The New Justification for the EU

I dropped in a link to a BBC interview with Tony Blair from a few days back into the comments today, and have been thinking on and off about it all day. The key passage, that starts about 2 minutes 15 secs in, has Blair speaking:

…the rationale for Europe is not about peace – that was my father’s generation -. The rationale for Europe today is power. In a world of China with over 1.3 billion people and India with over a billion, and increasingly because of mobile capital and technology, y’know, the weight of your country’s economy is linked to your population, so in time to come Britain – 60 million people, y’know, a small island nation – if we want to exercise weight and influence and power in the world why would we separate ourselves from the biggest political union and the largest business market right on our doorstep.

There was quite a lot in there, but the main thing that jumped out of it for me was that the justification for the EU was no longer peace. I wonder when that happened? And I wonder when the British people will be told? Perhaps they’ve just been told by ex-PM Blair.

He’s quite right, I think, to say that it’s not about peace, because there was precious little likelihood of war in Europe after it was divided into an eastern communist bloc, and a western capitalist bloc, with both sides aiming missiles at each other. The sovereign states of Europe, which had been major players up until 1945, had become pawns in a larger political struggle.

Nevertheless, lots of people still think that it’s the primary justification for Europe and the EU.

The new justification, we are now told, is power. If Europe can be welded together into a political unit comparable in population to the USA and China and India, it will be able to take its place at the “top table” alongside the other big players.

But is this ad hoc new justification any better than the original justification? Is power and influence exerted in the world proportional to the population underpinning it? Not really. Both China and China had large populations throughout the 20th century, but neither exerted much influence until they modernised their economies. And the USA with a population of a third of either of these two countries has exerted enormous power and influence, perhaps in large part because it’s always been one of the most technological advanced and innovative economies in the world.

Furthermore, the world’s 1.5 billion smokers exert no influence whatsoever.

It doesn’t really quite add up as a powerful new justification for the EU. In fact, it seems over-simplistic. And I suspect that the real, unstated justification is simply that the European political class (of which Tony Blair is a member) have set their sights on this union because of the benefits that it offers to them in terms of their own enrichment, and in terms of the new power and influence it permits them over their own peoples. The EU has created a new political playground, almost completely devoid of democratic oversight, in which politicians can do more or less anything they like. What’s there not to like in that for an aspiring tyrant?

And indeed the political class of Europe now have their attention almost exclusively focused on Brussels. This was apparent yesterday when it emerged that gay marriage was part of the European agenda, and that David Cameron was simply acting to keep it on schedule with the agreed timetable, and didn’t even bother to how up for the debate in his own parliament.

Because the flip side of this focus on Europe is that the European political class are now badly neglecting their home constituencies. Spain and Greece and Italy now have very high unemployment rates, and growing civil strife, which their governments could have done something about had they had their own currencies rather than the euro. But such is their devotion to the European ‘project’ that they are perfectly happy to sacrifice their own peoples in order to advance the cause of the EU and its euro currency.

The same is true of the smoking bans that have been multiplying throughout Europe, largely with EU encouragement (even if the EU has yet to implement its own EU-wide smoking ban, complete with show trials for prominent offenders, that was passed in the European parliament). These also provided a way for politicians to demonstrate their loyalty and devotion to the EU, by sacrificing a quarter or a third of their own citizens.

For if the EU is good for the European political class in manifold ways, it’s no good for the peoples of Europe in equally manifold ways. In fact, it appears to many of them as an unaccountable and irremovable tyranny over which they have less power and influence than they did with their former sovereign democratic states. The gain in power and influence for the European political class has been paid for through a loss of power and influence for the peoples of Europe, much as if power was a commodity in short supply, like energy or water.

And this is what will ultimately negate the EU project. It might have succeeded if the political class had built it from the bottom up as a grassroot European popular movement. But they have instead built it as a top-down elite political project. It is an elite project for the political elite. Ordinary citizens are simply ignored when they vote against it in referendums, or told to vote again until they come up with the ‘right’ answer. It’s this lack of popular support that will undermine the EU, because the people of Europe are not underpinning its claim to global power and influence. And this makes an empty pretence of all such claims.  After all, how can the EU possibly succeed – even in its own blinkered elite global power-political terms – when it has acted to demonise and exclude one third of its own citizens – the smokers -?

