European Values

A comment by roobeedoo yesterday drew attention to a new EU proposal:

A European Union report has urged tight press regulation and demanded that Brussels officials are given control of national media supervisors with new powers to enforce fines or the sacking of journalists.

The “high level” recommendations that will be used to draft future EU legislation also attack David Cameron for failing to automatically implement proposals by the Lord Justice Leveson inquiry for a state regulation of British press.

A “high level” EU panel, that includes Latvia’s former president and a former German justice minister, was ordered by Neelie Kroes, European Commission vice-president, last year to report on “media freedom and pluralism”. It has concluded that it is time to introduce new rules to rein in the press.

“All EU countries should have independent media councils,” the report concluded.

“Media councils should have real enforcement powers, such as the imposition of fines, orders for printed or broadcast apologies, or removal of journalistic status.”

As well as setting up state regulators with draconian powers, the panel also recommended that the European Commission be placed in overall control in order to ensure that the new watchdogs do not breach EU laws.

“The national media councils should follow a set of European-wide standards and be monitored by the Commission to ensure that they comply with European values,” the report said.

So now they want to regulate the media, in order to ensure compliance with ‘European values’.

Douglas Carswell, the Conservative MP for Clacton, attacked the report for making an “extraordinary, and deeply disturbing proposal”.

“Having EU officials overseeing our free press – and monitoring newspapers to ensure they comply with “European values” – would be quite simply intolerable,” he said.

“This is the sort of mind-set that I would expect to find in Iran, not the West. This kooky idea tells us little about the future of press regulation. It does suggest that the European project is ultimately incompatible with the notion of a free society.”

What are “European values”? One may be fairly sure that “European values” will include a commitment to the EU and all its institutions. But “European values” might include any number of other elements. The EU Commission, for example, has proposed a Europe-wide smoking ban, and this has been ratified by the European Parliament, although it is not yet mandatory on member states. Are antismoking measures one of the elements of “European values”? Most likely they are. And who knows what other “European values” there might be?” These values might be anything at all. Nobody may have heard of any of them before.

It’s deeply disturbing that the EU now wishes to regulate not just standards for the packaging of potatoes and carrots, but also the moral standards and values of ordinary men and women. But then, once the width of roads and the diameter of wheels have been standardized and regulated, it is a small step for the regulatory bureaucratic mindset to move on to standardize and regulate the beliefs and behaviours of the people who use those roads and wheels.

Yet our own “Conservative” Prime Minister wants Britain to remain a part of this controlling, bureaucratic, EU state. He wishes us to do so because he believes that full British participation will enable Britain to influence the construction of the regulatory manacles that will be used to control and restrict ordinary Britons. He wants the British prisoners in the EU prison state to have some say in the design their own cells, and have some influence over the number of bars in the cell windows and the number of sackcloth blankets on the bed. Not like the Norwegians, who have no say at all: not even over the colour of the paint on the walls.

Nor is he alone in this. Both the Labour party and the Liberal Democrat party want Britain to remain members. The entire British political class is committed to the EU. Which is one reason why it makes no difference what mainstream political party anyone votes for, because the outcome will be the same whichever they mark their cross beside.

And because the Prime Minister and most of the MPs in parliament are fully committed to the EU, they will of course endorse this latest EU proposal to regulate the media. They have, after all, endorsed more or less everything else.

And if it should seem unlikely that anyone should wish to control and regulate the beliefs and values of ordinary people, it should be pointed out that the 5-year-old UK smoking ban is precisely such an attempt to control and regulate and re-educate ordinary people in respect of their (decidedly un-European) tobacco use. And the entire British political class has supported this control and regulation.

So it’s already happening, and has been happening for 5 years. And if  the 70-80% of non-smoking Britons haven’t noticed this yet, it is probably because they already have been thoroughly re-educated about the evils of tobacco over the past 50 years, and it is only the remaining 20% or so of reprobate smokers on whom the control and regulation and re-education measures now fall.

The British political class has already shown that it is willing and able to demonize and marginalise some 20-25% of its own population. It should have no difficulty in trampling  over the rest, should its EU masters require it.

We are going to have to oust the entire British political class. They no longer represent ordinary Britons. And certainly in the case of smokers, they have no wish to represent them.  And they are all in the pocket of the EU.

