The Indifferent Antismokers

Several other people have covered this one already.

Anti-smoking campaigns and laws have turned smokers into a despised underclass, a study by a Department of Health adviser warned yesterday.

It said smokers have come to be seen as disgusting and dirty and are increasingly becoming regarded as outcasts.

The vilification is also stoking up prejudice against the poor because those who are already on low incomes or at a disadvantage are most likely to be smokers, the report by Professor Hilary Graham found.

Smokers are like ‘migrant and indigenous groups’ in past centuries who were seen as contaminating the rest of society and threatening the way of life of normal, healthy people, Professor Graham, of York University, added.

The idea of smokers as “contaminating society” is a thoroughly Nazi way of considering them. And it is, in fact, probably how Professor Hilary Graham would like people to regard smokers.

But, in my experience, most people don’t regard them that way. In the 5 years since the smoking ban was introduced, nobody has ever suggested that I am dirty or disgusting, and contaminating society. I’ve stood or sat smoking outside pubs all over southern England, and nobody has ever told me to put it out, or move along, or go away. Never. Nor have I seen anyone tell any other smoker to do so. Nor have I seen anyone theatrically wave their hands at the sight of smokers.

Smoking remains as normal as it ever was. The smokers have just gone outside, or gone home. The likes of Prof Graham would probably be delighted if smokers really were despised and publicly reviled. That’s the aim of ‘denormalisation’, after all. Antismoking zealots want to see citizens snatch cigarettes from smokers’ mouths, and hurl abuse at them. Prof Graham wouldn’t dare do it herself, of course, but she’d like to get other people to do it for her.

The truth is that the British people are far more decent than the antismoking zealots give them credit for. And the same is no doubt true more or less everywhere else. Most ordinary people don’t hate tobacco smoke, and they don’t hate smokers.

Apart from one or two zealots I’ve known, most of the “antismokers” I know (or knew) aren’t and weren’t zealots at all. Some of them disallowed smoking in their own homes, but I don’t recall any of them saying that smoking should be banned in all pubs too. They either didn’t go to pubs because they were “too smoky”, or they carried on going to them anyway like they always had. It was only when smoking was banned that they announced their approval. And even then, their approval was lukewarm. Most of them hardly noticed the ban. It was a non-event in their lives, because it didn’t affect them. If you asked any of them what happened on 1 July 2007, most likely none of them would remember. Only smokers noticed that day.

If I have any gripe with any of these erstwhile friends of mine, it’s not that any of them were zealots – none of them were, not even the very old friend who turned out to be working full time in a university on smoking cessation research -, but that, when the draconian smoking ban drove their smoking friends out of pubs and cafes, they failed to see the sheer hate-filled Nazism of it, and they did not protest against it, nor stand in solidarity with their excluded smoking friends. Or most of them didn’t. There were a number of exceptions where ex-smokers and never-smokers came out to stand with the smokers outside. But most were indifferent to the ban because it had no effect on them. And they were largely indifferent to its effect on smokers too. In fact, they were so indifferent to the ban that, even when I expressed my loathing of it to them, they couldn’t comprehend what I was saying. It didn’t matter to them, so why should it matter to me? The only people who weren’t indifferent were the real zealots, and angry smokers like me.

There never was any public call for a smoking ban. Nobody really wanted one, not even the indifferent, run-of-the-mill antismokers I knew, whose antismoking was only skin deep anyway.

The antismoking crusade isn’t a popular campaign. It’s an attempt at top-down social engineering by an elite minority of antismoking zealots. These people somehow always seem to be found in government or universities, and nowhere else. Like shit, they have floated to the top. And like shit, it might be added, they will one day be flushed away.

I’m not even sure whether even the government really wants a smoking ban either. If David Cameron and Nick Clegg ever wanted a ban, they don’t seem to have ever come out and made enthusiastic speeches in favour of bans, restrictions, plain packaging, and so on. They were (and maybe still are) both smokers. David Cameron never talks about it. And Nick Clegg has simply said that it’s about as likely that the smoking ban will be relaxed as capital punishment will be re-introduced. It’s largely left to the professional antismokers – the Arnotts of the world – to speak up for the bans on TV and radio.

