Coerced Mis-statements

H/T Rose for this report on upcoming ‘corrective statements’ by Big Tobacco:

Under the agreement with the Justice Department, each of the companies must publish full-page ads in the Sunday editions of 35 newspapers and on the newspapers’ websites, as well as air prime-time TV spots on CBS, ABC or NBC five times per week for a year. The companies also must publish the statements on their websites and affix them to a certain number of cigarette packs three times per year for two years.

Each corrective ad is to be prefaced by a statement that a federal court has concluded that the defendant tobacco companies “deliberately deceived the American public.” Among the required statements are that smoking kills more people than murder, AIDS, suicide, drugs, car crashes and alcohol combined, and that “secondhand smoke kills over 38,000 Americans a year.”

Rose states the obvious:

“Thank goodness anti-tobacco warned us never to believe a word that those wicked tobacco companies say.”

I used to half-believe everything that was said against tobacco. But over the last seven years, I’ve gradually ceased to believe any of it at all.

That’s a consequence of seeing just how vile Tobacco Control really is. And just how bad their ‘research’ is too.

Tobacco Control has done me far more harm than tobacco ever did.

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38 Responses to Coerced Mis-statements

  1. Klaus K says:

    My goodness. The fascist state in full operation. And then this: “secondhand smoke kills over 38,000 Americans a year.” … which everyone can see for themselves cannot be true. Fx. in Peter Lee’s website:

    It’s like a strange dream …

  2. GC says:

    Big Tobacco lying again. Nothing new.

  3. Junican says:

    Read the article with a pinch of salt. There is no certainty that the ‘examples’ are any more than either the reporter’s inventions or TC’s inventions.

    • Rose says:

      Monday, December 03, 2012
      D.C. District Court Approves Corrective Statements for Cigarette Companies …..

      “First, here are the corrective statements that Judge Kessler approved:

      A. Adverse Health Effects of Smoking

      A Federal Court has ruled that the Defendant tobacco companies deliberately deceived the American public about the health effects of smoking, and has ordered those companies to make this statement. Here is the truth:

      • Smoking kills, on average, 1200 Americans. Every day.

      • More people die every year from smoking than from murder, AIDS, suicide, drugs, car crashes, and alcohol, combined.

      • Smoking causes heart disease, emphysema, acute myeloid leukemia, and cancer of the mouth, esophagus, larynx, lung, stomach, kidney, bladder, and pancreas.

      • Smoking also causes reduced fertility, low birth weight in newborns, and cancer of the cervix and uterus.

      And so on and so forth about
      Addictiveness of Smoking and Nicotine,
      Lack of Significant Health Benefit from Smoking“Low Tar,” “Light,” “Ultra Light,” “Mild,” and“Natural” Cigarettes
      Manipulation of Cigarette Design and Composition to Ensure Optimum Nicotine Delivery

      E. Adverse Health Effects of Exposure to Secondhand Smoke

      A Federal Court has ruled that the Defendant tobacco companies deliberately deceived the American public about the health effects of secondhand smoke, and has ordered those companies to make this statement. Here is the truth:

      • Secondhand smoke kills over 3,000 Americans each year.

      • Secondhand smoke causes lung cancer and coronary heart disease in adults who do not smoke.

      • Children exposed to secondhand smoke are at an increased risk for sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS), acute respiratory infections, ear problems, severe asthma, and reduced lung function.

      • There is no safe level of exposure to secondhand smoke.”

      Though how they are going to fit some of them on the packet I simply don’t know.

      • XX • Secondhand smoke kills over 3,000 Americans each year.XX

        So, which is it? 3K or 38K?

        • Rose says:

          I’ve just been looking at that FT, there seems to have been a press release in the last day or so quoting “secondhand smoke kills over 38,000 Americans a year.” not that I can find it, 420 results according to google all saying the same thing, so whether it’s a missprint or they just felt that 3,000 sounded too low, I have no idea but I’m not picking up that 38,000 on any stories from 2012.

          “Secondhand smoke kills over 3,000 Americans each year.” picks up the 2012 and 2013 news stories.