When Tony Blair first arrived on the British political scene 15 – 20 years ago, he offered a attractive populist message. New Labour was the ‘people’s party’. But that was then. He is no longer a popular politician these days. He has joined the European political class (he was angling to become European president a few years ago). And he has become a wealthy man. And he now spends his life giving speeches before paying audiences all round the world. He more or less personifies the sort of politician who uses a populist platform as a way into political life, and then abandons the voters who put him there.

All the people who have been crawling out of the woodwork in recent weeks in the UK to drum up support for the EU are people with vested interests in it – like Blair and Mandelson and numerous wealthy magnates like Richard Branson. It would be much more compelling if they found a few trawlermen in Grimsby, or farmers in Herefordshire, to voice their support for Europe. But there don’t seem to be any of these.

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  1. harleyrider1978 says:

    Meanwhile the Currency wars are hard at attack around the world Chile today devalued its money along with a few others over the last week including Switzerland! The begining of a depression starts with the devaluations of currencies as it did in the last great depression. America was the final frontier in that devaluation and led to the recall 2/3rds of the national currency in 1933.

    The EU is at its cliff as greece,italy,spain,portugal cant devalue as long as their stuck in the EU. The tilt is here and we shall see shortly what it delivers………

  2. smokervoter says:

    Sir Richard Branson, famed Virgin Airlines entrepreneur, is an ex-smoker who has publicly acknowledged his ADHD. He’s also been a long-time advocate of Carr’s approach.

    Richard Branson Celebrity Testimonial

    Amazingly enough, despite the usual Windows ME/Firefox 2.0 penalty and subsequent banishment from all things audio/video, it actually played.

    “If you do quit smoking you’re doing something great for yourself and for your life.”

    You’re welcome to speak for yourself there, Sir Richard. I once quit for 34 days and turned into a raving monster. My ex-wife pleaded with me to quit quitting. I resumed and have never looked back. Everyone’s cost/benefit analysis is unique.

    Unlike you and Tony and Barack and David, I’ve also not turned around and joined up with the blood-thirsty lynch mob going after my old smoking friends. With friends like you guys, who needs enemies.

    I like to smoke. Fancy that, now will ya’.

  3. smokingscot says:

    Interesting you should mention the ordinary people Frank.

    It’s a worring issue in Scotland and I believe Subrosa’s post reflects the feelings of many.

    http://subrosa-blonde.blogspot.com/2013/01/calm-down-dear.html

  4. Margo says:

    Good one, Frank. The EU was always about power, from the start. When Blair says ‘it’s no longer about peace …’ I think he means: ‘we no longer pretend it’s about peace …’
    After the 2nd world war, the last thing Europe wanted was another one. No need for an organisation to ensure it.
    I think the EU always was about turning Europe into one big country with the might to dominate others when required and compete with the USA and Russia. All the little people and their interests are sacrificed for that.
    I don’t know what Blair meant about the power/population remark – look at the British Empire – little England once dominated most of the known world.

    • Frank Davis says:

      It is odd that Scottish politicians like Salmond want out of the oppressive union with England, but want in to the oppressive union with Europe. But I suppose that Salmond is as enamoured of Europe as many of his Westminster counterparts, and so is really just a politician like any other.

      The upcoming Italian election should be interesting. EU placeman Mario Monti called an election recently, and Silvio Berlusconi (whom he ousted a year ago) has bounced back with what is by all accounts a highly effective anti-EU campaign, while Monti is proving an ineffective speaker and leader. Here’s a politician who seems to be tapping into rising anti-EU sentiment. I suspect that more of them will appear soon, all over Europe. They might even find that they win support among Europe’s dispossessed smokers.

  5. Rose says:

    It’s very quiet round here today and I have been taking stock of the last couple of days.

    I am coming to the conclusion that many Labour MPs may have leapt into a massive trap.
    Their voting demographic has changed, but they are acting as if their core voters will still vote for anything wearing a red rosette.

    ” He wrote: “Earlier drafts I saw also included a driving political purpose: that mass immigration was the way that the Government was going to make the UK truly multicultural.”
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/6418456/Labour-wanted-mass-immigration-to-make-UK-more-multicultural-says-former-adviser.html

    I wonder how married couples all over the country are feeling now they have had their marriages “redefined” for them?

    Here’s one of our local papers.