Quite how they might be ousted is another question.

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31 Responses to European Values

  1. Phil J says:

    The EU will have us building little Lubyanka’s all over the place soon!

  2. mactheknife says:

    “They no longer represent ordinary Britons.”

    Not one of them knows what an ordinary Brit is. They don’t know us, they don’t talk to us; and if they do they don’t listen. Hang and burn the lot…

  3. harleyrider1978 says:

    Heres your problem, Europe isnt England nor was it raised English. It doesnt understand its people,traditions or its culture. In fact the EU doesnt have a cultural pact for anyone except an agenda of takeover and trampling sovreign rights of the people. You can put any country in the EU in the blank where England is and its the same game. Your no longer a country of free Englishmen,your pawns and markers of the EU. Not subjects of the queen,she is now a subject of the EU….. If that doesnt piss you off enuf to fight the bastards in the EU. Perhaps your own personal liberty and rights are. Nationalism is the key to independence from the clutches of the EU. Its time to rise up and fight!

    Ok Thats enuf treason talk for tonight…….I got my own problems with Amerika!

  4. Rose says:

    Today’s news.

    The Anti-Smoking Campaign Could Offer Bold Approach To Fighting Obesity

    “Callahan says that the public health community can learn from one of the most successful public health campaigns: the anti-smoking campaign. A primary strategy has been to stigmatize smokers, he says, making it clear that their behavior is not only unhealthy for them but is also socially unacceptable. While the public health community has decisively rejected the stigmatization of obesity, Callahan directly challenges that rejection.

    In “Obesity: Chasing an Elusive Epidemic,” * an article in the Hastings Center Report, Callahan says that what he calls “stigmatization lite,” if used carefully, could provide an important strategy in the strikingly unsuccessful effort to help the 67 percent of Americans who are overweight or obese lose weight.”

    “Callahan does not deny that stigmatization can do harm, such as increasing the risk of discrimination in the workplace and health care. But he believes that that risk would be minimized by “stigmatization lite,” in which people who are overweight consider the threat of discrimination itself as a danger to be avoided: “don’t let this happen to you!”

    http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/255261.php

    I would be ashamed to even think such a thing let alone say it publicly, they are really getting emboldened now.

    “A primary strategy has been to stigmatize smokers,”
    A public confession at last.

    • roobeedoo2 says:

      What fat people need to do is to find these bully-boys and then physically sit on them. Just who’ll have the weight problem then?

      After reading that, I’m wistfully imagining finding the anti-smoking scum that started this healthist pogrom so I can blow smoke in their face (whilst my fat friend sits on them).

    • Rose says:

      I was brought up too well to behave like these people, over time society developed the principle of good manners mostly to stop us killing each other and breakdown in society they are encouraging is unlikely to be limited to just a few of their chosen targets.

      Nurses must respect patients: new campaign

      “Nurses need to respect patients’ “basic human rights” and treat them with dignity, according to a new hospital care campaign.”

      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/8876654/Nurses-must-respect-patients-new-campaign.html

      How can they when the governments own laws require that they treat certain patients with indifference, cruelty and disrespect?

      2005
      “Patients caught smoking inside or outside hospitals face being discharged under new government legislation, which will abolish hospital smoking rooms and encourage a total ban in all grounds.

      The controversial “zero tolerance” plans are part of a new Bill, which will make all hospitals smoke-free by the end of 2006.
      In London, the deadline will be a year earlier, health officials announced last week.

      Patients too frail to endure low temperatures outside will be offered “nicotine replacement therapy” in the form of gum and patches. Other measures will include putting up “older person” signs around hospitals for patients crossing busy roads to smoke.”

      http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/patients-face-discharge-from-hospital-in-total-smoking-ban-491654.html

    • prog says:

      ‘Stigmatization lite’. I use Autocad lite, much cheaper then the full version but fewer functions. Once the anti fatties get enough funding they’ll simply upgrade. Just like the anti smokers.

      • roobeedoo2 says:

        And if ‘stigmatization lite’ don’t work, they can upgrade to ‘stigmatization full-fat’. Pun intended.