It’s really as if smoking bans were as much imposed upon Cameron and Clegg as they were imposed on the rest of us. And most likely they were indeed imposed on them – by the EU and the WHO and other similar Nazi organisations. After all, we live in a time when the EU has installed “technocratic” governments in Greece and Italy over the heads of the Greek and Italian people. Cameron and Clegg are most likely obeying orders, and if they don’t obey those orders, someone else will replace them, just like in Italy and Greece. In the EU power game, smokers had to be sacrificed. “OK, we’ll ban smoking if you let us keep the pound.”

And smoking bans have little or no effect on reducing smoking prevalence anyway. Here’s Italy, where a smoking ban was introduced in 2005:

the Italian smoking ban had no lasting effect on smoking prevalence and quit rates. The researchers found that there was a brief decline in the number of smokers when the ban came in, but that the smoking rate returned to pre-ban levels shortly afterwards.

 And here’s Northern Ireland:

Smoking prevalence among adults has remained around 24% since 2007 and for manual workers that rate is 31%.

So what’s the point of these bans, apart from being exercises of arbitrary and undemocratic power?

 

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29 Responses to The Indifferent Antismokers

  1. lysistratatheoriginal says:

    Spot on again, Frank.
    There is a pot of money available, and boxes to tick to access that money, within the UK NHS called ‘Reducing Health Inequalities’ or something like that. I suspect that’s what this latest report is all about. It’s a multi-million pound industry now is this anti-smoking lark.
    The people who are still smoking, like you and me, are called the ‘Refuse-to-Quits’ by those in charge.
    But the ordinary millions in the UK and my village in Yorkshire have never given me any problems, ever. If anything, they are sympathetic, and tend to wander outside the pub for a chat with me and the other smokers because we’re more interesting.
    And I can report from Greece that the ashtrays are now out again on all the tables, and I continue to smoke my Karelia Blue, and no-one here gives a shit about the smoking ban. We have other things to worry about.

  2. jaxthefirst says:

    I see this as yet another last-ditch attempt, but coming from a slightly more conciliatory-sounding, direction (I don’t think it is particularly conciliatory, incidentally – I just think it’s intended to sound like it), to breathe some life into a fast-fading anti-smoking movement with which the vast majority of the public have become either plain bored or actively disenchanted, because alongside that public boredom or disenchantment comes the very real threat of a massive loss in funding, as the Government shifts its economic support to newer, more currently-fashionable prejudices – like obesity or alcohol. Like you, Frank, I’ve never actually come across anyone as rude or obnoxious as some of the commenters who pen hate-filled barbs in the comments sections of newspapers from the safe anonymity of their living rooms, and I often think that they are the kind of people who’ll never admit in public that they are anti-smokers – a bit like those types of racist who’ll always make exceptions in their vile opinions for the black or Asian or Chinese people that they personally know so that they don’t ever have to have the courage of their unpleasant convinctions in front of everyone else and, of course, because having one or two black or Asian or Chinese (claimed) friends “means I can’t be a racist, innit?”

    I always said that the worst thing to happen to the anti-smoking movement would be the smoking ban, regardless of the increasingly-desperate-sounding crowing from the anti camp, because no amount of fibs, spin or soundbites can ever effectively blind people to something which has had a very visible and real effect on their own lives. Even non-smokers cannot help but notice when smokers get up to leave the room for a cigarette, or stop joining in social gatherings altogether, or when their pubs or clubs close their doors, and every proudly-trumpeted comment about the ban’s “success” is undone the moment a non-smoker walks past their closed-up local, or finds a conversation that they were enjoying has suddenly moved outside as if it had a life of its own, or discovers that their regular group of friends has diminished from, say, five or six people to only one or two – or none.

    So I see this article as a rather sad little attempt to convince people that it’s “all OK to still be an anti-smoker, because lots of other people still are,” in the hope of re-igniting a fire which, if it didn’t go out pretty much to the day on 1 July 2007, certainly faded to little more than just a pile of embers pretty soon afterwards.