    Majority of local MPs back gay marriage

    “The vast majority of MPs in the Bradford district last night backed a controversial Bill to legalise gay marriage – but three of them, two Tories and one Labour, voted ‘no’”.
    http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/10207835.Majority_of_local_MPs_back_gay_marriage/

    If anyone is interested in exactly who decided to redefine your marriage, here’s the list.

    The full list of MPs voting for or against the government’s same-sex marriage legislation.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21346694

    My MP is toast as far as I’m concerned, he voted yes for an EU referendum but also voted against Mr Nuttall’s Bill when he could at least have had the decency to abstain and has now voted to “redefine” my marriage against my will.

    Enough is enough,I do hope someone from UKIP will be standing here at the next election.

    • Rose says:

      Apparently this is how they are planning to “redefine” marriage in France.

      “The draft law states that “marriage is a union of two people, of different or the same gender”.

      “It says all references to “mothers and fathers” in the civil code – which enshrines French law – will be swapped for simply “parents”.

      “President Francois Hollande pledged in his manifesto to legalise gay marriage. The draft law will be presented to his cabinet for approval on October 31″.
      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/9563543/France-set-to-ban-the-words-mother-and-father-from-official-documents.html

      • Margo says:

        Personally, Rose, my own definition of ‘marriage’ would be: an officially recognised union between two people. I don’t care whether the’yre gay or straight. My only gripe here is that I don’t think politicians should be upsetting churches.

        • Rose says:

          Margo
          I find that I care a great deal about tradition, culture and the meaning of words.
          Once again if everyone in the country had been asked in a proper referendum about such a fundamental change , you wouldn’t have heard a word from me.

          But like the smoking ban, on massive cultural changes they never dare ask the country because they know what the answer will be.

          ‘Majority’ back total smoking ban
          “The majority of people in England and Wales back a complete ban on smoking in workplaces, a new survey has suggested.

          Action on Smoking and Health (Ash) and Cancer Research UK said 73% of the 1,000 people they surveyed said a ban should be applied without exception.”
          http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4172050.stm

          I wonder what imposition the “majority” will demand next.

        • beobrigitte says:

          With both, same sex marriage and the smoking ban, we have been told that the majority is in favour.

          The truth is – We weren’t asked. Someone somewhere signed a treaty and government ministers faked a vote on it. Is there a justification for having a government?

          What is wrong with NICE SMOKING-rooms in pubs? Nowadays smoking isn’t a problem, anyway! We have this wonderful air cleaning technology which works a treat. For the ultra-scared one might even separate the areas with a glass wall…

          What is wrong with civil partnership? Even couples that live together for a few years without any form of official documents are recognized as “common-law marriage.”
          Although I agree with Margo:
          Personally, Rose, my own definition of ‘marriage’ would be: an officially recognised union between two people. I don’t care whether the’yre gay or straight.
          I am aware a lot of people do not.

          Neither, the people against a smoking ban and the people against same sex marriage were listened to.
          We are all adults and are used to make choices and come up with compromises. Quite frankly, I resent being treated as if I wasn’t and I can’t.

      • Margo says:

        This’ll come in the wrong place, Rose. Just wanted to say I agree – we should have been asked, and we weren’t!

  6. harleyrider1978 says:

    Im telling you Frank the whole EU and UN take over and push for all these laws against us all is the financial collpase fixing to come. Its the one thing that will bring it all down and it means utter economic destruction. These rats are doing everything they can to save a sunken ship with all the pumping of currency trying to keep the great experiment alive. They dont give a rats ass if we all suffer or even starve in their pursuit of world rule.

  7. harleyrider1978 says:

    In kentucky yesterday the nazis on the health and welfare comittee pushed thru a bill for a statewide smoking ban. All three endorsers and author are on the same comittee,in fact every comittee member is from a smoking ban city except 2! They pumped thru a bill last year that was squashed in the legislature where it will likely be squashed again,especially after they had debate on the econimc harm of a ban in kentucky. The Nazis actually admitted it would cost the state revenues and do harm to a state that is on the verge of bankruptcy itself after Moodys downgraded the states financial state.