        • Rose says:

          “More people died in 2002 from passive smoking at work in the UK than were killed by the Great London smog of 1952″
          James Repace

          Now the official death toll for the Great London Smog was 4,000, in 2002 it was found to be more like 12,000 so I’m not sure which figures he is using.

          Even so 4,000 or 12,000 killed by passive smoking at work for the whole of the UK, makes 3,000 deaths over the whole of America seem rather low.

        • Rose says:

          “One Factual Error

          Judge Kessler ordered the companies to publicize the statement that “Secondhand smoke kills over 3,000 Americans each year.” The 3,000 number is for lung cancer only. Secondhand smoke kills another 50,000 from heart disease. Hopefully the DOJ can work with Judge Kessler to correct this number.”

          So that would be 53,000 according to S G.

        • Tom says:

          “Secondhand smoke kills over 3,000 Americans each year.” The 3,000 number is for lung cancer only. Secondhand smoke kills another 50,000 from heart disease.

          But, wasn’t there just a genuine and for real study released, just last month, that showed SHS is of NO consequence for lung cancer, what-so-ever?

          If so, then tobacco companies are forced by a judge to print a proven scientific lie, not that the rest of them aren’t full of lies too.

          Wait until other industries, business and individuals, happy to ignore this ruling, get caught in the same socialist/fascist web of dictatorship later on – but nobody will be there to defend them, the smoking community and tobacco industry already decimated by the pack of lies and forced coercion the others still seem happily to dismiss as “not going to happen to them”, next.

      • harleyrider1978 says:

        Perhaps we should get Judge Kessler to start naming the dead to SHS/ETS! ON CAMERA or UNDER OATH

        • harleyrider1978 says:

          It brings us right back to the fact that the Courts themselves are as corrupt as the government and the anti-smoking lobby………….There is no justice to be found in any court of law today its all fixed and Ive even got a USSC ruling on a second hand smoke death so they claim………..The man actually died from severe food allergies yet they claim from shs………….It was a truly epic travesty of justice had SHS been a human we would have called it a KANGAROO COURT in Judge Roy Beans time!

        • harleyrider1978 says:

          Supreme Court holds airline liable for doctor’s death

          They made a judgement call only and the vote was down the line of leftist judges and moderates against conservative judges on the USSC. The case originated in the 9th circus court in san francisco no doubt a planed attack as thats where the smoking bans were born and spread to the world, a couurt know for its activism. At no time was any shs//ets testimony on the junk science allowed in the court to deny the ludicrous charges. This case would be deemed a kangaroo court case where the outcome was made to suit a political cause not based in any facts of real harm presented by scientific eveidence. To this day the evidence of record is shs is not enough to cause an ashtmatic attack. Even the SG report bares this out as I have shown.

          This case fails to show proof of harm by actual toxicology or science
          This case was not made upon any form of autopsy results
          This case was not made upon showing real harm present from shs/ets in any study. A study would have to show relative risk factors over 2.0 in order to even be admissable as evidence and these do not exist and the courts chose to ignore this fundamental knowledge and still claim a harm that has not been proven to be a harm in actual studies.

          The facts are the doctor suffered from food born anaphylactic episodes, 2 that nearly killed him and no smoke was present.

          The courts shows malice and intent to toss aside this real evidence in favor of a politically correct agenda based upon second hand smoke that has not been shown in studies to cause asthmatic attacks to this day. In fact studies have shown second hand smoke is beneficial to asthmatics in childrens studies and in adults who smoke.

          This case also had international treaty impacts on the warsaw act and upon ch. 17 of the airline commercial carriers treaty by broadening the scope of an accident to a far more LIBERAL definition,this is what some justices commented on during the trial. Now a person can claim a injury over about anything while aboard an aircraft. This has made the libs happy,the trial lawyers happy and the ticket rates go up to pay higher liability rates that insurance compnaies now have the legal right to do based upon more claims by a liberalized libiality definition.

          No proof of cause of death was provided to the courts,they chose instead to base their decision upon hearsay evidence from the dead doctors wife. The airline hostess did not testify on the stand nor testify by deposition to counter any claims made by the dead docs wife. Even the defendant in a shock move olympic airlines declared that shs/ets should be noted as a cause although not the only cause of death.