  3. waltc says:

    Unfortunately, America (well, the Puritans started it, didn’t they?, coming all the way over here to do their thing) seems to be loaded with in-your-face ants. or at least NYC which used to be a kind of edgy place but is now the home of ardent TC and PC. I’ve had the hand waves at bus stops on traffic-clogged avenues. Light up on an outdoor bench, and people on the benches on either side will suddenly pop up like toast from a toaster. I’ve had strangers, mostly old ladies, approach with a kindly and well meant lecture on how I’m harming my health, others of all ages just wag a finger at me on the street and mutter, “smoking, tsk, tsk” and still others tell me with foaming digust that I’m fouling their air. Not too long ago, a ludicrous teenage harridan, full of righteous and somewhat acned fury, approached me as I was smoking in front of a supermarket, to inform me that I was villainously inconsiderate and was harming everyone who entered the store. I will spare you my replies to these various assays but I don’t suffer any of these fools very kindly,

    • ptbarnumthe2nd says:

      I’ve encountered, more times than I can count, the oh-so-English equivalent in London and parts of the South East of England – furrowed brows, scowling, throat clearing, hand waving, conspicuous and graceless relocation of the complainant, tut-tutting. All very ‘passive aggressive’, nothing directly confrontational, all designed to tell me I am not welcome. Everywhere else on this island I’ve been since 2007 this has never happened, but with every trip to London it seems to happen more and more. Acting blithely oblivious (as I do) doesn’t seem to help, for some reason. Can’t think why…

  4. smokervoter says:

    Andrew Breitbart has passed.

    This from James Delingpole’s obit column:

    “Breitbart did enjoy a voraciously Type A lifestyle – smoking, drinking and burger-scoffing like there was no tomorrow.”

    And this:

    “Like PJ O’Rourke, Breitbart was one of those rare types who manages to make conservatism look both fun and cool.”

    That’s me folks. Loved Breitbart and especially the way he exposed the Left for the wet blanket (unfun and uncool) brigade they really are. He looked behind the smiley-faced ‘Have a Nice Day’ marionettes and found grouchy, spiteful puppeteers working the strings.

    From what I understand he started life out as a lefty. Same here.

    When I first went away for higher education, not long after the Summer of Love, I was thrilled to be enrolled at a liberal Santa Cruz, CA junior college. It was when I needed to rent a place closer to campus and was scanning all of the hand-written bulletin board posts under “Housing For Rent” that I got my first faint whiff of Liberal Fascism.

    Non-Smokers Only. Vegetarian Household – No Meat. Hatha Yoga Practitioner Preferred. No Men. Feminist attitudes welcome. No Boozers need respond.

    It took five long years for it all to sink in. Jimmy Carter was the last Democrat I ever voted for. I got a new set of right-wing, good-time friends. All the while the hippies were starting to throw nouveau Puritan, non-alcoholic, sober parties featuring unspiced humus dips.

    They say Breitbart died of a heart condition. The Left is probably licking their contemptuous chops, hoping smoking had something to do with it. I so hope not.

    Truth be told, I never knew he smoked. Good on him.

    • Starting to wonder if somebody isnt killing them off now, first it was Christopher Hitchens (1949-2011),then Breitbart,Etta James, Amy Winehouse who wouldnt be told to quit anywhere besides they got her father to become a NAZI too!

  5. Frank Davis says:

    Interesting responses. Seems like the big towns become antismoking, and the country doesn’t. I haven’t been to London for a decade or more, and last time I visited (before the ban obviously) it didn’t seem like the London I used to know. It had lots of pedestrian areas where there never used to be any, and twee organic shops.

    It (antismoking) could be a response to pollution. Historically, big towns have always been dirty places. Not for nothing that London is still called The Smoke. So there’s always an effort being made to clean things up. Out in the country, the air is cleaner.

    But cities are often also left wing, and the country right wing. Seems to be a universal truth everywhere.

    Most of my antismoking ex-friends were city people.

  6. prog says:

    ‘ The likes of Prof Graham would probably be delighted if smokers really were despised and publicly reviled’.

    Yes, a wolf in sheeps’s clothing, part of the ‘good cop, bad cop’ approach. She is definitely not interested in protecting what remains of smokers rights – her paper was part of a deliberate TC strategy to reinforce the hate campaign. Basically, she is saying that if you smoke the non smoking public regard you as lowlife scum (aka Shameless characters). It’s up to you if you want to avoid being stigmatised.