        • prog says:

          Yep. They will given half a chance. And, seeing that it looks more likely that tobacco may not be too related to many illnesses, they need new scapegoats and it’ll be nigh on impossible for the overweight to be secret food addicts. But, as I have stated before, unfortunately smokers actually need more groups to be targeted, so that far more people are made aware how the fascists lie and persecute. Then, maybe the political agenda and corruption of the tobacco control industry will be subject to closer public scrutiny. If that is destroyed perhaps everyone can all look forward to regained freedom. I seriously believe that – get rid of TC and the whole house of cards would collapse.

        • roobeedoo2 says:

          TC really was the thin end of the wedge. My dad always warned me to be wary it.

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      They have a comments section:

      Title: AN ACT TO PROHIBIT CERTAIN FOOD ESTABLISHMENTS FROM SERVING FOOD TO ANY PERSON WHO IS OBESE, BASED ON CRITERIA PRESCRIBED BY THE STATE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH; TO DIRECT THE DEPARTMENT TO PREPARE WRITTEN MATERIALS THAT DESCRIBE AND EXPLAIN THE CRITERIA FOR DETERMINING WHETHER A PERSON IS OBESE AND TO PROVIDE THOSE MATERIALS TO THE FOOD ESTABLISHMENTS; TO DIRECT THE DEPARTMENT TO MONITOR THE FOOD ESTABLISHMENTS FOR COMPLIANCE WITH THE PROVISIONS OF THIS ACT; AND FOR RELATED PURPOSES.

      • harleyrider1978 says:

        Ah damn it lost half my comment!

        • harleyrider1978 says:

          They chopped my comment and removed my 2008 fat ban law from mississippi then added this at the end from the moderator!

          Criminal Law Vs Lifestyle Choises
          posted by John on 24 Jan 2013 at 4:51 am

          The Anti-smoking camapaign has been a worldwide failure. The smoking rates are increasing globally while cigarette manufacturing is growing by leaps and bounds. The tobacco Blackmarket born from high taxation has cost the revenue depts 100s of billions of dollars globally thru loss of revenue and enforcement costs alone.

          The Life cost savings that have been extrapolated via ”Junk Cost Savings studies” are mere portraits of an agenda that lost its factual path many years before. The smoking and obesity societal costs are all over the place with fancy terminology never seen before.

          To place whats truly going on is to simply state ”EUGENICS” Culling the Human Herd so to speak. Desirable beautiful people that think progressivly are whom we desire and those not in the lower orders of human existence. If you cant be beaten into submission we will criminalize you for existing ie, Smoking Bans. We will use our entire might to create a fear that never was to stigmatize you by all others. Our government backed hate agenda will chase and break you regardless of sanctuary your Home. We will drag you from your beds,take your children in the nite and publicly ostrasize you as unfit for the mere act of smoking. You will be labelled ”CHILD ABUSERS” for smoking around children……

          This is what the moderator added when they removed the Miss, FAT bill:

          Then moving onto the obese we will simply BANNISH YOU and throw away the key!

        • harleyrider1978 says:

          Please note: we reserve the right to make amendments and edits to any opinions.

        • Rose says:

          Shaming fat people into losing weight is the only way to solve obesity epidemic, leading health academic claims

          http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2267715/Shaming-fat-people-losing-weight-way-solve-obesity-epidemic-leading-health-academic-claims.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

          The Mail is strangely quiet on the stigmatizing smokers part though, usually they are quite enthusiastic.

    • nisakiman says:

      While the public health community has decisively rejected the stigmatization of obesity…

      So why has the public health community “decisively rejected the stigmatization of obesity” yet positively embraced the stigmatisation of smokers? Is it that (as prog points out below) this is just the opening gambit, and they don’t want to show their cards too soon? Probably. If that guy gets his way we’ll soon be seeing all sorts of vitriol directed at overweight people in comments sections, laws banning them from restaurants and insults openly directed at them as they go about their daily business. Jobs will be denied them as will health care. What a wonderful world these people want to create.

      People like the self-righteous preaching prat Callahan need to be dragged out into the street and be given a public flogging. And even that is only a fraction of the misery he would like to inflict on others. Arsehole.

      • Rose says:

        It all begins to make sense.