    Rep. Tom Burch [Chair]

    Rep. Julie Raque Adams [Vice Chair]

    Rep. Robert Benvenuti III [Vice Chair]

    Rep. David Watkins [Vice Chair]

    Rep. Addia Wuchner [Vice Chair]

    Rep. Bob M. DeWeese

    Rep. Kelly Flood

    Rep. Joni L. Jenkins

    Rep. Mary Lou Marzian

    Rep. Tim Moore

    Rep. Darryl T. Owens

    Rep. Ruth Ann Palumbo

    Rep. Ben Waide

    Rep. Russell Webber

    Rep. Susan Westrom
    http://www.lrc.ky.gov/Committee/standing/H&W%28H%29/members.htm

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      This is set on todays docket in the health and welfare comittee at 12 noon today where it will likely sale thru as it did last year and with only 10 days left of the session for this year.
      The session runs thru til march 26 unless sooner adjourned. There is little support for a statewide smoking ban in the legislature.

      HB 190/LM (BR 864) – S. Westrom, J. Adams, D. Watkins

      AN ACT prohibiting smoking in public places and places of employment.

      Create new sections of KRS Chapter 438 to prohibit indoor smoking in businesses, places of employment, and other listed public places; exempt private residences, unless used for child care or adult day care; permit smoking in designated nonenclosed areas; require posting of “no smoking” signs as specified locations; permit local governments to adopt stricter regulations by ordinance; provide for enforcement by all peace officers and health department employees; provide for the issuance of uniform citations for violation; require that employers and others not discriminate against persons reporting violations; provide for fines for violation; provide that fines go to the organization whose employee issued the citation; provide that no court costs or other fees be charged for violations; amend KRS 344.040, relating to unlawful practices by an employer, to add reference to state law, local, ordinance, or local board of health regulation relating to smoking; amend KRS 431.450, relating to uniform citations, to provide for issuing citation forms to health departments; authorize the department of Kentucky State Police to create and issue uniform smoking violation citations; create a new section of KRS Chapter 438 to exempt smoking laboratories where machines do the smoking; repeal various statutes permitting smoking in public buildings.

      Feb 5-introduced in House

      Feb 6-to Health & Welfare (H); posted in committee; posting waived

  8. harleyrider1978 says:

    The health and welfare comittee is pretty much made up of folks from Louisville and Lexington including Susan Westrom………….a stacked deck to say the least and why a ban bill got out last year and was killed by the legislature. It would truly seem the H&W comittee should be made up of member across the state not the big liberal cities who dont represent the tobacco farmers or the country folks of kentucky. We can rest assured the members were hand picked somewhere and to make sure these types of bills would get approval.

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      The Rep. Susan Westrom was on Public tv in a debate over this ban about 3 weeks ago and her and the Doctor they brought along were about as worn out looking as a troop can look. Hair in total disarray,faces sunken and when they were hitting their one liners about shs they kept staring like you believe us dont you…….. It was pathetic. I immediately sent in questions via email with the correct responces/answers to the questions and I even tried to call in but they were very careful to screen all calls in a stacked format. Yes the advocates got in 5 to 1 with their emotional rants of personal tragedies………Like I said it was pathetic and anyone of us could have taken down the whole debate in 2 mintues time flat! Ive hit every story that came up with vigor and fought every advocate they have sent to the comments of every story,they tend to make a hit and run comment and leave without defending their positions at all. Thats the way its getting everywhere,failure to defend undefendable claims………

      • Margo says:

        Commiserations, HR.

      • garyk30 says:

        “were about as worn out looking as a troop can look.”

        Gooood, they looked like the lying sacks of shit that they are!!!!

        They encourage hate and anger.

        If a Father smokes and his non-smoking wife dies of lung cancer, they are happy to have the kids hate their Father for having ’caused’ the Mother’s sad death.

        Those lying sacks of shit will never/ever/ under any circumstance mention that there is ONLY a 1 in 5 chance that a never-smoker’s lung cancer death was caused by SHS.

        They claim that a babies death from SIDS is due to SHS and joyfully let people suffer guilt and self-hate.

        The chances for SIDS are worse than lung cancer.

  9. cherie79 says:

    They have no answers, I am still waiting for any Dr. I have asked why, given all the smoke we grew up with, we are still the longest lived generation ever, none has been able to.