  7. Antismoking zealots want to see citizens snatch cigarettes from smokers’ mouths, and hurl abuse at them. Prof Graham wouldn’t dare do it herself, of course, but she’d like to get other people to do it for her.

    One particularly vile individual, Karl Astel — upstanding president of Jena University, poisonous anti-Semite, euthanasia fanatic, SS officer, war criminal and tobacco-free Germany enthusiast — liked to walk up to smokers and tear cigarettes from their unsuspecting mouths. (He committed suicide when the war ended, more through disappointment than fear of hanging.) It comes as little surprise to discover that the phrase “passive smoking” (Passivrauchen) was coined not by contemporary American admen, but by Fritz Lickint,

    http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id1.html

    • Frank Davis says:

      I was reminded of this a few years back when That’s Life presenter Esther Rantzen said that she wanted to snatch cigarettes from people’s mouths. I think it was on Question Time that she said that.

      Ever since then I’ve thought of her as being a fucking Nazi.

      • Frank again an excellent comparison and writing,thanks.

      • Rose says:

        Awful woman.
        I have never forgiven her for the damage she did to ordinary families. Men were suddenly afraid to bathe their own babies, people scared to hug a child who had fallen in the playground in case their action might be misconstrued.
        The natural human instinct to help a child in trouble has had to be suppressed for fear of what others might think.She brought horrors into the living room that most people had never been aware of and made it look like they were commonplace, I don’t think that society has ever quite recovered.

        I launched Childline to protect the most vulnerable – but unleashed a politically correct monster
        “The irony is that, to an extent, I blame myself for this rubbish. By revealing the extent of child abuse in the BBC TV programme Childwatch in the Eighties, I was part of the revolution in child protection which created these insidious jobsworths.”
        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1033483/I-launched-Childline-protect-vulnerable–unleashed-politically-correct-monster.html

        Not just jobsworths, madam.

        • Frank Davis says:

          Judging by that article, she might be having second thoughts:

          “But I had no idea the result would be senseless over-protection which pretends to see danger where there is none.”

          The smoking ban is a piece of senseless over-protection. I wonder if she can see that? Probably not….

      • Rose the lady who started MADD said the same thing on FOX NEWS awhile back,they took it over and made a monster out of it……..Madd is now a part of the RWJF anthrology of housed in groups for its anti-alcohol movement:

        Robert Wood Johnson Foundation: Financier of Temperance
        by David J. Hanson, Ph.D.

        •Ralph Hingson, formerly Vice President for Public Policy at Mothers Against Drunk Driving (MADD), who published a deeply flawed report claiming that alcohol causes 1,400 deaths among college students each year. These findings were repudiated by the federal government’s General Accountability Office or GAO. Hingson received a $300,000 fellowship from RWJF.

        http://alcoholfacts.org/RWJfoundation.html

  8. Weve got one hell of storm cell overhead right now and hale falling on the house! Hope no tornado gets me!

  9. smokingscot says:

    You may recall the hype prior to the vote to ban euthenasia in Switzerland last year. They were told there was overwhelming support to stop “suicide tourists” and it was making a laughing stock of the Swiss people and dragging down their reputation etc..

    They had a virtual monopoly of the press and many in the medical profession backed the pro-lifers.

    Then the people voted.

    Swiss Vote to retain voluntary euthanasia
    85% opposed the motion to ban it for Swiss citizens
    78% opposed the motion to ban it for foreigners

    Consider this. If there was a referendum in the UK on smoking asking:

    allow 3 sided shelters
    exempt tobacconists
    exempt the self employed
    exempt private members clubs
    allow smoking rooms as per the Netherlands

  10. Im right on interstate 65 and the tennesse kentucky line………….that one cell is headed str8 for us,YIKES!

  11. Theres 6 confirmed tornadoes right now within 50 miles of us!

  12. Looks like we are in the clear now…….but mano nashville and east of there caught the brunt of it.

  13. Next weeks all clear! But hey its just the beginning of the tornado dance season!

    5 weeks ago I drove right up into a tornado that had just hit on hiway 100 by me,I even took some video footage and uploaded…….

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