        Fat-shaming may curb obesity, bioethicist says

        “Weight-acceptance advocates and doctors who treat obesity reacted swiftly to the plan proposed by Callahan, a trim 82-year-old.

        “For him to argue that we need more stigma, I don’t know what world he’s living in,” said Deb Burgard, a California psychologist specializing in eating disorders and a member of the advisory board for the National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance.

        “He must not have any contact with actual free-range fat people,” she added.”

        “Still, Callahan, a former smoker, argued that public shunning of those who lit up led to plunging rates of cigarette use. People were asked to smoke outside and told directly or indirectly that their “nasty” habit was socially unacceptable.

        “The force of being shamed and beat upon socially was as persuasive for me to stop smoking as the threats to my health,” he wrote. “The campaign to stigmatize smoking was a great success turning what had been considered simply a bad habit into reprehensible behavior.”

        http://todayhealth.today.com/_news/2013/01/24/16664866-fat-shaming-may-curb-obesity-bioethicist-says?pc=20&sp=60#discussion_nav

        Pay back?

        • Rose says:

          It’s beginning to look like it.

          What’s wrong with subjecting obese Americans to the same stigmatization that smokers are?
          July 15, 2011

          “Hey, fatty! Pull that doughnut out of your pie hole! You look like a pig, and you are costing me, and every other taxpayer, billions of dollars in unnecessary health care each year!’’

          How do you like my new public service ad campaign, designed to stigmatize the overweight and the obese in the same way smokers have been made to feel the knout of social opprobrium for the past quarter-century?

          I got the idea when I heard professor Daniel Callahan, the retired cofounder of the Hastings Center, a bioethics research institution, speak on a radio program about two weeks ago. Why aren’t overeaters subject to the same stigmatization as smokers?, he mused. Why not indeed? I phoned him, and he sent me a draft paper he had written on the subject: “Harnessing Stigma or Stigmatizing Stigma? The Case of Obesity.’’

          Callahan makes a persuasive case: 67 percent of Americans are overweight, he writes. “Obesity is a leading cause of diabetes, heart disease, and kidney failure. There are some prima facie reasons for thinking about stigmatization as one more arrow in the quiver of possible solutions.

          “It can hardly be said that obesity is beyond individual control,’’ he continues. “So, why not stigmatize [the obese], bringing social pressure to bear?’’

          What could be more logical? No category of US citizens, with the possible exception of prisoners, has been subjected to more government-sponsored economic and social harassment than cigarette smokers. Last month every newspaper and TV station in the country gleefully reported the latest taxpayer-funded attack on smokers: graphic new cigarette warning labels, depicting coffin-nail addicts as losers with rotten teeth and, of course, dead.

          Taxed up the wazoo, forced to pay hundreds of extra dollars for health insurance, tossed out in the rain and snow to sneak a few puffs of the dreaded cancer sticks – smokers are the deadbeat dads of the public health landscape. Here in Boston, there is a move afoot to ban smokers from public housing. In New York, Mayor Michael Bloomberg is ticketing cigarette smokers in public parks.

          The effort of smokers to invoke their civil rights gained no traction,’’ Callahan writes, “and the public health community made no moves to come to their aid.’’

          “I was looking forward to chatting with Callahan, because he sounded like a public health writer unfettered by modish jargon and the strictures of political correctness. He agreed to speak with me by phone from his vacation aerie on Little Cranberry Island, Maine.

          Practically the first words out of his mouth were: “I am switching sides.
          I don’t want to lead a crusade for stigmatizing men and women who have trouble controlling their weight. It would be enormously hurtful for a lot of people.’’

          http://www.boston.com/lifestyle/articles/2011/07/15/whats_wrong_with_subjecting_obese_americans_to_the_same_stigmatization_that_smokers_are/

        • harleyrider1978 says:

          It cant last forever folks! Its hitting the level where people are sick of it all.

        • Rose says:

          http://todayhealth.today.com/_news/2013/01/24/16664866-fat-shaming-may-curb-obesity-bioethicist-says

          ““The force of being shamed and beat upon socially was as persuasive for me to stop smoking as the threats to my health,” he wrote. “The campaign to stigmatize smoking was a great success turning what had been considered simply a bad habit into reprehensible behavior.”