    • Margo says:

      I’ve been thinking about that. I don’t think this longevity thing is going to last. The current lot of people aged 80-100+ are a one-off generation. I think they’ve done well because they were born around 1920 or so and did their growing up between the wars and their maturing at a time when the air was still OK and (unlike earlier times) most of them had sufficient good fresh food, a job, a retirement pension, warmth and medical care. Since then, the air’s got progressively worse and the food more full of pesticides and what-have-you, and now you’re as likely as not to be poor and unemployed and without a pension – and unlikely to make it into great old age. That’s my theory!

      • garyk30 says:

        I was a kid and poor 60 years ago.
        The ‘Good Old Days’ were not that good.
        I have grown fond of electricity and indoor plumbing.
        The poor today, including the elderly, have things much better today than back then.

        The air wasn’t cleaner back then.
        Ask Rose for data on the air in London in 1950′s.

        The sad part of living longer is that a great number/percentage of older people are not living happy/fullfilling lives.

        They are just existing.

        • Rose says:

          A snapshot

          Mortality in the London Boroughs, 1950—52, with Special Reference to Respiratory Disease

          “The greatest proportionate departure from expectation occurred in the respiratory section of the I.C.D.”

          “Thus bronchitis and pneumonia produced well over 4,000 excess deaths in London during 1950-52.
          But this was by no means the whole of the excess attributed to diseases of the respiratory system, for more than half of the excess deaths in the malignant section of the I.C.D. were caused by cancer of the trachea, bronchus, and lung.
          In addition there was an excess of more than 500 deaths from respiratory tuberculosis.

          Taken together these four diseases of the respiratory system yielded 6,513 more deaths than would have occurred at the rates ruling in England and Wales generally, an excess of 37.3 percent.”

          “It is interesting to note the parallel between these figures and those of a recent study of cancer among British immigrants in New Zealand ( Eastcott, 1956)

          Compared with the native born population, British immigrants had an excessive risk of death from cancer of the lung (but no other site),and this excess was sufficiently greater for persons who had lived in Britain until they were 30 years old than for those who migrated at an earlier age.

          Thus emerges from both studies a consistent relationship between duration of exposure to the putatively noxious environment and risk of later death from respiratory disease.”
          http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1058618/?page=4

          Historic smog death toll rises

          “Officials believe that as many as 12,000 people may have died in the great London smog of 1952.”

          “He says a shortage of coffins and high sales of flowers were the first indications that many people were being killed”

          “Maureen Scholes, a nurse at the Royal London Hospital at the time, recalls being unable to see from one end of the ward to the other because of the pollution.
          “You couldn’t see along the corridor that you walked in when you came on duty.
          “You couldn’t see actually from one end of the ward to the other and it’s not that enormous a length.”
          http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2545747.stm

          Air Pollution and The Great London Smog
          http: //www.forces.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=363&t=1590&
          sid=7cfbfa4ebd0cec1e1affbce25bf868c8

          People don’t always realise that these were the conditions when Doll was singling out smoking.

        • Margo says:

          Oh, I’m not saying they’re happily old! And if you didn’t live in the London smog the air probably was cleaner in many ways and the food was better.

        • Rose says:

          It was much the same around every industrial town, Margo

          I remember those smogs and the plumes of smoke from the factory chimneys,but though I lived out in the country,even the stone field walls were black from the smoke that blew from the city, on some buildings it still hasn’t quite washed off yet.

          Here’s one from my neck of the woods, when I was 8.

          Yorkshire Post-1962

          “In the great London smog of 1952, some 4,000 people, mostly elderly, died. It was said to be the worst peace-time disaster in the capital since the Great Fire of London.

          Lessons were learned but on the 10th anniversary, the smog descended on Yorkshire and it was found not too much seemed to have changed. On December 6, in certain parts of Leeds, the sulphur dioxide concentrations were higher than the lethal levels recorded in London a decade earlier.”

          “LONDON and Leeds were the areas worst hit by smog yesterday. In London last night the number of deaths neared the 70 mark and in Leeds over 50 people were in hospital “acutely ill” with respiratory illness”

          “The Department of Scientific and Industrial Research also said that the sulphur dioxide concentration was six and five times higher than normal.

          Pollution compared to that of the 1952 smog, the experts said. But without the Clean Air Act conditions would have been worse than in 1952.

          In the Kirkstall Road area of Leeds, the sulphur dioxide concentration was greater than that registered in London in 1952. At 5,185 microgrammes per cubic metre it was the highest ever registered in the city.
          The smoke content of the air has decreased since the last bad smog in 1959 said Mr RA Dalley the city’s analyst. This was due to the smoke control zone.”