          This is a willful act of guilt by association and no defendant would ever plead guilt by association,yet even when they state it as a cause its just hearsay evidence which the judges admit the case was made on. By all that is just had shs/ets been a human being this court case would have been compared straight to judge roy beans hangin court from the 1860s of texas old west justice!

          So to make a claim that shs caused a death based upon nothing more than hearsay evidence is a travesty and a blight on american jurisprudence but in the wacko world of anti-tobacco such claims are all they have!

    • Marvin says:

      I’m with Junican on this one…
      “There is no certainty that the ‘examples’ are any more than either the reporter’s inventions or TC’s inventions”

      Absolutely spot on.

      Read it carefully – “A Federal Court has ruled that the Defendant tobacco companies deliberately deceived the American public about the health effects of smoking, and has ordered those companies to make this statement” – That is the end of what the judge actually said. This applies to the other orders made by the judge.
      Everything after the numerous “Here are the truths” can be ignored – It has NOT BEEN ordered by the judge and is therefore NOT a court order – It has been added by the vested interests.

      As usual, the masochist “Rose” is stirring things. The pdf she linked to is no more than what is in the papers, regurgitated by her, as if it was an official document.
      And it is from the “American Cancer Society – Cancer Action Network” a totally unbiased organisation!!! Why do you always promote Anti-Tobacco propoganda – Rose?

  4. tux1952 says:

    I’m willing to bet that there is not one post mortem result (and never will be) that states cause of death as ‘secondary smoking’…

  5. Some other Tom says:

    I am glad I tuned completely out of the ‘media’ almost 2 years ago. Haven’t watched television since, nor read a newspaper, and since I stuff my own smokes, I don’t have that shit to look at on packs… Ridiculous, really, and shameful.

    Deliberately deceived? That’s sort of a larf, really, when you compare it to the level of deception that TC and the government keep pushing forth. What is the deception, exactly, that big tobacco is guilty of? (I’m guessing) The advertising over the years? That smoking is pleasurable? It is! That it is appealing/sexy? It can be…

    It’s always amazing how the lie keeps getting bigger and more fantastic – I’m waiting for the day that even uttering the word cigarette will be taboo and banned. I know it is coming…

  6. Rose says:

    Incidentally, page 3 of the Times today.

    Hockney draws support for smokers

  7. Sunex Amures says:

    When I first read this I felt so angry I literally felt physically sick. This development is deeply alarming. There is now obviously no depth to which this kind of egregious control-freakery will not stoop.

  8. Junican says:

    Reference Rose’s comment about the nature of the warnings, it is important to note that those statements are only what Dr Siegel thought that they should contain, and not what they will contain.
    Has anyone seen anything that gives actual examples?

  9. smokingscot says:

    “Lawyers (and misocapnists disguised as medics – my addition) are ruining the country. Ruining trust, frightening good people, promoting a culture of victimization, and engaged in legalized extortion”.

    Nelson DeMille “Wild Fire”.

    Should this example of legalized extortion be allowed to stand, then watch out for the avalanche that will follow. Alcohol, Convenience foods, Petroleum Companies and – of course – pharmaceutical companies.

    Pfizer and “Champix” would get my vote – and this lots as well

    Monsanto and GM seeds would be up there – and the dependants of the 125,000 plus who topped themselves would agree.

    U.S. District Judge Gladys Kessler. Sometimes, lady, you gotta look at the big picture.

    (Lots of photos of the lady in question on Google images, but that’s 3 links).