          307 comments at the moment, the bullies are going for the overweight and the overweight are trying to defend themselves but no one seems to have grasped that this is same treatment that they were happy to go along with when it was happening to someone else.
          Now they know how it feels.

      • beobrigitte says:

        Sometimes I do think that the ‘axis of evil’ is not what we are being told it is…. It is scary!

        This:
        “The force of being shamed and beat upon socially was as persuasive for me to stop smoking as the threats to my health,” he wrote. “The campaign to stigmatize smoking was a great success turning what had been considered simply a bad habit into reprehensible behavior.”
        just fits.

        If one has the need to STIGMATIZE ANYBODY it shows: INTOLERANCE, INABILITY and downright DISRESPECT for society. (It also shows extreme lack of empathy and maturity.)
        It may sound a little harsh when I say that if this society is “our friend”, the last thing we need, is enemies… Perhaps somewhere there are rule obsessed people laughing at us, biding their time. No need to act, this western society is being fragmented and they will kill each other with their health obsession.

        What are we doing, sending the army to other countries if we can’t respect basic HUMAN RIGHTS AND DIGNITY at home?

        Harley: Please note: we reserve the right to make amendments and edits to any opinions.
        In other words what we don’t like we omit or twist until it fits with what we dictate.

  5. Lickyalips says:

    This is reminiscent of the Kommissars who sat on editors’ shoulders during the Soviet era .

  6. harleyrider1978 says:

    GEN | News Highlights:Novartis Ends Nicotine Addiction Vaccine Project
    http://www.genengnews.com
    Novartis is discontinuing the NIC002 project, which focused on a therapeutic vaccine candidate for t…

    Interesting news on both the smoke Nazi front…
    Andrew Phillips 5:31am Jan 24
    Interesting news on both the smoke Nazi front and vaccine front in this article.

    http://www.genengnews.com/gen-news-highlights/novartis-ends-nicotine-addiction-vaccine-project/81247897/

  7. harleyrider1978 says:

    Tobacco march against EU smoking rule

    Thousands of tobacconists from across Europe have marched on European Union headquarters to protest against a planned EU crackdown on smoking, similar to measures already in place in Australia.

    Police say more than 2, 000 marchers from Austria, Germany, Poland, France and Italy protested against measures they say harm small retailers, and encourage cigarette smuggling.

    In December, the European Commission released new proposals including a ban on menthol cigarettes, and large health warnings covering 75 per cent of packets.

    Packs of fewer than 20 cigarettes and slims would also be banned, while electronic cigarettes, which contain some nicotine, would only be authorised as medicinal products.

    However, the new rules must be approved by member states as well as the European Parliament, meaning legislation would come into effect in a minimum of three years.

    The head of Austria’s VCPO tobacconists Klaus W Fisher says smoking is part of the culture of Europe, and if adopted the measures will end up like prohibition in the US in the 1920s.

    http://www.skynews.com.au/topstories/article.aspx?id=838234

  8. harleyrider1978 says:

    Nanny’s drinking problem
    Christian Kerr wonders about the Australian public health lobby.

    In May 2011 the Cancer Council released a position statement that warned “any level of alcohol consumption increases the risk of developing an alcohol-related cancer.” Last March chief executive Ian Olver baldly stated “the risks from alcohol start from zero consumption upwards”. Just days ago the council, Diabetes Australia and the Heart Foundation launched an advertising campaign pushing for a tax on soft drinks and advertising restrictions.

    “They’re deliberately replicating the tobacco campaign,” one source says. “Their latest target is alcohol, with their secondary target obesity. They’re trying to do so in a way to keep the alcohol industry out of the debate by trying to say anything that the alcohol industry touches is corrupt.”

    http://offsettingbehaviour.blogspot.ca/2013/01/nannys-drinking-problem.html

  9. harleyrider1978 says:

    WTF did Cameron get his fish and chips burned at the local!

    Cameron: I don’t want a country called Europe
    Britain’s Cameron slams efforts to forge a country called Europe
    DAVOS, Switzerland (AP) — British Prime Minister David Cameron wants nothing to do with a United States of Europe, an idea that’s gaining currency as the countries that use the euro struggle to fix their debt crisis.

