H/T Rose for David Hockney’s Guardian piece:
There are about 10 million adult smokers in the UK. None are professional. There are far too many professional anti-smokers whose aim is to get rid of smoking altogether. They will fail…
The figures for smoking have been the same for about four or five years now. This means that you have a hardcore of smokers – naughty people who should know better – who accept the fact that fate plays a part in life and know that to be obsessed with longevity is life-denying. There is only now.
The antismokers were out in force, naturally, coughing and spluttering.
Reading their comments, which were mostly variations on one or two familiar themes, I could only think that I no longer want to know people who think that tobacco smoke ‘stinks’, or that it ‘kills’, or that I’m an ‘addict’ because I smoke it. I have nothing to say to them. The gulf between us has become unbridgeable.
And at the same time, I couldn’t help but think that many such people used once to be friends of mine. There are probably any number of people that I’ve known and respected down the years who have now turned into antismokers. And now there is an unbridgeable gulf dividing us, where there was never one before.
They look on me in contempt and pity. And I look on them with the same contempt and pity.
And this seems to be the real disaster of the smoking ban. For we now have a divided society. And I see no prospect whatsoever of that division healing.
And it’s a division that has been created by antismoking zealots – many of them doctors -.
But apart from the antis, there were plenty of smokers commenting.
Mangostein 15 March 2013 9:56pm
I agree with David Hockney.
I cannot see the blanket smoking ban remaining in place indefinitely.
It’s only a matter of time until smoking licences for pubs are introduced.
I think this is true. Smokers have dug in their heels, and carried on smoking. In the end, the government will have to concede that this attempt at social engineering has failed, and it didn’t get smokers to quit smoking, and so reluctantly allowances will be made for them.
And then we’ll see just how divided society has become, as antismokers refuse to step inside ‘lethal’ smoking pubs, and smokers refuse to step inside non-smoking ones.
It’s a social division that most antismokers seem unable to contemplate. Yet it’s something that they themselves have created. They will have only themselves to blame.
Dave Copeland 15 March 2013 9:29pm
@rhysbala – One day, in the future, ‘passive smoking’ will be known as the greatest hoax of the 21st century. It’s a shame that the gullible sheeple can’t be arsed to look at the studies for themselves, instead of believing the lies, propaganda and scaremongering which emenates daily from the anti-smoking media. Trust the scientists! http://tctactics.org/index.php/Critical_Scientists
I think it’s a hoax too. And a far greater hoax than global warming. It’s a hundred year old hoax.
RichardBondel 15 March 2013 7:10pm
This thread just makes me glad I’m a smoker. The pious drivel the anti-smokers come out with would make me embarrassed to be one of them. No other section of society has to put up with insults about the way they smell. It’s smokism!
I’m glad I’m a smoker too.
ErnestMillerm 15 March 2013 5:13pm
I’m always terribly impressed by the furore this little issue causes. Black and white mentalities don’t seem to work too well do they? Why on earth the whole blanket smoking ban didn’t err on the side of … I don’t know… common sense, and just stipulate the bleeding obvious. “This is a smoking bar” and “This is a non smoking bar”, kind of like they do where I live. Seems to work pretty well.
taxhaven 15 March 2013 4:44pm
A large part of the difficulty here is that we are saddled with government-monopoly medicine, in the NHS.
It’s a coercive insurance scheme, in which everyone is forced to bear part of the cost of others’ treatment and care. Thus, people engaging in ‘damaging’ behaviours forcibly become a financial burden to those innocents who DO take good care of themselves but are compeled to pay into the system.
Get rid of state medicine and make all insurance, if wanted, voluntary and private.
Then this question will become a moot point.
This is perceptive. Because it is a result of having the state-run NHS. And it’s also because of this that we have all these doctors and experts telling people how to live. That’s what comes with top-down control.
Although it may not explain smoking bans in the USA, where most people need private medical insurance anyway.
I used to like the NHS. It seemed very benign. But these days it no longer seems at all benign, particularly for smokers. Or drinkers. Or fat people. Or anyone else deemed to be ‘unfit’.
I’m beginning to realise that, when medicine was privatised, you were one of your doctor’s customers, just as if he had been a car mechanic or a barkeeper. And like them, he wanted to do the best for you, and keep you happy. Because he wanted your custom.
But once medicine was socialised, your doctor no longer relied on your custom. He no longer needed to keep you happy, or do his best for you. And so he gradually turned into a little tyrant, more interested in telling you how to live your life, than ameliorating your aches and pains. He could no longer be bothered with you.
And you could no longer be bothered with him.
Deeplyconcernced 15 March 2013 5:10pm
I love my bacon,my real full fat milk, my freshly churned full fat butter, full fat cheeses of all types. Real bread, peanut butter (not the cheap sugary ones), I love my daily red wine, my gin and tonic at coctail hour, and my nightcap of whisky. I also love my after dinner cigarette with real fresh coffee and chocolates. Nothing is low fat, or pretending to be.
I am thin as rake, I walk for miles with my dog. I dont do the sad threadmill exercises on my own.
I also dont want to live for the sake of the desperate need to reach the magic 100th year, I want a full life of enjoyment, happiness and to enjoy each day with all my vices and virtues intact. If I have a short life…I die happy with good food, and etc…You guys have no business to tell me otherwise.
But knowing my luck I will continue to enjoy all of the above and reach 100th year regardless.. newspapers of the future will ask me the same question asked of the past humnas to lived before up and beyond 100th year…”What is your secret of a long life?”
The answer is simple. Dont overeat, enjoy your life and have a tipple and sneaky smoke. be happy. Love yourself and your pets. Reject those humans that want to harm you and tell you what to eat, or not eat…bugger off and leave me alone.
That’s a nice one to sign off on.