          “Fog mixed with smoke, chemicals and fumes, such as the major industrial conurbations and London have suffered in the last three days, damages lung tissue, stomach lining, nasal passages.
          Children’s lungs so damaged “will never be the same again”.

          “United States has turned many once grim, grimy, lethal industrial cities into shining, clean places where it is not only a joy to live but is also safe to live. Not so Britain. The Clean Air Act was passed over six years ago. Local authorities were vested with full powers to enforce smokeless zones.

          They have done very little. They have preferred to enlarge small difficulties into major obstacles; they have temporised. By so doing, they have put the health and well-being of those to whom and for whom they are responsible in hazard. They are responsible for deaths by smog”
          http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/250th-an … eID=896717 (no longer available)

        • Rose says:

          Mind you, I did love the steam trains!

  10. garyk30 says:

    It would slow politicians down if they were limited to two terms in office and if their personal monies had to be put into a non-touchable trust and they had to live on a salary that was no higher than the average worker’s salary.

    The ‘burocritters’ in the various govts would face the same salary limitations.

    More attention would be made to improving the life of the average worker and less to stupid/nanny regulations.

  11. harleyrider1978 says:

    Drauchy devalued the EURO today as did several other countries!

  12. smokervoter says:

    I’m dragging this over from Harley’s last comment on yesterday’s Traitors posting. I figured 67 was enough for one day.

    Overheard at the UCSF Tobacco Control Symposium during the presentation “Quarterbacking Behind the Scenes: The Tobacco Industry’s Role in Shaping the Tea Party,” by Amanda Fallin, PhD, RN, a postdoctoral fellow;

    Quarterbacking, what on earth is a quarterback?

    It’s the player who takes the hike and then either passes, hands-off or runs with the football.

    The football? Oh, is that somewhat similar to the shuttlecock and the server in Badminton?

    Yes, somewhat similar but much more violent, unsafe and therefore ultimately unhealthy.

    We’ve got a flag football program here at UCSF, but we’re thinking of eliminating it next year. There’s been reports of hyper-extended finger injuries from overly aggressive flag removals by some defensive players. There’s no safe level of flag football if you ask me.

    And what about badminton and those dangerous, high velocity flying shuttlecocks causing blunt force head trauma I’ve been hearing about.

    Well, we’re going to experiment with badminton helmets, eye protection and shin guards, but if they fail to cut down on injuries it’ll be gone, right along with flag football.

    Goodness gracious, and just in time to save precious lives!

    Yes.

  13. harleyrider1978 says:

    NRA’s bill to ban anti-gun lobbying would cripple anti-smoking programs

    The American Cancer Society says that a bill being pushed by the National Rifle Association (NRA) in Kansas to ban lobbying against guns would also restrict anti-smoking and anti-drinking programs.

    State Senate Bill 45 prevents “any money appropriated by the state legislature” from being used to “promote any proposed, pending or future federal, state or local tax increase, or any proposed, pending, or future requirement or restriction on any legal consumer product, including its sale or marketing, including, but not limited to, the advocacy or promotion of gun control.”

    Democratic state Sen. David Haley told The Topeka Capital-Journal that in its effort to block gun control, the NRA was supporting language that prevents state dollars from being used against “any legal consumer product,” which means that the measure that would also “stop doing what has already been working well” to curb the abuse of alcohol and tobacco.

    Raw Story (http://s.tt/1zuVe)

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      The above is a law that would wipe out the UK sock puppets in one stroke!

    • garyk30 says:

      “abuse of alcohol and tobacco.”

      Are beer bottles and cigarettes being tortured and beaten?

      Here is an example of abuse.

      The American Cancer Society(ACS) states that 80-90% of lung cancer deaths are caused by smoking. Deaths to ex-smokers are included in those numbers.

      The ACS knows that 70% of ex-smokers have the same probability of lung cancer as never-smokers and 70% of their lung cancer deaths are NOT caused by smoking.

      That 70% is 50% of the deaths said to caused by smoking and 42% of the total lung cancer deaths.

      That is abusing tobacco and smokers!!!!

  14. Rose says:

    A lot of anti-alcohol activists over here will have been waiting for this.