  10. magnetic01 says:

    The antismoking racket must have thought all their Christmases had come at once. They had dipsy Gladdy Kessler presiding over the case. “Oo La La”, thought the antismoking nutcases, their bloodshot eyes bulging with malevolent glee – high-fives all round. Kessler is a “scientific illiterate”, some (e.g., me) might even say…. retarded. Going by her conduct, Gladdy sounds like a rabid antismoker herself, a super-absorbent sponge for inflammatory rhetoric and “appeal to authority”. So we had a “show trial” – a masterpiece of antismoking theatre – where any claim made by the “obviously righteous, benevolent, and omniscient” antismoking nutcases was considered “fact” and that demonstrated how “evil” and “deceptive” is the tobacco industry. The “trial” was like a Bermuda Triangle where, on entering, any trace of sensibility and honesty was lost, never to be seen again: It was nitro, turbo-charged nutcasery. And the antismoking nutcases weren’t going to let such a plump, juicy circumstance go by without exploiting it to the hilt…. to rabidly suck every last bit of propaganda-potential from it. The tobacco industry – via its current “evil perps” – must be paraded, dragged, on an hourly basis through the main square wearing sandwich boards declaring “I’m with the tobacco industry: I’m evil, a liar, a killer” while shouting “Why does the world even tolerate my woeful existence!”

    It’s all so pathetic…. so…so… obnoxiously, litigiously American (apologies to any of the sane folk left in the land of the brave-free home). But, dear friends, that’s the state of the Union.

  11. harleyrider1978 says:

    Ive ben posting this for about 2-3 years on just that subject. But lets not forget who it is ordering this. Judge Gladys Kessler and she is the one who was the judge in the OSTEEN EPA ETS study that said Osteen didn’t have jurisdiction…………

    As the worm turns the saying goes…………..

    WASHINGTON (AP) — The Justice Department was in a new dispute Friday with the tobacco industry over the government’s landmark lawsuit against the companies.

    The government has prepared corrective statements it wants the companies to be forced to make about the health hazards from smoking. But the tobacco companies don’t want those proposed statements put in the public record before they get a chance to review them.

    FORCED TO MAKE…….SOUNDS like somebodys not playing fair doesnt it.So if the tobacco companies make statements then the nazi anti-smokers get to say see even the tobacco companies admit this!!!!! force isnt that what hitler did at bayonet point!

    U.S. Judge Orders Tobacco Companies to Admit Deception and Tell the Truth to the American People

    A federal judge today ordered tobacco companies to admit that they have deliberately deceived the American public and finally tell the truth about their deadly and addictive products and fraudulent marketing. Today’s ruling is a critical step toward ending decades of tobacco industry deception that has resulted in millions of premature deaths, untold suffering and billions in health care costs. Requiring the tobacco companies to finally tell the truth is a small price to pay for the devastating consequences of their wrongdoing.

    Today’s ruling spells out the corrective statements U.S. District Court Judge Gladys Kessler first ordered tobacco companies to make in 2006 when she found them guilty of violating civil racketeering laws and engaging in a decades-long fraud to deceive the American people.

    The Tobacco-Free Kids Action Fund (a 501c4 affiliate of the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids) is one of six public health groups that Judge Kessler allowed to intervene in the case, along with the American Cancer Society, American Heart Association, American Lung Association, Americans for Nonsmokers’ Rights and National African American Tobacco Prevention Network.

    SOURCE Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      Yet what is it the tobacco companies lied about…………….As we all know there is no proof to a single claim made by the Nazis about tobacco! When you toss that into the debate the fools have nothing left to say except they exposed their own Lies about tobacco after saying CAUSES for 60 plus years……………If ya cant prove it,you got nothing!

      7 October, the COT meeting on 26 October and the COC meeting on 18
      November 2004.

      “5. The Committees commented that tobacco smoke was a highly complex chemical mixture and that the causative agents for smoke induced diseases (such as cardiovascular disease, cancer, effects on reproduction and on offspring) was unknown. The mechanisms by which tobacco induced adverse effects were not established. The best information related to tobacco smoke – induced lung cancer, but even in this instance a detailed mechanism was not available. The Committees therefore agreed that on the basis of current knowledge it would be very difficult to identify a toxicological testing strategy or a biomonitoring approach for use in volunteer studies with smokers where the end-points determined or biomarkers measured were predictive of the overall burden of tobacco-induced adverse disease.”

      In other words … our first hand smoke theory is so lame we can’t even design a bogus lab experiment to prove it. In fact … we don’t even know how tobacco does all of the magical things we claim it does.

      The greatest threat to the second hand theory is the weakness of the first hand theory.