    A day after he shook up Europe’s political landscape by offering citizens the prospect of a vote on whether to stay in the 27-country European Union, Cameron insisted Thursday he wants Britain to remain an integral part of the bloc but that more unification would not be the answer.

    “To try and shoehorn countries into a centralized political union would be a great mistake and Britain would not be a part of it,” he said in a speech at the World Economic Forum in the Swiss resort of Davos.

    Over the past few months, many in the EU, particularly among the 17 countries that use the euro, are on a drive for closer unification, and that’s raised particular concerns in Britain, which has often viewed the bloc through a business prism.

    “If you mean that Europe has to be a political union, a country called Europe, then I disagree,” said Cameron, who insisted he is arguing for a more flexible EU — not to walk out on it. On Wednesday, Cameron put an end to months of speculation by revealing he intends to hold a referendum on Britain’s membership of the EU if he wins the next general election, expected in 2015.

    But many politicians in Europe think closer political ties are exactly what is needed to maintain continental unity in the face of a debt crisis that’s laid bare fundamental flaws in the euro. The European Union, which last year won the Nobel Peace Prize, effectively started amid the rubble of World War II — the motivation to avoid future wars.

    Some even think Europe’s end-game has to be to resemble the United States of America. Countries would be so tied together in their economic and social fabric to make war inconceivable.

    A number of European leaders have accused Cameron of putting the bloc at risk to deal with domestic political problems. His Conservative Party has a hardcore element that is highly skeptical of the EU, while an anti-EU party, the UK Independence Party, is gaining ground in the polls most notably at the expense of Cameron’s Conservatives.

    Italian Premier Mario Monti said Britain should set aside ideology and look at its membership in the EU with “pragmatism, which should be a British attitude of mind.”

    He argued that Britons, for all their hostility to EU regulations and bureaucracy, benefit so much from the single market that they would be scared to leave — a ready access to markets and over half a billion people would be a gamble too far.

    Most of British business appears to want to stay in the EU but out of the integrationist drive — the question is whether that can be achieved.

    “The vast majority of businesses across the UK want to stay in the single market, but on the basis of a revised relationship ….. that promotes trade and competitiveness,” said John Langworth of the British Chambers of Commerce.

    He was among 55 British business leaders who issued a public letter to the Times of London on Thursday complaining about demands from Brussels and calling for a “a more competitive, flexible and prosperous European Union that would bring more jobs and growth for all member states.”

    Growth is certainly something that Europe is craving. The eurozone as a whole is in recession and figures Friday are expected to show the British Economy, the EU’s third-largest, half way back to its third recession in four years — a recession is commonly defined as two successive quarters of negative economic growth.

    The leaders of Italy, Ireland, the Netherlands and Denmark — also in Davos for the gathering of political and business elites — stressed the importance of Britain’s place in the EU.

    But Danish Prime Minister Helle Thorning-Schmidt acknowledged Cameron’s budget concerns.

    “Every morning we need to get up in the morning and ask, are we spending public money in the right way,” she said. “If we are doing it at the member state level we should be doing it at the European level as well.”

    Britain’s relations with Europe have been strained since the end of World War II. It did not join the European Steel and Coal Community, the forebear of what would later become the European Union, in 1951.

    Britain later realized there were benefits accruing from joining up with some of its wartime friends and foes, and joined the evolving European bloc. It has stood against many efforts to forge closer ties, notably the creation of the euro, but has been at the forefront of the drive to create a single market.

    http://news.yahoo.com/cameron-dont-want-country-called-111020459.html

  10. harleyrider1978 says:

    LMAO UKIP is making them move on it boyz!!!!!! That means the smoking ban is probably getting a talking about in the halls of Parliament.

    His Conservative Party has a hardcore element that is highly skeptical of the EU, while an anti-EU party, the UK Independence Party, is gaining ground in the polls most notably at the expense of Cameron’s Conservatives.

  11. harleyrider1978 says:

    A coalition government with UKIP!!!! I smell it

  12. harleyrider1978 says:

    This junk science just takes your breath away | Christopher Snowdon
    http://www.spiked-online.com
    The claim that the smoking ban has reduced asthma rates is a case study in using ‘research’ to justify coercive policy.

    http://www.spiked-online.com/site/article/13290/

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