    Sharp drop in drink deaths follows alcohol price rise – Canada

    “The findings will be keenly scrutinized by alcohol policy makers, particularly in Britain where the government plans to introduce a minimum price on alcohol to try to clamp down on binge drinking and anti-social behavior. The United States does not currently set a minimum alcohol price.”

    John Holmes of the alcohol research group at Britain’s University of Sheffield said Stockwell’s study was a major contribution to evidence about minimum alcohol pricing and gave a “strong indication that the policy has reduced the consumption levels of those drinking at hazardous and harmful levels.”
    http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/02/07/sharp-drop-in-drink-deaths-follows-alcohol-price-rise/

    Deaths attributable to alcohol fall with rise in minimum price, study finds

    A 10% increase in the average minimum price of alcohol was associated with a 32% reduction in wholly alcohol attributable deaths, a Canadian study has found.
    http://www.bmj.com/content/346/bmj.f825

    You can just imagine their excited faces as they rush off to the Department of Health, study in hand.

  15. harleyrider1978 says:

  16. harleyrider1978 says:

    Just like I been saying all along get ready currency wars are the first sign of a comming depression

    Currency Wars Return, 1930s Style: Who Will Lose Out?

    As countries try to weaken their currencies to boost exports, the risk of a currency war similar to events seen in the 1930s has heightened, and policymakers are making sure they are on the winning side, according to Morgan Stanley.

    The balance of power now rests with Japan, according to the bank, as Japan’s policy-makers’ more dovish approach looks set to bring the world a step closer to a currency war.

    The Bank of Japan doubled its inflation target to 2 percent in January and made an open-ended commitment to continue buying assets from next year. This follows a leadership change, with new Prime Minister Shinzo Abe openly calling for aggressive monetary stimulus from the country’s central bank.

    This move, Morgan Stanley said, is a “game changer” as Japan tries to invigorate its stagnating economy .

    “If a weaker yen is an important pillar of the strategy to make this export-oriented economy more competitive again, it brings into the picture something that was missing from earlier interactions among central banks of the advanced economies – competitive depreciation,” it said in a research note.

    “This, in turn, takes us one step closer to a currency war.”
    Manoj Pradhan, an economist at the bank details the 1930s war and highlights the lessons that we can learn from the past.

    The U.K. was the first to leave the gold standard on September 19, 1931 due to painfully high unemployment. Sterling depreciated, setting off a volatile chain of events with the U.S., Norway, Sweden, France and Germany all following suit.

    Those countries that moved early benefited at the expense of others on the gold bloc, a “beggar-thy-neighbor” outcome, according to Pradhan.

    “Similarly, it is the domestic agenda that could drive competitive depreciation today,” he said.

    “Since global demand is likely to remain sluggish, a revival of Japan’s export sector on the back of yen weakness is likely to eat into the market share of other exporters – something that could well invite measures to curb significant weakening of the yen.”

    (Read More: What Could Really Spark a Currency War)

    In a detailed scenario of what could follow, Pradhan highlights that the European Central Bank and the Federal Reserve would ease further, using quantitative easing to dampen euro strength and debt ceiling fears.

    Capital controls could be brought in by Latin American and other Asian economies, he said, which could be transaction taxes or even some sort of verbal interaction.

    “In the particularly interesting cases of Korea and Taiwan, our economist Sharon Lam believes that verbal intervention (already under way to some extent), intervention in the foreign exchange markets and capital controls represent the most likely policy reactions,” he said, adding that the emerging markets of Colombia, Mexico, Peru and Chile have even u-turned towards a more dovish stance.

    (Read More: Why Currency Wars Might Be Coming)

    “While a currency war is not our base case, the new-found commitment of Japan’s policy-makers does raise the risk of retaliatory action to keep the yen weak,” he said.

    “The experience of the 1930s suggests to us that such large currency crises are likely triggered by domestic issues, and that they do create distinct winners and losers. EM (emerging market) policy-makers are already gearing up to make sure they remain on the winning side, but the balance of power for now rests with Japan.”
    http://www.cnbc.com/id/100441340

  17. harleyrider1978 says:

    Fed Has Bought More U.S. Debt This Year Than Treasury Issued…

    http://cnsnews.com/news/article/fed-has-bought-more-us-gov-t-debt-year-treasury-has-issued

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