The susceptibility of mice to lung adenomas, induced by urethran feeding, depends upon the dietary supply of niacin.
Furthermore, Strain A mice, on a niacin deficient diet, showed a greatly increased incidence of spontaneous lung adenomas; whereas, a supplement of niacin seemed to be protective.”
http://legacy.library.ucsf.edu/action/document/page?tid=pnx69d00&page=1
Scientists are not exactly sure how vitamin B3 boosts the skin’s defences against cancer.
Tests so far have shown it is safe and effective as a topical treatment.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/health/sophie_scott/newsitems/s1366452.htm
Furthermore, the identification of the nicotinic acid receptor in human skin keratinocytes provides a further link to niacin’s role as a potential skin cancer prevention agent and suggests the nicotinic acid receptor as a potential target for skin cancer prevention agents.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19149600
Mapping the role of NAD metabolism in
prevention and treatment of carcinogenesis
“The association of lower NAD with malignancy in skin supports the hypothesis that niacin maybe an important preventive factor in cancer.”
Click to access MappingroleofNADmetabolism.pdf
“Studies of the consequences of DNA damage in cultured mouse and human cells as a function of niacin status have supported the hypothesis that niacin may be a protective factor that limits carcinogenic events”
http://www.jacn.org/cgi/content/abstract/12/4/412
Rose
Now its one thing when people choose to give up smoking for themselves, quite another when they are forced to do so, especially if there is a possibility that they are self-treating.
“The danger of cigarettes is mostly not in smoking them, argues a study by three doctors at the KS Hegde Medical Academy in Mangalore, India. Or, put another way: the danger comes from not smoking. Figuratively blowing smoke in the face of conventional wisdom, the study asks: “Are lung cancers triggered by stopping smoking?”
The report goes into detail. “Each had been addicted to the habit no less than 25 years, smoking in excess of 20 sticks a day. The striking direct statistical correlation between cessation of smoking to the development of lung malignancies, more than 60% plus, is too glaring to be dismissed as coincidental.”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2007/oct/16/highereducation.research1
“In the first three years after giving up, new quitters were 91 per cent more likely to develop diabetes”
http://www.healthcarerepublic.com/GP/news/rss/976970/Behind-Headlines-diabetes-linked-quitting-smoking
“Compared with those who had never smoked, current smokers were much less likely to have ulcerative colitis (odds ratio 0.13, 95% CI 0.05 to 0.3 – that is they were about eight times less likely to have ulcerative colitis.
Former smokers’ risk was no different from non-smokers.”
http://www.medicine.ox.ac.uk/bandolier/band39/b39-5.html
Now I’ve read such things being explained away as people feeling unwell and then giving up smoking, but it was already too late.
The only thing that people are told is that its an addiction to nicotine.
They are not offered proper substitutes and I think that its essential to find out what they really are, in the long run it could prove very useful to non-smokers as well.
Nobody is going to unravel this but us.
Health ‘benefits’ of smoking?
“Important note: smoking may offer a limited degree of protection in some individuals against the development of a small number of diseases, outlined below.
However, this information is of no relevance to public health, given that the amount of disease that tobacco may be said to prevent is insignificant in comparison to the far greater incidence of disease caused by smoking.
Smoking kills one in two of its users.”
http://www.tobaccoinaustralia.org.au/chapter-3-health-effects/3-28-health-benefits-of-smoking-
Diseases With Lower Risks In Smokers – Richard Doll
Click to access doll-protection.pdf
Its an ancient herbal medicine for heavens sake!
Rose
Now its one thing when people choose to give up smoking for themselves, quite another when they are forced to do so, especially if there is a possibility that they are self-treating.
“The danger of cigarettes is mostly not in smoking them, argues a study by three doctors at the KS Hegde Medical Academy in Mangalore, India. Or, put another way: the danger comes from not smoking. Figuratively blowing smoke in the face of conventional wisdom, the study asks: “Are lung cancers triggered by stopping smoking?”
The report goes into detail. “Each had been addicted to the habit no less than 25 years, smoking in excess of 20 sticks a day. The striking direct statistical correlation between cessation of smoking to the development of lung malignancies, more than 60% plus, is too glaring to be dismissed as coincidental.”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2007/oct/16/highereducation.research1
“In the first three years after giving up, new quitters were 91 per cent more likely to develop diabetes”
http://www.healthcarerepublic.com/GP/news/rss/976970/Behind-Headlines-diabetes-linked-quitting-smoking
“Compared with those who had never smoked, current smokers were much less likely to have ulcerative colitis (odds ratio 0.13, 95% CI 0.05 to 0.3 – that is they were about eight times less likely to have ulcerative colitis.
Former smokers’ risk was no different from non-smokers.”
http://www.medicine.ox.ac.uk/bandolier/band39/b39-5.html
Now I’ve read such things being explained away as people feeling unwell and then giving up smoking, but it was already too late.
The only thing that people are told is that its an addiction to nicotine.
They are not offered proper substitutes and I think that its essential to find out what they really are, in the long run it could prove very useful to non-smokers as well.
Nobody is going to unravel this but us.
Health ‘benefits’ of smoking?
“Important note: smoking may offer a limited degree of protection in some individuals against the development of a small number of diseases, outlined below.
However, this information is of no relevance to public health, given that the amount of disease that tobacco may be said to prevent is insignificant in comparison to the far greater incidence of disease caused by smoking.
Smoking kills one in two of its users.”
http://www.tobaccoinaustralia.org.au/chapter-3-health-effects/3-28-health-benefits-of-smoking-
Diseases With Lower Risks In Smokers – Richard Doll
Click to access doll-protection.pdf
Its an ancient herbal medicine for heavens sake!
Rose
Baccy Watchers
Snitch sites
http://www.get-some-answers.co.uk
http://www.illicttobacconorth.org
And the Prince of Darkness e-mail depot
enquiries@illicittobacconorth.org
David Wiggins
Baccy Watchers
Snitch sites
http://www.get-some-answers.co.uk
http://www.illicttobacconorth.org
And the Prince of Darkness e-mail depot
enquiries@illicittobacconorth.org
David Wiggins