  12. nisakiman says:

    Are the tobacco companies not going to contest this? It’s a perfect opportunity to start turning the tide. So many of those statements can be comprehensively demolished, it would be like shooting apples in a barrel. Surely to god they’re not going to lie down and allow the lunatics to stomp on their faces? Because if they do allow this to go through, heaven knows what the nutjobs are going to target next, and how.

    • Rose says:

      They did, they failed and yes they will, Nisakiman, I have been watching this for a while.

      Big Tobacco Is Guilty of Conspiracy – 2006

      “Kessler enjoined the companies from committing any future acts of fraud, and ordered them to issue a series of “corrective statements” through advertisements in major newspapers and TV networks, and on their websites. She said the statements must disclose the hazards and addictiveness of smoking, the lack of significant health benefits from smoking low-tar cigarettes, the companies’ use of cigarette design to achieve optimum nicotine delivery, and the adverse effects of secondhand smoke.

      Judges seem wary of overruling tobacco judgment – 2012

      “WASHINGTON—A bid by tobacco companies to overrule a court judgment that they must do corrective advertising about the dangers of smoking received a chilly response from a federal appeals court Friday”.

      “The companies want U.S. District Judge Gladys Kessler’s order overturned because a 2009 law gave the Food and Drug Administration authority over the industry, including power to require graphic cigarette warnings.”

      “In court filings, the companies—including Philip Morris USA, the nation’s largest tobacco maker—say that the 2009 law “eliminated any reasonable likelihood that defendants would commit future RICO violations,” thus making the need for remedies like corrective statements moot.

      Judge David Sentelle, one of three judges on the appeals court panel, told a lawyer arguing for the tobacco companies that the logic in their case “escapes me.”

      It escapes me too.

    • XX Are the tobacco companies not going to contest this? XX

      Have they ever contested ANY anti smoking legistlation?

      Where where they during the “Pub smoking bans” all over Europe?

      Not a fucking WORD was heard.

      Not from here, any way.

    • JJ says:

      That’s because the big four tobacco companies have no choice. Back in November 1998, these companies entered into ‘The Tobacco Master Settlement’ (MSA), which meant that over the first 25 year period a total of $206 billion would be handed over in exchange for being exempted from future lawsuits (tort liability), claiming damages from among other things, the dangers of SHS. It is worth noting also that BT could not present any kind of defence in court when faced with lawsuits, meaning that they had to settle because they could never win in court. All this being part of the agreement.

      This is a massive amount of money, and when you add on corporate tax, tobacco tax and a whole host of various fines over the years – then it adds up to more than a pound of flesh.

      Yes, the tobacco companies have made mistakes, but by God they have more than paid the price. They should not have to keep on paying now.
      Since all tobacco product ingredients have always been federally approved – then shouldn’t others be paying too?

      BT has had the shit-end of the stick – in more ways than one.

      • harleyrider1978 says:

        JJ it was basically a GAG order on BT to say anything against the claims made by the Nazis………………The Nazis also put that wording in the FCTC treaty against anyone of us talking against anti-tobacco measures to any government officials………..

  13. roobeedoo2 says:

    I’ve just seen a reference to second hand stress:

    Reminds me of this

    If you liked that, you’ll love this:

  14. beobrigitte says:

    Under the agreement with the Justice Department, each of the companies must publish full-page ads in the Sunday editions of 35 newspapers and on the newspapers’ websites, as well as air prime-time TV spots on CBS, ABC or NBC five times per week for a year.

    Is Big Tobacco expected to pay for these prime time TV spot/full-page Sunday paper ads or is Big Tobacco Control picking up the tab? If not, Big Tobacco Control has no say in the design of these ads.

    The companies also must publish the statements on their websites and affix them to a certain number of cigarette packs three times per year for two years.

    I seriously doubt that Big Tobacco will contest this. Prime time TV spots and Sunday paper full pages are too good an opportunity to be missed! Bad publicity is much better than NO publicity.

    Apart from Big Tobacco re-gaining advertising space, Rose made a very good point:

    “Thank goodness anti-tobacco warned us never to believe a word that those wicked tobacco companies say.”

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